Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: In dont think its about the money so much as he could have put up better numbers else where. According to a tweet I just read he was offered more by the Browns. Yeah, and the Browns were an absolute dumpster fire at that point. They were the 1 exception to the rule. They have had 3 or 4 different GMs since that point and were like 1-31 at one point (or something). For the extra couple million it wasn’t worth it (plus the guaranteed portion from the Bills was massive). This situation worked out perfectly for Clay. I’m sure that he doesn’t regret his decision for 2 seconds. He made $33.5M over 4 years to be a guy. He’s not mad. 11 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Except most NFL players are competitors. It had to be embarrassing and not very pleasant when a team releases you. $33 million or not It’s not. I know a bunch of people that have been through it. It’s business above all else to every single guy that I’ve ever encountered (and I worked in pro sports for a decade). This isn’t high school sports. The goal isn’t championships. That’s the fans goal (not that anyone wants to lose). The goal is to provide for their families (and sometimes generations of family). That comes way before anything else. Edited February 16, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I will say this. While this is a great move...Charles clay has been a good dude here. Was leading receiver a couple times from a reception perspective. Model citizen...so while hes *****...the signing wasnt as bad as some made it our to be. Ps he developed into a good blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, and the Browns were an absolute dumpster fire at that point. They were the 1 exception to the rule. They have had 3 or 4 different GMs since that point and were like 1-31 at one point (or something). For the extra couple million it wasn’t worth it (plus the guaranteed portion from the Bills was massive). This situation worked out perfectly for Clay. I’m sure that he doesn’t regret his decision for 2 seconds. He made $33.5M over 4 years to be a guy. He’s not mad. It was the largest percentage guaranteed of any non QB contract in the league at the point the Bills took up the option before year two to turn unguaranteed salary into guaranteed bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: Roll the dice and give this dog a bone. Hmmmm novel idea....I highly paid often injured Tight End! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) I really do think we are going to trade down with Washington (maybe another team, but I think Was) and grab an extra 2nd. And one of those first 3 picks in rounds 1 and 2 will be one of the Iowa TE's and could be Hockenson at #15. Irv is another guy I think on the radar too, but in the 2nd. So glad this Clay cut is official now. Its possible they could grab someone in FA, but I doubt thats all they do. There are not a lot of exciting options, but a few solid options. I doubt Cook leaves the Raiders, Gruden loves him. One guy I would really like to get though who is not officially available yet is Cameron Brate. They have a lot of needs there, and they already have Howard. He could be a candidate to be cut for cap savings, or obviously a potential trade target. Maybe send Bucs one of our extra day 3 picks for him. He's a pretty good player IMO, and better choice than any of the other TE's. I also wouldnt mind Jesse James or Harris from KC if its a FA signing. Ultimate preference though is one of the Iowa TE's in the first or 2nd round. Bye Clay. Edited February 15, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, and the Browns were an absolute dumpster fire at that point. They were the 1 exception to the rule. They have had 3 or 4 different GMs since that point and were like 1-31 at one point (or something). For the extra couple million it wasn’t worth it (plus the guaranteed portion from the Bills was massive). This situation worked out perfectly for Clay. I’m sure that he doesn’t regret his decision for 2 seconds. He made $33.5M over 4 years to be a guy. He’s not mad. It’s not. I know a bunch of people that have been through it. It’s buskness above all else to every single guy that I’ve ever encountered (and I worked in pro sports for a decade). This isn’t high school sports. The goal isn’t championships. That’s the fans goal (not that anyone wants to lose). The goal is to provide for their families (and sometimes generations of family). That comes way before anything else. We’ll agree to disagree. Always skeptical of anyone on her who says “I know people in the NFL.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Posting gif's doesn't change the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: We’ll agree to disagree. Always skeptical of anyone on her who says “I know people in the NFL.” Kirby's credentials are well understood here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I didn't read the entire thread but it should be remembered that Clay was brought in for a specific reason and offense, the one being designed by Greg Roman, which featured exactly the kind of player Clay was. Injuries hurt Clay, and Roman and his offense didn't ever get off the ground or last all that long. But Clay surely did not do as well as he should have, even playing in other styles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, White Linen said: Posting gif's doesn't change the facts. How about gifs of him dropping passes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Kirby's credentials are well understood here. What are his credentials? You can message me if you’d like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Cutting Trent Murphy saves us $5 million too. Just sayin...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Someone on the Bills Facebook page legitimately wrote “we never should have gotten rid of O’leary.” He was 100% serious and several other knuckleheads agreed. How crazy is that? Edited February 15, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just now, BillyWhiteShows said: Someone on the Bills Facebook page legitimately wrote “we never should have gotten rid of O’leary.” He was 100% serious and several other knuckleheads agreed. How crazy is that? Bills fans- the only people who value Nick O'Leary more than Odell Beckham, Jr. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Someone on the Bills Facebook page legitimately wrote “we never should have gotten rid of O’leary.” He was 100% serious and several other knuckleheads agreed. How crazy is that? Actually I agree, we shouldn't. But not because he could have been a starting tight end. Just because he does at least have a business on an NFL roster... at the back end of it. Logan Thomas on the other hand has no business being on an NFL roster as a tight end (or Quarterback for that matter). Year 3 of the great conversion experiment he still can't even run a route. 31 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Cutting Trent Murphy saves us $5 million too. Just sayin...? That is next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Aahhhhhhhhhh the last of the overpaid whaley stench has been purged. GLORIOUS DAY IS GLORIOUS It seems amazing that the Bills actually tried to operate for several years without wanting so say who was the GM. I am not remembering this correct? Odd.