Jerome007 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Again the media is all about the QBs and "skill players" after wins but did you see the dominance of the OLines yesterday? Mahomes had so many pass attempts when he had tons of time, a clean line of vision, etc. And the Rams OLine totally whooped the Dallas D. It wasn't that the Cowboys defense played bad, were out of sync or outschemed. They were simply pushed around like if they were a weak front 7. Crazy dominance. The Chiefs have so many offensive weapons, Mahones can run around and escape the rush, and the SCHEMES are amazing. The plays are so varied, so well designed, that the OLine could look better than it is, IDK. Awesome coaching in any case. But the Rams, that was a straight mugging. In any case, I can just picture Josh and the Bills O with a great line like that *drools* Nobody would be saying McCoy is done if he had been running behind that line - or we would know if he indeed slowed down as there was no way to tell, he had no holes. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 As many of us have said: the Bills need a 2017 Rams type offseason. Add 3 starters on the OL Add a whole new top-3 WR group Add 2 new TEs Let your rookie QB immerse himself in the playbook for an entire offseason 14 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Rams 1 - 2 punch had 48 rushes vs 28 attempted passes. Cowboys just couldn't stop it. I hope we start seeing news about OL Coach interviews soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Wasn't just the OLines. They both dominated with their D line too. The key for the Rams was actually restricting Zeke to less then 3 yards a rush. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 I've heard good things about that Rams OL coach... oh wait, the Bills fired him 2 years ago. Damn. Well, I believe the Chiefs and Rams both have high profile OL FAs this year, one a guard and 1 a center... if you ask me, I say we overpay and throw a combined $17M- $20M at these two guys, re-sign Mills and draft a RT with our 2nd rounder, and we still have approx $70M to spend on skill positions and 9 more draft picks to find another 5-6 starters. I wish Madden came out at the end of the super bowl, I would love to get the game right now, I would love to get a copy and build this team myself. This offseason is looking exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Yeah and as much as a I love Jim, Andre, Thurman etc....it's funny how years later they still get all the glory but whenever I watch old highlights from the 90s Bills games I am always blown away by how awesome our O-line was back then. Without a doubt having a solid line is one of the key ingredients to becoming a contender. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 When I saw both of their offensive lines not being pushed back at the point of attack on run plays....I was jealous. I’m sure Shady was extremely envious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, hemma said: Rams 1 - 2 punch had 48 rushes vs 28 attempted passes. Cowboys just couldn't stop it. I hope we start seeing news about OL Coach interviews soon. Wait, the NFL experts on TBD constantly harp you only win in the NFL by passing - how can this be! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 You just need to find the right guys. Some of those guys are journeymen, second round picks, 7th rounders etc. the lone top ten player is Eric Fisher and he's probably the worst of the bunch. Also the Chiefs have a good amount of functional depth and overcame a few injuries this year. Find the right guys to gel for you. You don't have to use premium assets like top ten picks. And find functional depth. That has to be mission numero uno this off season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: As many of us have said: the Bills need a 2017 Rams type offseason. Add 3 starters on the OL Add a whole new top-3 WR group Add 2 new TEs Let your rookie QB immerse himself in the playbook for an entire offseason Ill keep saying it: we are entering our prime 3 year window to win. If we don’t enter September talking about 10+ wins as the expectation, somethings gone terribly wrong. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: You just need to find the right guys. Some of those guys are journeymen, second round picks, 7th rounders etc. the lone top ten player is Eric Fisher and he's probably the worst of the bunch. Also the Chiefs have a good amount of functional depth and overcame a few injuries this year. Find the right guys to gel for you. You don't have to use premium assets like top ten picks. And find functional depth. That has to be mission numero uno this off season. Wait I thought you need to find or draft elite guys like Jason Peters and then pay them. At least according to our football experts . Interesting that a number of teams advancing in playoffs are not following this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: You just need to find the right guys. Some of those guys are journeymen, second round picks, 7th rounders etc. the lone top ten player is Eric Fisher and he's probably the worst of the bunch. Also the Chiefs have a good amount of functional depth and overcame a few injuries this year. Find the right guys to gel for you. You don't have to use premium assets like top ten picks. And find functional depth. That has to be mission numero uno this off season. Agreed Find yourself a veteran C and RT that fit the scheme, and a lot of problems will be solved. I'd also invest in a veteran chess piece like Ty Nsehke as a 6th OLmen. He can play anywhere besides center and would provide critical depth on game day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: As many of us have said: the Bills need a 2017 Rams type offseason. Add 3 starters on the OL Add a whole new top-3 WR group Add 2 new TEs Let your rookie QB immerse himself in the playbook for an entire offseason Daryl Williams-RT Panthers Garrett Bradbury-C NCST Tytus Howard-LT Alabama St Hakeem Butler-WR Iowa State Andy Isabella-WR UMASS Chris Conley-WR Chiefs Donald Parham-TE Stetson Maxx Williams-TE Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The