OT Rule needs to change!

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29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

How about switching from a Coin Flip to... Rock, Paper, Scissors?  Now THAT would be cool!

 

Or thumb wrestling

 

 

[4_kidd_4]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hey, 7-on-7, just like the country high schools too small to field a full team.  I like it.

 

Could always go FG competition like a shootout.

 

For real though, I think a timed extra period is the answer and if it’s still locked up after that then you go sudden death.

 

There is no perfect  answer, but the current format is definitely very flawed.

[Mr. WEO]

38 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I have been saying this same argument over 20 years, has nothing to do with yesterdays game.  I’m only citing that game as that’s the one in discussion.  

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Montana, Elway, Kelly, Manning, Warner, Marino, etc almost always had an advantage having the ball first vs most defenses.  It’s a rare defense when those guys aren’t on an offense that is Better than the opposing defense.  

 

Again, anytime a random event can determine an advantage it’s not a fair and balanced sysytem.  Both teams getting the ball once, is 100% of the time fair.  Coin flip, not always a fair outcome.  Brady bs Chiefs D not a fair competition as Pats O > Chiefs D.  So only way to balance is give both teams one possession, then always fair and results are based on contributions of the full teams, not one unit of it.

 

The rule was changed 9 years ago.  The Chiefs could have gotten a possession if their D had only allowed a FG.  That was the change.  

 

Ok let's just get to it.

 

Had the Chiefs won the coin flip and scored a TD to win the game, you would not be posting on this.  You would not be arguing that NE got screwed by not having Brady get a chance to tie it up.

Edited January 21, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[Livinginthepast]

I don't see what the big fuss is about slightly changing the overtime rule. Just guarantee 1 possession for each offense in OT UNLESS the Defense scores a TD then the game is over right there, no need for the scoring offense to have their possession. If both teams were guaranteed one possession and they both scored the same FG or TD, THEN it becomes sudden death with whoever scores the next pts winning it. 

 

If they applied these rules yesterday, the Chiefs would have got the ball after NE had scored their TD and probably scored themselves to tie it.  They probably eventually lose the game anyway because their defense couldn't have stopped a tumble weed by the end of last night's game.

[row_33]

I refuse to take the troll pedant's interest in watching sports, always hoping someone gets hurt or the refs mess up or the rules aren't perfectly fair or whatever it is you want to continue endlessly complaining about.....

 

It's just a ***** game so relax and watch and stop complaining.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

I got back and forth on this.  I hate the game getting decided by a coin flip and the MVP of the league not touching the ball.  However, it’s still a team game.  If KC’s defense wasn’t total ?, they could have stopped NE and gotten good field position like the Rams did.  

 

Id say leave it the way it is.  KC needs to get a better defense.  They wasted a SB year by their qb and offense.

[Chris66]

1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said:

What do you have against each offense getting their chance? 1% advantage or whatever it is shouldn't be OK. 

Football has never been like that. If they would have held them to a fieldgoal. They would have had a chance

 

Whats up with everyone needing a turn. This is proffesional. I dont want it to be like amateur.

[Beast]

Nope.

 

Because the team that has the ball second will always have the advantage. First, they will always go for it on 4th down whereas the first team probably wouldn’t.

 

And, secondly, they could go for the win on their xtra point conversion.

 

No matter what, some team will be at a disadvantage.

 

The only fair option, IMO, is playing an extra quarter and cutting that quarter in half so at 7:30 the clock stops and the team that kicked off to start OT now gets to receive a kickoff.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

or, as has been said a thousand times already, you can leave it like it is and actually play defense.

 

You know, defense? That thing that all the kids think isn't important?

 

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Nope.

 

Because the team that has the ball second will always have the advantage. First, they will always go for it on 4th down whereas the first team probably wouldn’t.

 

And, secondly, they could go for the win on their xtra point conversion.

 

No matter what, some team will be at a disadvantage.

