freddyjj Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 here's his combine / draft scouting report from NFL.com OVERVIEW Native Nebraskan. Walked on and redshirted in 2009. Did not see action in '10. Stepped into the lineup in '11, starting all 13 games at right guard. Played through a torn right meniscus in '12, starting all 14 games at RG. In '13, started the first six games at RG before tearing his right MCL against Purdue and undergoing season-ending surgery and did not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine because of it (medical exclusion). Elected not to lift at the combine because of an appendectomy. Team captain. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Very solidly built with a good frame. Good leg drive -- can create a push in the run game and position-sustain. Solid in pass protection -- good anchor, shadow and mirror. Good base and balance -- controls and steers defenders. Flashes some nastiness. Intense, competitive battler. Smart and instinctive. Lunchpail worker will do a lot of extras and is very ambitious and driven to succeed. Excellent weight-room strength -- can squat a small house. Good versatility -- has played inside and outside. Very tough and played much of final two seasons through knee injuries. Possessed the biggest hands of any offensive lineman at the combine. WEAKNESSES Average athlete. Is tight-ankled and heavy-legged -- lumbers to the second level. Struggled with the quickness of Minnesota's Ra'shede Hageman (though he was noticeably playing through a knee injury that required surgery and forced him to miss the rest of the season after leaving the Minnesota game). Labors to cut off the inside rush. Struggles to adjust and pick off linebackers and is not efficient pulling and trapping. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 3-4 BOTTOM LINE Big, tough, physical, ornery blocker with starter-quality positional traits and intangible qualities. Is best in a phone booth, where he excels as a run and pass blocker, and is smart and savvy enough to contribute outside in emergency situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I will take it that you are on the wrong board and nobody cares what you think.....fair enough? You sound really sensitive. You should probably cut it out and stop making yourself look like a fool in front of all your fellow Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Let the meltdown begin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanForever19 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: May or may not have anything to do with Paradis or any other Center. They may have signed him to replace Groy and compete for a G position with versatility to back up at C. I agree 3 years says starter more than backup, but that’s not too surprising since he’s always been a starter. At 3 years up to 15 mil? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: You sound really sensitive. You should probably cut it out and stop making yourself look like a fool in front of all your fellow Bills fans. Do stay.....we always need unwanted posters to throw darts at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: At 3 years up to 15 mil? I don't think so. Have you seen what starting guards make? I’m not sure what you mean.i said he can play G with versatility to backup at C. Edited February 12, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He's the swing IOL who will be offered a chance to compete to start. Not enough money to pencil him in as a starter. He was making 27M on a 4 yr deal with the Jets. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 That's Definately starter money. I'm guessing McBeane figure his fingers/tendons are healed fully and expect him to start. Question is, where? I'd still rather see him at G rather than C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 As always, I will wait to reserve judgment until Spotrac has the breakdown. 4.3 seems like a lot for a guy we're thinking was a depth player, but we'll see how the annuals shake out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: The Bills depth on the offensive line is terrible. As it sits right now, the Bills are starting Russell Bodine, Vlad Ducasse, Jeremiah Sirles, Dawkins, and Teller with Ike Boettgger and Conner McDermott as the primary backups. It is straight up pathetic. My guess is the Bills will try him at Center and if he can't handle it they will use him as a swing Center and Guard backup because they do need some former starting depth as well as starters. I think you are absolutely correct. He will be the 2019 version of Groy as the primary backup for center and guard. The details of the contract will tell us a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, ndirish1978 said: He's the swing IOL who will be offered a chance to compete to start. Not enough money to pencil him in as a starter. He was making 27M on a 4 yr deal with the Jets. He is our new Groy. Solid in a pinch at G or C. My guess is he'll be competing with a rookie C. There are a few good ones coming out that can be had in rounds 2 and 3. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 On a scale of 1-10, how angry should I be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: Who could we have possibly been bidding against? I'm not an NFL insider, but I've yet to hear a positive word about the guy. Were there really other bidders that they needed to give out this kind of deal? Have the dollars come out on how much we paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: He's the swing IOL who will be offered a chance to compete to start. Not enough money to pencil him in as a starter. He was making 27M on a 4 yr deal with the Jets. I see. That gives this signing some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, teef said: On a scale of 1-10, how angry should I be? 10.....it is expected sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: I think you are absolutely correct. He will be the 2019 version of Groy as the primary backup for center and guard. The details of the