JoeF Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Wonder what @Dunkirk Don answered? Worried about his ROI on those downtown properties he holds. I also said I would spend about $5K more on the Bills a year than I currently spend. My wife is going to keeeeelll me... ? Edited January 9, 2019 by JoeF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I just did the survey and I am all in favor of a new stadium downtown. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig and that's what New Era Field is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjebrey Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I'd be all for a retro fit of the current stadium. The tailgating alone is worth keeping the stadium where it is. Plus a retrofit would probably be the cheaper option. Engineer it so you could put a retractable dome on it. Make it usable year round This^^^ I live in Boston and I’d love to see them do what Boston has done to Fenway. Modernize it and build around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 5 hours ago, teef said: it really was. seem like they want to know if you're willing to pay, and what you're willing to pay for. So, I take that if they go with your response, wooden bleachers are in our new stadiums future? 5 hours ago, runner68 said: This smells of an orginization that has basically already made a decision in what they’re going to do, but it’s trying to find ways to give a false sense of fan involvement. Thats not not a bad thing honestly. Their business, their decision, as long as government money isn’t involved. So what if it is? What are you going to do, move out of state? Here’s news for you.....government money is already being used in that stadium and has been for quite some time. At least the government would be spending money on something I enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) PSLs would be awful. I'd much rather have a stadium without a lot of amenities than have that. PS - and by amenity I include train horn Edited January 9, 2019 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 PSL. (Personal seat license.) I live in Charlotte and they were one of the first to start PSL's.You will pay somewhere between $3,000 to $7,000 (One time fee) for the right to purchase a season ticket for that seat. If you do not purchase your season tickets for your seat you will lose your investment. If for some reason you want to upgrade your seat location you will have to first see your PSL and buy a new PSL for your next seat location. Its a crappy way to pay for a new stadium. You will be held hostage every year so not to lose your initial investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On a side note, a PROPER stadium renovation would probably mean the Bills play their home games elsewhere for a year or two. Where would you like to see them play during that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Sky Dome^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, mead107 said: If they put fees on the seats, I will be done going to games. Put fees on Stromboli, you might come out ahead! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I filled out the survey. They won't take my response seriously. However. I voted for a downtown stadium every time it came up. I voted for the most expensive options every time. It's time the Bills lose the 20-year-old drunks in the crowd and get respectable customers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 By the design of the survey you can see several objectives, determine: downtown or OP renovate or new build fan base tolerance of PSLs pricing point for various options in OP Peoples survey experience may differ because it seemed how you answered one question would cause custom follow-on questions. I'm glad the Pegula's are in charge. I expect a very professional and well thought out decision from them. Can't say the same for all the politicos and special interest groups in WNY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Roch-A-Bill said: You can fill out the survey even if you don't get it emailed to you. Here's one link based on a google search, I'm sure there are others: https://www.whec.com/news/buffalo-bills-survey/5204151/ Just filled this out - anyone can do it by clicking this link. In additional comments I did enter a plea to get rid of train horn. I encourage all other fully sane, rational board members to do the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: So, I take that if they go with your response, wooden bleachers are in our new stadiums future? I suggested we sit on milk crates. The frills take away from the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Steptide said: I'd be all for a retro fit of the current stadium. The tailgating alone is worth keeping the stadium where it is. Plus a retrofit would probably be the cheaper option. Engineer it so you could put a retractable dome on it. Make it usable year round I think this is the best idea. I'm not from the Buffalo area, but a retractable roof or covering the fans from most of the elements would aide in allowing the elderly and handicap to attend games as well. But, I like Arizona's stadium being in a dome with a grass field. Also, would benefit the noise the home crowd could generate within the dome. Side note: I hate turf and wish all fields were grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, notwoz said: I filled out the survey. They won't take my response seriously. However. I voted for a downtown stadium every time it came up. I voted for the most expensive options every time. It's time the Bills lose the 20-year-old drunks in the crowd and get respectable customers. what about us mid 50"s year old drunks smart guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: what about us mid 50"s year old drunks smart guy Nobody needs drunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 New stadium with retractable roof. Only one question pertaining to that. Old guy here will not go to many games. Put a dome on a new stadium and I’ll purchase a Loge for 3-7 years, might even buy a 30 year PSL and will it to my kids. I cannot stand the drive, the elements and massive cluster ***** of leaving the stadium. Offer me entertainment venues and restaurants and we stay after the game. Pegulas need to stop with this dinosaur in Orchard Park and build a stadium closer to Buffalo, not in a friggin cow pasture. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, notwoz said: Nobody needs drunks. my wife does!!! 2 minutes ago, dlonce said: New stadium with retractable roof. Only one question pertaining to that. Old guy here will not go to many games. Put a dome on a new stadium and I’ll purchase a Loge for 3-7 years, might even buy a 30 year PSL and will it to my kids. I cannot stand the drive, the elements and massive cluster ***** of leaving the stadium. Offer me entertainment venues and restaurants and we stay after the game. Pegulas need to stop with this dinosaur in Orchard Park and build a stadium closer to Buffalo, not in a friggin cow pasture. just to cater to you old farts? Think it's bad leaving Orchard park? Wait till ya see what its like leaving downtown. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, notwoz said: Nobody needs drunks. The bills do. It's going to be much harder to fill a stadium without tailgating. For better or worse that is a huge draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I gave them my email at the end of the survey in case I can make it home to do one of those focus groups. Who knows they may have some good catering there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I just did the survey and I am all in favor of a new stadium downtown. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig and that's what New Era Field is. a beautiful, kindly pig that provides great joy and companionship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Hammered a Lot said: I hope your tax dollars pay for it! Wear some underwear so your not dragging. Ha! I love in tax-free NH. But I'll probably will end up with PSLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Trogdor said: The bills do. It's going to be much harder to fill a stadium without tailgating. For better or worse that is a huge draw. Maybe right now. But if they build a new stadium with amenities like the Indians Stadium does they shouldn't have a problem. That stadium has a couple bar areas, local craft brews comfortable seats and a kids play area. Of course that might too much for some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Only reason why I want a new stadium is because it marries the Bills to Buffalo for at least another 30 years. I want an extremely modest dome, something well under $1 billion. Something to keep us warm in during the winter and also a big venue for concerts and other forms of entertainment in the offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, dlonce said: New stadium with retractable roof. Only one question pertaining to that. Old guy here will not go to many games. Put a dome on a new stadium and I’ll purchase a Loge for 3-7 years, might even buy a 30 year PSL and will it to my kids. I cannot stand the drive, the elements and massive cluster ***** of leaving the stadium. Offer me entertainment venues and restaurants and we stay after the game. Pegulas need to stop with this dinosaur in Orchard Park and build a stadium closer to Buffalo, not in a friggin cow pasture. You don't know where to park for quick out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 As others have said, renovating Rich would just be putting lipstick on a 50-year old pig. The structure is inferior, the restrooms inadequate, and the corridors way too narrow. I’m in favor of a new downtown facility, preferably with a retractable roof, but Cuomo would have to come up with another Buffalo Billion for that to happen. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Senator said: As others have said, renovating Rich would just be putting lipstick on a 50-year old pig. The structure is inferior, the restrooms inadequate, and the corridors way too narrow. I’m in favor of a new downtown facility, preferably with a retractable roof, but Cuomo would have to come up with another Buffalo Billion for that to happen. . One of my questions asked me to rate the importance of numerous features. Two of the features were wider corridors and restroom accessibility. I put “Extremely Important “ for both of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: Maybe right now. But if they build a new stadium with amenities like the Indians Stadium does they shouldn't have a problem. That stadium has a couple bar areas, local craft brews comfortable seats and a kids play area. Of course that might too much for some of you. The cost alone would probably price people out. Buffalo is unique and you take that away without the tailgating. Some of you apparently want this above all else, but I know that a lot of people enjoy it. This team has been miserable for 20years and no comfy seat would keep the stadium full for that long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If you didn't say sightlines are very important I'm pissed at you. They also didn't bring up noise as part of the survey, as in crowd noise being factored into design. Pittsburgh fans still upset about the idiots who designed Heinz field leaving one end open "to see where the rivers meet and the city profile". Meanwhile, all