winners were far superior teams, trying to make sense of it by deconstructing the whole into parts is silly again.... DO NOT be impressed by Wild Card Weekend winning teams, almost every year the best teams by far get that week off. Hopefully we get one game this weekend that. Is competitive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Wait I thought you need to find or draft elite guys like Jason Peters and then pay them. At least according to our football experts . Interesting that a number of teams advancing in playoffs are not following this. Also the Cowboys are the team with all of those highly touted and drafted players (though Frederick is out) and they got their asses handed to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said: Daryl Williams-RT Panthers Garrett Bradbury-C NCST Tytus Howard-LT Alabama St Hakeem Butler-WR Iowa State Andy Isabella-WR UMASS Chris Conley-WR Chiefs Donald Parham-TE Stetson Maxx Williams-TE Ravens Not bad! If I have my druthers, it would be: C - Mitch Morse RT - Daryl Williams OG - Ramon Foster OL6 - Ty Nsehke WR - Marvin Jones (trade) WR - Marquise Brown TE - Demetrius Harris TE - Jeff Heuerman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Also the Cowboys are the team with all of those highly touted and drafted players (though Frederick is out) and they got their asses handed to them. There’s a reason a team gets the bye in the first round congrats on figuring this out by a side route.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: There’s a reason a team gets the bye in the first round congrats on figuring this out by a side route.... I'm not sure what you mean, but this was a conversation about the offensive lines of the winning teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Yesterday was another great example of why you don’t pay guys like LeVeon Bell and Shady McCoy ridiculous money. The two runners with unbelievably good games yesterday: CJ Anderson - cut from another team this season and consistent backup player. Damien Williams - cut from another team this year and consistent backup player. if your o-line can block, the running back is almost irrelevant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Eric Fisher of the Chiefs had a dominant game. Mahomes is good when he has time, but he is excellent throwing accurate passes side-armed around rushers and to receivers he sometimes does not appear to be even looking at. He is unique in that way. Great players and coaches. The Rams are now what the Bills will be in two years with a few good FA signings, a marquee player via trade, and a couple good drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Yesterday was another great example of why you don’t pay guys like LeVeon Bell and Shady McCoy ridiculous money. The two runners with unbelievably good games yesterday: CJ Anderson - cut from another team this season and consistent backup player. Damien Williams - cut from another team this year and consistent backup player. if your o-line can block, the running back is almost irrelevant. It's not so much that RB doesn't matter; it's that scheme fit trumps talent IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Watching these playoffs has led me to this approach: 1. I'm doing whatever possible to lend Moorse or Paradis at center. 2. I'm going after Saffold at guard, if I can't land him I'm willing to give up a couple mid round picks for Oselme. 3. I'm going hard after RT Darryl Williams. Yes, I am buying an offensive line. This pretty much allows best Dlineman available at 9 then start picking those skill position guys! We can still even look for mis level fits in free agency at other positions as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Wasn't just the OLines. They both dominated with their D line too. The key for the Rams was actually restricting Zeke to less then 3 yards a rush. ...Wade the ageless wonder dialed up an effective game plan........... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Yes, I am buying an offensive line. This is 100% the right move. Don't rely on rookies. The Chiefs and Rams have veteran offensive lines and good coaching. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Wait, wait! I thought the Colts and Cowboys have drafted the best O-lines? Both got wrecked yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Wade the ageless wonder dialed up an effective game plan........... Has a coordinator ever made it in to the Hall of Fame? Wade deserves it. His defenses have been dominant for more than three decades. Fun fact: he's been the DC for 25% of the teams in the league. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is 100% the right move. Don't rely on rookies. The Chiefs and Rams have veteran offensive lines and good coaching. Agreed 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Has a coordinator ever made it in to the Hall of Fame? Wade deserves it. His defenses have been dominant for more than three decades. Fun fact: he's been the DC for 25% of the teams in the league. Dick LeBeau was the first just a few short years ago I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: As many of us have said: the Bills need a 2017 Rams type offseason. Add 3 starters on the OL Add a whole new top-3 WR group Add 2 new TEs Let your rookie QB immerse himself in the playbook for an entire offseason Amen. I was absolutely stunned at how the Rams pushed the Dallas D around yesterday. McVay clearly outcoached Garrett. But the holes opened by the Rams OL were huge and consistent. There's no way I thought the Rams would ground out 273 on that defense. That's what we need a little bit more of here. I can't wait to see what we do in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: When I saw both of their offensive lines not being pushed back at the point of attack on run plays....I was jealous. I’m sure Shady was extremely envious. I like how you pretend to know what point of attack means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) Cowboys, Eagles, Saints are top 3 in oline pay. Chargers #7, Rams #13, Chiefs #14. Bills # 32. According to spotrac. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ To me, we need to build up our oline before shiny new toys. Spend the cash there, hopefully smart spending, but spend it there. CJ Anderson showed that last night. CJ Anderson, not Shady and his $. Even Damien Williams looked good with KC's oline. Shady would have done better with an improved oline, but so would have any other decent back at a lesser contract. Edited January 13, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Colts have a good line too. Kept Luck upright for most of the game. His recievers couldn’t get open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Has a coordinator ever made it in to the Hall of Fame? Wade deserves it. His defenses have been dominant for more than three decades. Fun fact: he's been the DC for 25% of the teams in the league. regardless of what you read on TBD; defense wins Super Bowl Tings. Even if you have an Arena League Offense you still have to stop your opponent and both the Rams and especially the Chiefs played great defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: Colts have a good line too. Kept Luck upright for most of the game. His recievers couldn’t get open. They're really good. Other than Castonzo, they are all on rookie contracts. They will be well paid in the next couple of years. Can the Colts afford to keep them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, vorpma said: regardless of what you read on TBD; defense wins Super Bowl Tings. Even if you have an Arena League Offense you still have to stop your opponent and both the Rams and especially the Chiefs played great defense! Sorry Super Bowl Rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is 100% the right move. Don't rely on rookies. The Chiefs and Rams have veteran offensive lines and good coaching. While I think I'm quite clear the OLine matters a LOT or I would not have started this thread, it's like for any other positions: all 32 teams are vying for top guys. They are not lined up in a shelf somewhere just ready to be signed. Some teams are already settled in that area, some have no cap space, etc. So in that sense the Bills are poised to get some, as Beane as publicly said it is the priority this offseason, and finally the Bills have cap space to play with. But for all his good intentions, it could happen that Beane doesn't sign much big names on the OLine nor draft anyone good. They have to be available and sign here instead of with another team! Hopefully, he can solve this issue as what a difference it would make! I've said this in another thread but Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (RG) of the Chiefs could be available for a trade. He has missed close to 10 games with a broken leg. He could have played yesterday but he didn't. He's paid 8M per season and obviously his much cheaper replacement has been doing the job. He'd be much closer to home playing with the Bills and has so many side projects that it could matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dopey said: Cowboys, Eagles, Saints are top 3 in oline pay. Chargers #7, Rams #13, Chiefs #14. Bills # 32. According to spotrac. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ To me, we need to build up our oline before shiny new toys. Spend the cash there, hopefully smart spending, but spend it there. CJ Anderson showed that last night. CJ Anderson, not Shady and his $. Even Damien Williams looked good with KC's oline. Shady would have done better with an improved oline, but so would have any other decent back at a lesser contract. We definitely need to help the talent up front but those teams all have good qb play and more weapons all around. We always do the “if Mahomes was here” analogy but there’s some truth to “if our line was in kc they probably wouldn’t be 32” also. Our whole offense needs a talent infusion. Below average blockers for below average playmakers being led by a rookie qb was a clear path to a bad unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: We definitely need to help the talent up front but those teams all have good qb play and more weapons all around. We always do the “if Mahomes was here” analogy but there’s some truth to “if our line was in kc they probably wouldn’t be 32” also. Our whole offense needs a talent infusion. Below average blockers for below average playmakers being led by a rookie qb was a clear path to a bad unit. That rookie QB is quite good. And Shady maybe is near as good as he was, we don't know, we couldn't tell! So of course the Bills need better players across the board, especially on offense. But a better OLine makes everyone look better and gives Daboll more plays too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Wait I thought you need to find or draft elite guys like Jason Peters and then pay them. At least according to our football experts . Interesting that a number of teams advancing in playoffs are not following this. Actually Jason Peters was undrafted. The key is finding quality players, nurturing them, allow them time to hone their craft, and signing them long term for continuity of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Wasn't just the OLines. They both dominated with their D line too. The key for the Rams was actually restricting Zeke to less then 3 yards a rush. I'm not disagreeing with your point of view so much as adding to it. It is unquestionable that Josh Allen is our most valuable asset. And it is without question that this organization expended a lot of resources to acquire him. The best way to get a return from this costly player is to make it a priority to put him in a position to succeed. In my opinion the priority should be the OL and getting a hard charging between the tackles runner. The Bills can dramatically upgrade the receiving unit by getting good #2 receivers and a TE from free agency. In other words you address a priority by addressing a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) They need to make a strong push for Paradis or Morse to play center. The fallback would be Jordan Devey. Edited January 13, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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