Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: I don't think it's "may" personally. Living in the DC area, I think it's pretty obvious just based on the attitudes around here that the Redskins will likely be extremely desperate to make a splash of some sort, whether that's trading for a guy like Antonio Brown or, more likely IMO, trying to move up to take Haskins, who brings triple value to the Redskins as: A legitimately good QB prospect (even if I think he's overrated) A cheap QB while they're stuck paying Alex Smith to not play football A local kid that can excite the fan base Kyler Murray could be an option for them as well as he would undoubtedly bring excitement to the team, but I'm not sure they'll want to go that route after watching RGIII's leg fall off. Quadruple value, actually, if you believe that their division rival covets him... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Bills trade 9th overall pick to the Redskins for the 15th and 46th picks... Bills trade 15th overall pick to Raiders for 24th, 27th and 66th picks... Bills now own two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks 1. 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 4. 4. 5. 5. The 15th overall pick is not worth 2 first and a third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: 9 and a 4th for 15, their 2nd and one of their 3rds is a deal that I’d do in a heartbeat. This would give the Bills 5 players before the end of day 2. What if the offer was next year's first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Augie said: I really don’t think McBeane is afraid of the Fire Everyone crowd on TBD. I’ve said elsewhere I would not be at all surprised to see them add picks for next year if the value is there. Unless you’re afraid of losing your job, you do what’s best long term. I think they are comfortable enough to be open to picks next year. I think if they trade down the ammo they get will be used to move back into the first and latter they will move back into the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think we may ultimately see 4 QBs in the first round again this year honestly. Wouldn't be shocked at all if all of Haskins, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, and Drew Lock go in the first. Should be interesting; seems like teams are much higher on Haskins than I personally am, but I think I'm higher on Jones and Lock than most are. I agree, the QB derby always heats up after the combine. As mentioned by the OP Redskins would be good if we can good compensation because an impact player would still be available at 15. Also, somebody might want to move up in the 2nd round so the bills might be able to make a good move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think if they trade down the ammo they get will be used to move back into the first and latter they will move back into the second. Anything could happen. But getting picks for next year wouldn’t upset me if there’s value. I hope they are not just one trick ponies who only move up, but while it may feel that way after last year early, that’s not always been the case, so.....who knows? I just pray we have the smartest scouts in the league! They looked pretty good last year. There are good players in EVERY round, if you are smart and a bit lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bills are in a great position to trade down, if they are willing to drop out of the top 10 Asside from a few elite DTs and edge rushers there are not a lot of prospects I can see Beane coveting so much he wouldn't move down a few spots. If the Bills are interested in a defensive tackle, Christian Wilkins and/or Jeffery Simmons have a good chance of being available. If they want a WR, DK Metcalfor N'Keal Harry are possibilities. If they want an offensive lineman, Cody Ford or David Edwards may be on the board. There is nothing so special about Jonah Williams or Greg Little that they are worth holding on to #9 overall. What kind of compensation in extra picks could we expect from a moive down 6 places? What does Washington have to bargain with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 From 10 on I could see a bunch of teams want to get ahead of Denver to snitch a QB, including Denver moving up a spot. Denver Cincy Washington Miami Minnesota Bills are in a great spot to move down just slightly but gain a 2nd/3rd this year and a 5th at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: We need the best OT possible. Whether we move up or down. Please no more trading up. We did it twice last year and it cost. Alot Should never be trading up unless it's for a franchise qb or is just a great price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bills are in a great position to trade down, if they are willing to drop out of the top 10 ...I thought the 2019 QB class was routed as meh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I thought the 2019 QB class was routed as meh...... It is, compared to last year. But, still some good prospects and more importantly, QB needy teams who didn’t pull the trigger last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Maybe they need to bring Rex into coaching staff so he can work with him. And that NYJets defence he had..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 There are six teams in front of the Bills that probably won't be drafting QBs (AZ, NYJ, SF, Raiders, TB, and Detroit), so I wouldn't get too excited here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It is, compared to last year. But, still some good prospects and more importantly, QB needy teams who didn’t pull the trigger last year ..thanks bud.....don't get to see college ball, but is this a 2011 remake of Locker, Ponder & Gabbert types?......or shades of 2013?