HansLanda Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I know he is a free agent, but WTH? Seemingly he had a plug-and-play resume and did well as a rook. I know schemes/staffs change, but he was a third round pick. I would say 2-4th rounds are generally the "safe zones" for OL. Early in his career A Lynn was wanting to get him to the PRO BOWL (!) Just saying: as a team bereft in OL talent, what on earth happened to this guy? He may get a small deal somewhere - maybe LA - but clearly peaked early? Maybe was beneficiary of Woodcognito? Seemed like he was down hill since this story... https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/watch-story-bills-ol-john-miller-a-pro-bowl-snub-maybe-20161223 "When asked who else he would send to the Pro Bowl from his unit, Lynn didn’t hesitate in naming Miller that man.“I’d send Johnny Miller. In a heartbeat,” Lynn said." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Lol...Anthony Lynn. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, HansLanda said: I know he is a free agent, but WTH? Seemingly he had a plug-and-play resume and did well as a rook. I know schemes/staffs change, but he was a third round pick. I would say 2-4th rounds are generally the "safe zones" for OL. Early in his career A Lynn was wanting to get him to the PRO BOWL (!) Just saying: as a team bereft in OL talent, what on earth happened to this guy? He may get a small deal somewhere - maybe LA - but clearly peaked early? Maybe was beneficiary of Woodcognito? Seemed like he was down hill since this story... https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/watch-story-bills-ol-john-miller-a-pro-bowl-snub-maybe-20161223 "When asked who else he would send to the Pro Bowl from his unit, Lynn didn’t hesitate in naming Miller that man.“I’d send Johnny Miller. In a heartbeat,” Lynn said." So Miller to Chargers? They could use a guard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Changes of schemes and he just never seemed (to me) to have the drive and work ethic to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 wouldn't be surprised to see him land with the Chargers (A Lynn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He sucks. Let him walk 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He's just terrible. I thought he was overdrafted. He had some flashes at times. I think in the right system he could be ok, but yeah I never want to watch him play again. Jordan Mills too. Good riddance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: He sucks. Let him walk I know - but seemed like a promising longterm guard...and either didn't adapt to new schemes and/or staff? Just seems like a complete waste yet someone that had NFL starting talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He got man-handled and overwhelmed too often. Wanted to like him, but he's just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 What happened? Another Whaley gem. 3 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, HansLanda said: I know he is a free agent, but WTH? Seemingly he had a plug-and-play resume and did well as a rook. I know schemes/staffs change, but he was a third round pick. I would say 2-4th rounds are generally the "safe zones" for OL. Early in his career A Lynn was wanting to get him to the PRO BOWL (!) Just saying: as a team bereft in OL talent, what on earth happened to this guy? He may get a small deal somewhere - maybe LA - but clearly peaked early? Maybe was beneficiary of Woodcognito? Seemed like he was down hill since this story... https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/watch-story-bills-ol-john-miller-a-pro-bowl-snub-maybe-20161223 "When asked who else he would send to the Pro Bowl from his unit, Lynn didn’t hesitate in naming Miller that man.“I’d send Johnny Miller. In a heartbeat,” Lynn said." He's good enough to play in the league as a fringe starter or backup. I see him as the Russell Bodine of the guard position. He can come in and give you decent guard play but unlike Tony Lynn I don't see him as a Pro Bowl players. He will get signed over the next few weeks when these types of players usually do 1 minute ago, Rico said: What happened? Another Whaley gem. His drafts look worse and worse as the years go by. I actually thought Miller was going to be good but he nosedived. Not a good pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Multiple plays per game in 2018, Miller would mysteriously pull out of his block and crash headlong into a teammate. Almost got me banned from TSW. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So Miller to Chargers? They could use a guard. He's a weeble wobble who's allergic to weight/exercise rooms. Edited March 13, 2019 by Misterbluesky 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Lol...Anthony Lynn. What is LOL? He should have been coach of the year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think Roman's blocking schemes made a lot of the Bills OL look good. Groy, Kouandjio, Miller, Mills all looked very good those two season and subsequently looked like crap. Not a coincidence, IMO. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, vincec said: I think Roman's blocking schemes made a lot of the Bills OL look good. Groy, Kouandjio, Miller, Mills all looked very good those two season and subsequently looked like crap. Not a coincidence, IMO. More like Juan Castillo's blocking schemes make every OL he's ever coached look like crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, vincec said: I think Roman's blocking schemes made a lot of the Bills OL look good. Groy, Kouandjio, Miller, Mills all looked very good those two season and subsequently looked like crap. Not a coincidence, IMO. This could be true - but the guys closest to the ball on OL/DL should be able to perform in most any scheme - zero tech NG not withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, HansLanda said: What is LOL? He should have been coach of the year. For his choke job in week 16 against the Ravens (at home) to lock up the top seed in the AFCE...or the humiliating dismantling by the patriots in the playoffs? Lynn is just another in a long line of Chargers HCs that win a lot of games, but not the ones that count. You would pick him over Reich? Payton? Nagy? Even Pete Carrol or McVay? No you wouldn't, because that would be silly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 You would pick him over Reich? Payton? Nagy? Even Pete Carrol or McVay? No you wouldn't, because that would be silly. Yes, no, maybe, yes, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He’s still unsigned, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, HansLanda said: You would pick him over Reich? Payton? Nagy? Even Pete Carrol or McVay? No you wouldn't, because