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Adam727 said: As some others have already said the writing was on the wall with this one. I'm still in the minority disappointed by this move though. This was the first year that Clay was going to be worth his contract. Even if 2018 wasn't his best year, it's hard to argue the Bills will be able to find someone better in FA for less than $4.5mil/year. No, 4.5 is what they saved. He had another 4.5 he'd cost if he was on the roster. He was a 9 mil cap hit. Even by your incorrect math, the guy had 21 catches, 184 yards, and no touchdowns. You can find plenty of guys for less than 4.5 million who will out perform that. Edited February 16, 2019 by Ol Dirty B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I didn't read the entire thread but it should be remembered that Clay was brought in for a specific reason and offense, the one being designed by Greg Roman, which featured exactly the kind of player Clay was. Injuries hurt Clay, and Roman and his offense didn't ever get off the ground or last all that long. But Clay surely did not do as well as he should have, even playing in other styles. Style of play, like getting open and catching the ball??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Actually I agree, we shouldn't. But not because he could have been a starting tight end. Just because he does at least have a business on an NFL roster... at the back end of it. Logan Thomas on the other hand has no business being on an NFL roster as a tight end (or Quarterback for that matter). Year 3 of the great conversion experiment he still can't even run a route. That is next. Are you serious! O’Leary has a whopping 8 catches for 86 yards. Logan Thomas actually had more receptions. I would agree that it’s time to turn the page on the Logan Thomas experiment but O’Leary is no great loss for the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The poison pill the bills gave themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Alot of us saw this coming- hit the wall and injuries caught up to him- Best of Luck Charles. A lot of us? Even Stevie Wonder saw this coming.. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, stuvian said: one of our worst ever overpayments Another Whaley gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) He was paid as a top 10 te but at this point is a 2te in an Hback role. Makes sense. There are a fair amount of draftable te this year. I would like buffalo to bring in a vet and use a day 2 pick on one. I wouldn't be against picking one early if Buffalo is able to pick up an extra 2nd. Edited February 16, 2019 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Rico said: Another Whaley gem. True.. not many left now though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Rico said: Another Whaley gem. People here are already saying “It wasn’t Whaley, it was Greg Roman that wanted Clay.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 We are the only team that could release all of our TE's and none of them would be signed in FA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How about gifs of him dropping passes Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: People here are already saying “It wasn’t Whaley, it was Greg Roman that wanted Clay.” Who could possibly imagine that a HC or OC would bring in a new offense and tell the GM what players he wants that are best for his scheme?! And then the GM would get a guy they want! OMG, the outrage!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Are you serious! O’Leary has a whopping 8 catches for 86 yards. Logan Thomas actually had more receptions. I would agree that it’s time to turn the page on the Logan Thomas experiment but O’Leary is no great loss for the team. Not arguing he is a great loss, he is a third string tight end. I am arguing he is better than Logan Thomas and should have been kept over him. Thomas's 12 receptions for 77 yards were take him that 19 and over 100 yards for a career. O'Leary isn't very good but he is better than Thomas could ever be or will ever be. Edited February 16, 2019 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not arguing he is a great loss, he is a third string tight end. I am arguing he is better than Logan Thomas and should have been kept over him. Logan Thomas is a poor man's Jason Croom who is a poor man's JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Logan Thomas is a poor man's Jason Croom who is a poor man's JAG. Yea I think Croom sucks pretty bad too. I'd totally remake the TE room. Sign a Kroft / James level FA, draft a kid and find an UDFA worth taking a punt on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not arguing he is a great loss, he is a third string tight end. I am arguing he is better than Logan Thomas and should have been kept over him. Thomas's 12 receptions for 77 yards were take him that 19 and over 100 yards for a career. O'Leary isn't very good but he is better than Thomas could ever be or will ever be. Seems like a silly argument over two very mediocre players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, White Linen said: Sure Search “Charles Clay drops” on Twitter and go to town. Beware: it’s ugly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 best news all week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Search “Charles Clay drops” on Twitter and go to town. Beware: it’s ugly Only found a couple videos, but this was a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Charles Clay released......................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: A lot of us? Even Stevie Wonder saw this coming.. If I said all of us, someone would of chimed in and said not me, its a bad move lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: I didn't read the entire thread but it should be remembered that Clay was brought in for a specific reason and offense, the one being designed by Greg Roman, which featured exactly the kind of player Clay was. Injuries hurt Clay, and Roman and his offense didn't ever get off the ground or last all that long. But Clay surely did not do as well as he should have, even playing in other styles. He had 2 years in a row with 50 catches and he had 49 in 2017 Its been a long time since a Bills TE did that. With 8 years under his belt and turning 30 he just didn't have any more in those wonky knees. Maybe he can sign with a team that plays on grass and get a year or two more as a blocker/check down type player. Edited February 16, 2019 by JMF2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Only found a couple videos, but this was a laugh It’s funny how many tweets there were about his drops while he was in Miami. Guess it’s no surprise he didn’t improve here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s funny how many tweets there were about his drops while he was in Miami. Guess it’s no surprise he didn’t improve here. I still can't believe his degenerative knee condition didn't heal itself when he moved to Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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