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..thanks bud.....don't get to see college ball, but is this a 2011 remake of Locker, Ponder & Gabbert types?......or shades of 2013?..... Neither, probably. They seem like good prospects to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Neither, probably. They seem like good prospects to me. ...thank you...appreciate the help.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, transient said: I want Beane to get the most absolute value he can out of this top 10 pick, whether that's landing a blue chip player or swindling some extra picks. It gonna be the last top 10 pick he's going to get for a while without having to trade up for it. This is where I am, too. Somebody really good is going to fall to them. Happens every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...thank you...appreciate the help.......... I watch a lot of CFB but I’m definitely no scout. I don’t see it like 2013 because only one went in the 1st and that wasn’t until 16. I absolutely cannot see that happening this year. In 2011 there were several taken early, some didn’t pan out - but Cam went #1 overall. I don’t see a Cam newton but i see 2-3 future starters. Jmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I sure hope we do trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: 9 and a 4th for 15, their 2nd and one of their 3rds is a deal that I’d do in a heartbeat. This would give the Bills 5 players before the end of day 2. Kirby, You are getting greedy. I don't see the Skins making that move. If there was an elite qb prospect then your proposal might make sense. But I don't see that caliber of qb in this draft. There is a chance that Alex Smith's career might be in jeopardy. If that was the case I would think that they would go the free agent route for a qb and then use their picks to address their other multiple needs. The owner has become a pariah in his own market because of the incompetent manner he has managed the operation. This franchise has literally lost a generation of fans. The problem with him is that he is constantly taking a marketing approach when running the football operation. That is a predictable failed strategy in this highly competitive business. He is currently reaping what he has so arrogantly sowed. The fans are tired of this systemic mediocrity and are responding with their indifference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, 416BillsFan said: Brilliant if you don't give up too much for a Joe Thomas, not so much for an Eric Fisher. Either 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: There are six teams in front of the Bills that probably won't be drafting QBs (AZ, NYJ, SF, Raiders, TB, and Detroit), so I wouldn't get too excited here. Only if the Raiders, TB and Detroit are waiting for 2020.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Limeaid said: Maybe they need to bring Rex into coaching staff so he can work with him. But he'll have to make the tattoo red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, DCOrange said: I don't think it's "may" personally. Living in the DC area, I think it's pretty obvious just based on the attitudes around here that the Redskins will likely be extremely desperate to make a splash of some sort, whether that's trading for a guy like Antonio Brown or, more likely IMO, trying to move up to take Haskins, who brings triple value to the Redskins as: A legitimately good QB prospect (even if I think he's overrated) A cheap QB while they're stuck paying Alex Smith to not play football A local kid that can excite the fan base Kyler Murray could be an option for them as well as he would undoubtedly bring excitement to the team, but I'm not sure they'll want to go that route after watching RGIII's leg fall off. I hope...but they also may go the FA/cheap trade route with Foles or Flacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Regardless of what you think about a particular team, it's really disheartening to watch any team make the move to get their quarterback, only to watch the quarterback's leg snap like a pretzel so quickly. I can't imagine being a die-hard Redskins fan, pumped about your shiny new quarterback one year, and finding out a year later you need to go shopping again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: What if the offer was next year's first? Yes we should take that all day. Wait 6pks and get a extra first in 2020 defintely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Flacco could be a placekeeper given some possibility Smith may be able to play again (not next season). But I suspect Snyder will want to make a splash and trade up for Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He totally IS that stupid though lol I agree!! You DONT trade away a player like Khalil Mack, period!! Let alone Amari Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Augie said: Anything could happen. But getting picks for next year wouldn’t upset me if there’s value. I hope they are not just one trick ponies who only move up, but while it may feel that way after last year early, that’s not always been the case, so.....who knows? I just pray we have the smartest scouts in the league! They looked pretty good last year. There are good players in EVERY round, if you are smart and a bit lucky. They would be moving down from nine to gain more