contract will tell us a lot. I think Groy was supposed to start at G and backup at C but was never able to solidify that so made him the 6th man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: He started all 13 games he played in last year with the Jets. Got hurt and missed the last three. I'd say he's a starter, not a backup. He's not good and the fact that Beane just paid him 3 years/13M is awful. YUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 FYI the Bills would save 2 million by cutting Bodine and another 2 million by cutting Ducasse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: I think you are absolutely correct. He will be the 2019 version of Groy as the primary backup for center and guard. The details of the contract will tell us a lot. There is no reason that Long would not start at G immediately as of now, depending on who else is signed and drafted 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: 10.....it is expected sir 10 it is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Teller was pretty good last year, you can pencil him in at RG at the moment, if I was a betting man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Holy crap! This appears to be an AWFUL signing. What do we need to do, bring in an offensive consultant? Man o man. They gotta do better than this. Sorry I just asked this question and then I saw this......it sounds like swing OL potential OG starter money to me...... Just for reference.....we did NOT have average OG play last year from the RG position. I am thinking we match this with a OL in the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He's not good and the fact that Beane just paid him 3 years/13M is awful. YUCK! Sounds like he was pretty good in Washington actually. Then he had one rough half-season with the Jets before moving back to guard and fairing okay. Played Right Guard in college by the way which suits us perfectly... Edited February 12, 2019 by 2018 Our Year For Sure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Personally I like the signing Remember we have a lot of OL we are losing as free agents.....Miller, Decause, Groy will probably not be back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 19th rated C in 2017 according to PFF, very good pass blocking grade in 17 also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: Personally I like the signing I'm Shocked! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I feel a bit better after taking a panoramic shot of his career. I know he was trash last year when I watched him, but many have pointed to injury being a major factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 well, at least the Jets have NO center. hahaahahah. We have 3, albeit best as backup centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Meh. He's probably the equal of Bodine. He's a bit younger though. He'll replace either Bodine or Groy on the roster. I think the Bills are looking to draft a young center, and Long could start if the youngster needs a little time to acclimate to the NFL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: I feel a bit better after taking a panoramic shot of his career. I know he was trash last year when I watched him, but many have pointed to injury being a major factor. Blocking scheme plays such a huge role too, he was respected in Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, blacklabel said: 44 starts in a 53 game career, only ended up a FA due to coaching changes. This will be the end here for Groy. Long and Bodine compete for the starting center gig. I feel faint at the thought of such quality going at it.. No doubt Josh will feel the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 A solid depth signing I hope they draft one too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Holy crap! This appears to be an AWFUL signing. What do we need to do, bring in an offensive consultant? Man o man. They gotta do better than this. If they are getting the healthy 2017 Spencer Long it's a steal in the current Market... If they get the guy that struggled through injury with the Jets last year it's a bit too much...? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Bodine and Ducasse are decent depth, let's not get too cut crazy. Free Agency doesn't start for another month, I'm sure they'll look at more C/G/RTs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Sounds like he was pretty good in Washington actually. Then he had one rough half-season with the Jets playing a new position. Played Right Guard in college by the way which suits us perfectly... 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: There is no reason that Long would not start at G immediately as of now, depending on who else is signed and drafted Agreed. I would plug him in as the starting right guard right now. Let him play where he is comfortable and where he played in college. Outside of Saffold, Foster, Quinton Spain and maybe AJ Cann, there is not much better on the market at guard. Long is probably similar in value to Cann. Long makes sense because he offers them options and leverage. If they can't sign Morse, then they can chase a guard and leave Long at center. 29 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Yes he is a zone player lol. He was at his best in man schemes under Bill Callahan in Washington. Sure he can play in a zone, but he's no good there. It's why Gase got rid of him and I think Gase is going to go all in on Matt Paradis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Meh. He's probably the equal of Bodine. He's a bit younger though. He'll replace either Bodine or Groy on the roster. I think the Bills are looking to draft a young center, and Long could start if the youngster needs a little time to acclimate to the NFL. Long is 29 and Bodine is 27. What? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Never in my life would I have thought I'd be missing Eric Wood this freaking much! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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