that would be silly. Yes, no, maybe, yes, no. So you don't actually think he should have been COTA after all. The fact that Lynn would send Miller to the Pro Bowl should otherwise convince you that A Lynn isn't special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He was the Bills 2nd highest rated lineman behind Dawkins last year on pff and their best guard by a longshot, sad as that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Turk71 said: He was the Bills 2nd highest rated lineman behind Dawkins last year on pff and their best guard by a longshot, sad as that may be. Depending on how Teller handles the competition in camp, Dawkins may be the only OL starter from 2018 to start on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, MJS said: Changes of schemes and he just never seemed (to me) to have the drive and work ethic to be good. He was given enough playing time where he can't say he wasn't given a fair shot. Dude just regressed badly under the nee regime and never really caught back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Depending on how Teller handles the competition in camp, Dawkins may be the only OL starter from 2018 to start on opening day. Dawk and Shady will be the only offensive starters from opening day 2018 to be starting next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Depending on how Teller handles the competition in camp, Dawkins may be the only OL starter from 2018 to start on opening day. I still think Teller can develop into a solid starter, he was only a rookie on a poorly coached line without any great mentors. I don't know if that is this year but I fully expect him to be on the roster. Ducasse should be gone I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Dawk and Shady will be the only offensive starters from opening day 2018 to be starting next year. Eh, I assume Zay will still be a starter as well, but certainly we'll see how the competition shakes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, MJS said: Eh, I assume Zay will still be a starter as well, but certainly we'll see how the competition shakes out. Zay is most likley not going to get out of training camp if he makes it that far. My hunch is he is traded for a 2020 6th round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I would be happy to have Miller back. He is better than anyone on the roster now including Long and Feliciano. Beane overspent on both so I doubt they bring back Miller. I expect they will add another C/G in round 4 or 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I would be happy to have Miller back. He is better than anyone on the roster now including Long and Feliciano. Beane overspent on both so I doubt they bring back Miller. I expect they will add another C/G in round 4 or 5 My guess is that you haven’t watched much game film last 2 years? I was one of the many who couldn’t understand how Vlad was ahead of Miller in preseason, and then I focused on Miller on replays, and didn’t question the decision anymore. Miller has been awful in the last two seasons 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, GG said: My guess is that you haven’t watched much game film last 2 years? I was one of the many who couldn’t understand how Vlad was ahead of Miller in preseason, and then I focused on Miller on replays, and didn’t question the decision anymore. Miller has been awful in the last two seasons I watched plenty. None of them are even average but Miller was the best last year. Teller was the worst but he needed to play after they were eliminated. Miller didnt even dress for most games in 2017 so obviously you didnt watch much game film. Castillo chose Ducasse over Miller, but Miller was a better player than Ducasse in 2018. Not by much but still better. I will be honest I didnt watch Spencer Long with the Jets but everything Iread said he was garabge as a center and only marginally better as a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Rico said: Another Whaley gem. Bodine and Newhouse........also gems.......frickin' Whaley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If Miller was so good why did the team put Sirles in the line up trying to get a live body on the field? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 They don’t all work out, but Miller gave me hope early. It hurts a little more when you have hope.....then lose it. Maybe we can recover that positive outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Zay is most likley not going to get out of training camp if he makes it that far. My hunch is he is traded for a 2020 6th round pick Sure, but that's not based on anything real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: Changes of schemes and he just never seemed (to me) to have the drive and work ethic to be good. well....a) he was stricken with some bad stuff in his personal life b) he then switched schemes under juan and...c) he was stuck next to mills i feel bad for him. he was a 3rd rd. pick that spent his college career at lg. i thought he could turn into a reuben brown there but never got the chance i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: well....a) he was stricken with some bad stuff in his personal life b) he then switched schemes under juan and...c) he was stuck next to mills i feel bad for him. he was a 3rd rd. pick that spent his college career at lg. i thought he could turn into a reuben brown there but never got the chance i guess. He got tons of chances to start. Whatever the reasons are, he didn't capitalize on them. It's on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: He sucks. Let him walk Miller & Duc were our 2 worst OL guys and it wasn't close. Won't miss JM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I would be happy to have Miller back. He is better than anyone on the roster now including Long and Feliciano. Beane overspent on both so I doubt they bring back Miller. I expect they will add another C/G in round 4 or 5 To give you an idea of how wrong you are about Miller he gave up 33 QB pressures last year vs Wyatt Teller who only allowed 8 pressures in 8 games. Buffalo graded as one of the worst run blocking units in the NFL in 2018 (30th)and run blocking is Miller's strong suit and yet he graded at (54.2). His real issue is he is slow to come out of his stance and can get manhandled. If the guy was worth a damn he would have been resigned by the Bills, simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Dawk and Shady will be the only offensive starters from opening day 2018 to be starting next year. ....anywhere in the league. Which is what I was saying at the time when people were calling for Roman's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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