 

The only fair option, IMO, is playing an extra quarter and cutting that quarter in half so at 7:30 the clock stops and the team that kicked off to start OT now gets to receive a kickoff.

 

 

^best OT idea yet

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The rule was changed 9 years ago.  The Chiefs could have gotten a possession if their D had only allowed a FG.  That was the change.  

 

Ok let's just get to it.

 

Had the Chiefs won the coin flip and scored a TD to win the game, you would not be posting on this.  You would not be arguing that NE got screwed by not having Brady get a chance to tie it up.

 

Not true at all.  I’m not someone whose life is miserable because of the Pats.  I appreciate greatness, so has no Bills fan biased in my opinion.  I’ve made this argument for OT on this board for as long as I have been on it regarding OT discussions.  I hated the old OT rules, and while what we have is better than before, it’s still not balanced and needs to be adjusted.  

 

For over 20 years I have said both teams need to have the ball once, and even was critical of this when they made the rule change.

 

Sorry to disappoint, but I would have felt the same and always felt this way if it was reversed and Chiefs got ball first and won on TD.  The only difference is you would be calling me a Pats fan for making this argument in that case.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I got back and forth on this.  I hate the game getting decided by a coin flip and the MVP of the league not touching the ball.  However, it’s still a team game.  If KC’s defense wasn’t total ?, they could have stopped NE and gotten good field position like the Rams did.  

 

Id say leave it the way it is.  KC needs to get a better defense.  They wasted a SB year by their qb and offense.

 

It also might have helped if the MVP and the rest of the offense had shown up in the first half.

 

Seems like teams make a habit out of playing a solid 2 or 3 quarters against NE.  That rarely is sufficient.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2019 by KD in CA

[LabattBlue]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

No, don’t need to change any OT rules.

 

PS. ***** the Chiefs, ***** Andy Reid, ***** Mahomes, ***** Sammy, and most especially ***** each and every one of those a-holes doing the tomahawk chop. 

Agree.  lol

[Just Joshin']

Leave the regular season alone or eliminate the regular season OT entirely.

 

For the playoffs play a complete 10 minute quarter until you have a winner.  If you hold the ball the whole 10 minutes, so be it.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Just Joshin' said:

Leave the regular season alone or eliminate the regular season OT entirely.

 

For the playoffs play a complete 10 minute quarter until you have a winner.  If you hold the ball the whole 10 minutes, so be it.

 

The Pats gladly would have taken ten minutes to score the TD the first series

 

[Turk71]

Ridiculous that a Championship is decided by a coin toss. The 'play better defense' argument is just straight up stupid. The Patriots didn't play better defense, the game was tied in regulation. Did the Patriots play better defense in overtime? They didn't have to play any defense, they just had to win a coin toss and play offense. If the Chiefs had won the toss and scored it would obviously be just as unfair. People pretending these overtime rules are fair are just willfully ignorant or straight up stupid imo.

[row_33]

7 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Ridiculous that a Championship is decided by a coin toss. The 'play better defense' argument is just straight up stupid. The Patriots didn't play better defense, the game was tied in regulation. Did the Patriots play better defense in overtime? They didn't have to play any defense, they just had to win a coin toss and play offense. If the Chiefs had won the toss and scored it would obviously be just as unfair. People pretending these overtime rules are fair are just willfully ignorant or straight up stupid imo.

 

Yeah right your dudgeon would be the same if the Chiefs won........?

 

 

 

 

[Turk71]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Yeah right your dudgeon would be the same if the Chiefs won........?

 

 

 

 

Regardless of who won, the overtime rules are dumb and I have felt that way all along. That said, I definitely would have preferred a Chiefs victory but that wouldn't change my opinion of the OT rules.

 Good use of the word dudgeon.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Turk71

[Prickly Pete]

The OT rule is pretty much perfect. When they changed it from whoever scores first to the present rule, that was a great move. 

It's as good as it can get, don't ***** with it just because the Pats won again.