picks to move up. We likely arnt gonna take 10 guys. Picks next year are ok but we need players this year. I would rather take 2 in the first and 2nd than two in the 3rd and 4th. We are not allowed to trade any 5th rounders though, they seem to have good luck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I’d love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bills are in a great position to trade down, if they are willing to drop out of the top 10 If Bean is worried about future cap room he'd be wise to drop past pick 10 due to the 5th year option rule. See https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/03/27/nfl-rookie-contracts-explained-fifth-year-option/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Yes. A trade down for an xtra 2nd would be awesome. There is a lot of talent to be had in first couple rounds and no oline or wrs worthy of #9 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, TigerJ said: Asside from a few elite DTs and edge rushers there are not a lot of prospects I can see Beane coveting so much he wouldn't move down a few spots. If the Bills are interested in a defensive tackle, Christian Wilkins and/or Jeffery Simmons have a good chance of being available. If they want a WR, DK Metcalfor N'Keal Harry are possibilities. If they want an offensive lineman, Cody Ford or David Edwards may be on the board. There is nothing so special about Jonah Williams or Greg Little that they are worth holding on to #9 overall. What kind of compensation in extra picks could we expect from a moive down 6 places? What does Washington have to bargain with? Washington's 2nd rnd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised to see clayton thornson go high in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I hope...but they also may go the FA/cheap trade route with Foles or Flacco. I just can't see the Redskins, who currently are projected to have just $16 million in cap space making a move to bring in Foles/Flacco for $20 million per year on top of paying Alex Smith $20 million. That would be an insane amount of money to spend on what would likely amount to below average QB play. I think drafting someone is basically their only option at this point. The fans have already completely turned on the organization and them trying to roll out Colt McCoy or spending a combined $40 million on below average QBs will only cause even less fan interest. The only way I really see the Redskins making a play for someone like Foles is if the market ends up being dry and he's forced to accept like $5-10 million per year instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I just can't see the Redskins, who currently are projected to have just $16 million in cap space making a move to bring in Foles/Flacco for $20 million per year on top of paying Alex Smith $20 million. That would be an insane amount of money to spend on what would likely amount to below average QB play. I think drafting someone is basically their only option at this point. The fans have already completely turned on the organization and them trying to roll out Colt McCoy or spending a combined $40 million on below average QBs will only cause even less fan interest. The only way I really see the Redskins making a play for someone like Foles is if the market ends up being dry and he's forced to accept like $5-10 million per year instead. I think you have it right. They need a reset and a young QB is a good start. Drafting one will give the fans a new hope, even if it’s false hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: The 15th overall pick is not worth 2 first and a third The Saints moved from 27th last year to 14 to draft Marcus Davenport. They gave up two 1sts and a 4th. Let's not act like we haven't seen these moves before. I love how everyone is giving Dan Snyder and Mark Davis way too much credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: The Saints moved from 27th last year to 14 to draft Marcus Davenport. They gave up two 1sts and a 4th. Let's not act like we haven't seen these moves before. I love how everyone is giving Dan Snyder and Mark Davis way too much credit Good point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 hours ago, dave mcbride said: There are six teams in front of the Bills that probably won't be drafting QBs (AZ, NYJ, SF, Raiders, TB, and Detroit), so I wouldn't get too excited here. Then this would make our pick even more valuable - more QBs available to pick from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Then this would make our pick even more valuable - more QBs available to pick from. How so? There are only a couple of qbs remotely worthy of a top ten pick, and if 6 teams (or even 4, if I'm conservative) are out of the QB game and want to trade down, where does that leave Buffalo w/regard to a potential trade down? If teams want a QB, they will be willing to move up. Last year proved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: How so? There are only a couple of qbs remotely worthy of a top ten pick, and if 6 teams (or even 4, if I'm conservative) are out of the QB game and want to trade down, where does that leave Buffalo w/regard to a potential trade down? If teams want a QB, they will be willing to move up. Last year proved that. If teams think Denver is going QB and none have been selected by 9 then I could see a team paying a premium to get in front of Denver for their pick of the litter. Otherwise it's pretty meh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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