[BuffaloButt]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

Ridiculous that a Championship is decided by a coin toss. The 'play better defense' argument is just straight up stupid. The Patriots didn't play better defense, the game was tied in regulation. Did the Patriots play better defense in overtime? They didn't have to play any defense, they just had to win a coin toss and play offense. If the Chiefs had won the toss and scored it would obviously be just as unfair. People pretending these overtime rules are fair are just willfully ignorant or straight up stupid imo.

Perfect summary to my point! 

[BillsfaninChicago]

OT has gotten better since having strict sudden death. It may need a little tweaking maybe straight of  playing10 minutes to a win or tie in the regular season or 15 minutes sessions until there is a winner at the conclusion in the postseason. Just don’t do what college football does. It is like putting cheat codes in Madden.

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Ridiculous that a Championship is decided by a coin toss. The 'play better defense' argument is just straight up stupid. The Patriots didn't play better defense, the game was tied in regulation. Did the Patriots play better defense in overtime? They didn't have to play any defense, they just had to win a coin toss and play offense. If the Chiefs had won the toss and scored it would obviously be just as unfair. People pretending these overtime rules are fair are just willfully ignorant or straight up stupid imo.

 

Someone called up WGR today while I was listening and offered what I thought would be a great modification to the OT rule...

 

Basically eliminate the OT coin toss and have it tie into the decision on the opening kickoff...basically whoever gets the ball first(usually the loser of the coin toss since most teams defer) will get the ball to start OT.  That way everybody knows who is getting the ball, there are no surprises and the end of the games can be coached accordingly based on the strategy involved with whether you know if you are getting the ball first or not if it looks like its going to OT. Additionally, the team who won the toss decided who got the ball in OT so there can be no crying about it.  You win the toss and want to defer to gain an advantage, then you take a small risk that if the game goes to OT the other team automatically gets the ball to start off.

Edited January 22, 2019 by matter2003

[Prickly Pete]

Damned whining from the Patriot Haters...pathetic.

 

IT'S TOO LATE TO CHANGE!

 

And next time around, the Patriots would probably benefit from whatever rule change was implemented. They are the ultimate franchise. The know how to correctly strategize for every situation, and RARELY make a mistake. Rule changes aren't going to help....they know how to maximize them.

 

Just stop.

 

The OT is great. It gives both teams enough of a chance. 

 

 

it all reminds me of when people who hated the 90's Bills decided that Rich Stadium was too much of advantage, and that the Championship game should be played at a neutral site.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Ridiculous that a Championship is decided by a coin toss. The 'play better defense' argument is just straight up stupid. The Patriots didn't play better defense, the game was tied in regulation. Did the Patriots play better defense in overtime? They didn't have to play any defense, they just had to win a coin toss and play offense. If the Chiefs had won the toss and scored it would obviously be just as unfair. People pretending these overtime rules are fair are just willfully ignorant or straight up stupid imo.

 

It wasn't "decided by a coin toss". What a simplistic, disingenuous comment.  

Not even worth arguing with such a silly statement.

Edited January 22, 2019 by OJ Tom

[MJS]

I hate how this exact same thread gets rehashed after every overtime game. Give it a rest already. The rules are fine. Find something else to be aghast about.

[billsfan_34]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Pretty much this.  The Chiefs had the worst D of any of the final 4 teams and it showed yesterday.

You have to have D in this league to get to and win the big one. KC’s D yesterday was one of the worst I remember seeing in a long time. They were epically bad and some things the Pats did were pretty basic however KC lost the trench battle, the second level battle, and DB’s were lost all over the place.

[Figster]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

I hate how this exact same thread gets rehashed after every overtime game. Give it a rest already. The rules are fine. Find something else to be aghast about.

Regular season and playoff OT are different.

 

  I'm aghast because the much despised Pats/NFL playground bully's are advancing to the Superbowl on the flip of a coin.

 

Taking all of Mahomes/Chiefs lunch money in the process.

 

Hate it when that happens...

 

 

[MJS]

Just now, Figster said:

Regular season and playoff OT are different.

 

I'm aghast because the much despised Pats/NFL playground bully's are advancing to the Superbowl on the flip of a coin.

 

Taking all of Mahomes/Chiefs lunch money in the process.

 

Hate it when that happens...

 

You choose to see it that way. The Chiefs had every chance to stop them. They couldn't because they have a sucky defense. The game was in their hands to stop Brady and give Mahomes a shot, but they couldn't get it done. Defense is important. The team with the better defense won the game.

 

Forgive me, but I think there would be no ado if Mahomes had driven for a TD in overtime against the Pats. People are mostly angry because the outcome wasn't what they wanted.

[Figster]

20 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

You choose to see it that way. The Chiefs had every chance to stop them. They couldn't because they have a sucky defense. The game was in their hands to stop Brady and give Mahomes a shot, but they couldn't get it done. Defense is important. The team with the better defense won the game.

 

Forgive me, but I think there would be no ado if Mahomes had driven for a TD in overtime against the Pats. People are mostly angry because the outcome wasn't what they wanted.

I'm not sure you can call the Pats the team with the better D in a tie football game.

 

Better or more lucky?

 

I agree on why most folks are angry.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Figster

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I turn on WGR at 7:15 am and Jeremy White is complaining about the OT coin toss. 

 

Get over it. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

You have to have D in this league to get to and win the big one. KC’s D yesterday was one of the worst I remember seeing in a long time. They were epically bad and some things the Pats did were pretty basic however KC lost the trench battle, the second level battle, and DB’s were lost all over the place.

if they were that bad the Putz would have scored over 45 points.  just saying.  

 

[Chris66]

10 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Regardless of who won, the overtime rules are dumb and I have felt that way all along. That said, I definitely would have preferred a Chiefs victory but that wouldn't change my opinion of the OT rules.

 Good use of the word dudgeon.

Its the difference between pro and amateur(college).

 While were at it lets give all teams a participation trophy.

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Someone called up WGR today while I was listening and offered what I thought would be a great modification to the OT rule...

 

Basically eliminate the OT coin toss and have it tie into the decision on the opening kickoff...basically whoever gets the ball first(usually the loser of the coin toss since most teams defer) will get the ball to start OT.  That way everybody knows who is getting the ball, there are no surprises and the end of the games can be coached accordingly based on the strategy involved with whether you know if you are getting the ball first or not if it looks like its going to OT. Additionally, the team who won the toss decided who got the ball in OT so there can be no crying about it.  You win the toss and want to defer to gain an advantage, then you take a small risk that if the game goes to OT the other team automatically gets the ball to start off.

 

 

I could totally get behind this.  Make deferring a more dangerous option.  

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

if they were that bad the Putz would have scored over 45 points.  just saying.  

 

348 yards passing, 175 rushing- total control of the clock- just sayin. A nice recipe to beat an offense that gets huge chunk plays.

[ILBillsfan]

I think it is fine the way it is the Rams proved exactly what you do when you lose the coin flip you go out play defense get a turnover or stop the other teams offense and then score....all fundamentals of winning football.  Stop the other team and score points.

 

How many 3rd and longs did that pathetic chiefs defense allow on that OT drive ...three if I recall correctly 3rd and 7...3rd and 9...3rd and ten....

 

Why reward a team that obviously is not good enough to stop the opposing team from going 75yrds and scoring a TD.

7 hours ago, Figster said:

I'm not sure you can call the Pats the team with the better D in a tie football game. 

 

Better or more lucky?

 

I agree on why most folks are angry.

The pats Defensively were the better team in the first half when they didn't let the chiefs score one pt. .......that is the difference in this game not the OT....people never want to place the blame where it truly is and instead divert to something more meaningless.

Edited January 22, 2019 by ILBillsfan

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

 

You choose to see it that way. The Chiefs had every chance to stop them. They couldn't because they have a sucky defense. The game was in their hands to stop Brady and give Mahomes a shot, but they couldn't get it done. Defense is important. The team with the better defense won the game.

 

Forgive me, but I think there would be no ado if Mahomes had driven for a TD in overtime against the Pats. People are mostly angry because the outcome wasn't what they wanted.

The problem is that against good offenses, defenses are at a serious disadvantage because they're flat out exhausted. Does it matter in a Bills/Arizona Cardinals game? Not so much. However, when the Pats are the opponent - a team that constantly runs a TON of offensive plays in regulation (roughly 85 plays going into OT vs both Atlanta and KC, btw) -- the coin flip win gives them a huge advantage. I know that the Saints lost, but I believe that in most games involving playoff teams with good QBs/offenses, losing the coin flip puts you at a serious disadvantage to the point where it increases the likelihood that you'll lose.  

Edited January 22, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Figster]

2 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

I think it is fine the way it is the Rams proved exactly what you do when you lose the coin flip you go out play defense get a turnover or stop the other teams offense and then score....all fundamentals of winning football.  Stop the other team and score points.

 

How many 3rd and longs did that pathetic chiefs defense allow on that OT drive ...three if I recall correctly 3rd and 7...3rd and 9...3rd and ten....

 

Why reward a team that obviously is not good enough to stop the opposing team from going 75yrds and scoring a TD.

The pats Defensively were the better team in the first half when they didn't let the chiefs score one pt. .......that is the difference in this game not the OT....people never want to place the blame where it truly is and instead divert to something more meaningless.

There was no differrence in the game at the end of regulation in case you missed it...

Edited January 22, 2019 by Figster

[Figster]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The problem is that against good offenses, defenses are at a serious disadvantage because they're flat out exhausted. Does it matter in a Bills/Arizona Cardinals game? Not so much. However, when the Pats are the opponent - a team that constantly runs a TON of offensive plays in regulation (roughly 85 plays going into OT vs both Atlanta and KC, btw) -- the coin flip win gives them a huge advantage. I know that the Saints lost, but I believe that in most games involving playoff teams with good QBs/offenses, losing the coin flip puts you at a serious disadvantage to the point where it increases the likelihood that you'll lose.  

Good posting dave, 

 

I realize I'm repeating myself,  play extra quarters until the tie is broken in a way that best simulates a game ending in regulation.

 

Its a no brainer...

[ILBillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Figster said:

There was no differrence in the game at the end of regulation in case you missed it...

What don't you get with football you stop the other team and you score points......this saints stupidity to change the OT rule the chiefs oh Mahomes didn't get his chance.

 

BS they had there chance in the game to make the difference too many whiners in life that complain life isn't fair well the system isn't rigged against you it's rigged against those that say it doesn't fit there free loving style sorry buttercup look in the mirror own up and don't blame a freaking coin flip for why you lost

[MJS]

9 hours ago, Figster said:

I'm not sure you can call the Pats the team with the better D in a tie football game.

 

Better or more lucky?

 

I agree on why most folks are angry.

 

They had the better defense statistically.

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The problem is that against good offenses, defenses are at a serious disadvantage because they're flat out exhausted. Does it matter in a Bills/Arizona Cardinals game? Not so much. However, when the Pats are the opponent - a team that constantly runs a TON of offensive plays in regulation (roughly 85 plays going into OT vs both Atlanta and KC, btw) -- the coin flip win gives them a huge advantage. I know that the Saints lost, but I believe that in most games involving playoff teams with good QBs/offenses, losing the coin flip puts you at a serious disadvantage to the point where it increases the likelihood that you'll lose.  

 

I'm not willing to accept that without looking at the data. My guess is that teams have a slight advantage by getting the ball first, but that it is not significant. I'd have to see the data though.

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

They had the better defense statistically.

 

I'm not willing to accept that without looking at the data. My guess is that teams have a slight advantage by getting the ball first, but that it is not significant. I'd have to see the data though.

Agreed.