the noise blows right out that endzone and they have zero homefield advantage with regard to noise. Opposing teams audible away, even at the goal line. So stupid. And they're a real football town with knowledgeable hardcore fans, it's not Miami or La where they wouldn't know an audible from an ottoman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, teef said: just saw this come through my email too. i'm just going to send them a bunch of nudes of myself, and see where it goes. Judging by her reaction Buffalo_Gal must have already seen em. 2 hours ago, NewDayBills said: Only reason why I want a new stadium is because it marries the Bills to Buffalo for at least another 30 years. I want an extremely modest dome, something well under $1 billion. Something to keep us warm in during the winter and also a big venue for concerts and other forms of entertainment in the offseason. I wonder what visiting teams will think when they remove the visitors facilities from the old stadium and put them in new one? Edited January 10, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Spending $2,000 a year for a lounge to sit in before and after the game, with non-alcoholic beverages is insane. All i want is Pub style tables thoughout the concourses of the stadium. This way i wont end up wearing the food i purchase there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Hammered a Lot said: I hope your tax dollars pay for it! Wear some underwear so your not dragging. Do you like where your tax dollars are going now ? You still have to pay them. They might as well use them for something I like if they’re going to take them anyway. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, El Guapo said: One of my questions asked me to rate the importance of numerous features. Two of the features were wider corridors and restroom accessibility. I put “Extremely Important “ for both of those. A couple of years ago they made upgrades and kept talking about wider concourses. I don't know if I just got fatter, but the concourses seemed the same, and that's about my only complaint about the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 hours ago, NewDayBills said: something well under $1 billion. And then you remembered you're talking about a construction project in New York State... a Reno might be under that. A new facility? I doubt it. Not because it should be over 1billion; not that it has to be over 1 billion; just because New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 There is nothing wrong with the current stadium. All this talk of remodeling and building new stadiums is just for PR. The money would be better spent on teachers' salaries and roads, etc. It's just a money making scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I would retrofit the present stadium in OP. Mainly for two reasons, cost and infrastructure. It wouldn't be as expensive to renovate Rich Stadium as it would be to build a new stadium. Right off the bat just the land acquisition and utilities being set up costs a lot and a downtown stadium would require a lot of space Even more so would be the infrastructure required to make it work. Sabres games are bad enough with 30+ min wait times, now multiply that by 3 or 4 and just imagine the gridlock. The state would need to pour funds into Buffalo just to build infrastructure with the stadium itself being a separate funding enigma. Parking would be ridiculously expensive. And Buffalo's public transit is rather tiny. An inner-city stadium would likely kill tailgating which is effectively one of the primary draws for Bills fans year in and year out and or reduce it to a degree that would make it nothing special. Buffalo Bills fans are an older average crowd (season ticket wise) and still have some struggles with paperless ticketing; how will that demographic deal with price hikes and travel time increases? There isn't enough of a young rich crowd to pick up the slack thus we'd likely see the Bills crowds shrink by a great number as tailgaters stay home to party and some of the older crowd just stay home lamenting of days gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said: I gave them my email at the end of the survey in case I can make it home to do one of those focus groups. Who knows they may have some good catering there! I can tell you with very certain clarity and based on experience... that’s a ney! Jimmie Johns is an upgrade if the players are not there! And I hate Jimmie Johns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 hours ago, The Senator said: As others have said, renovating Rich would just be putting lipstick on a 50-year old pig. The structure is inferior, the restrooms inadequate, and the corridors way too narrow. those are all the things that would be rectified with a retro fit.Green Bay has fantastic corridors, great new restrooms..place was awesome and done for like $250M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldwaide Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 hours ago, thewookie1 said: I would retrofit the present stadium in OP. Mainly for two reasons, cost and infrastructure. It wouldn't be as expensive to renovate Rich Stadium as it would be to build a new stadium. Right off the bat just the land acquisition and utilities being set up costs a lot and a downtown stadium would require a lot of space Even more so would be the infrastructure required to make it work. Sabres games are bad enough with 30+ min wait times, now multiply that by 3 or 4 and just imagine the gridlock. The state would need to pour funds into Buffalo just to build infrastructure with the stadium itself being a separate funding enigma. Parking would be ridiculously expensive. And Buffalo's public transit is rather tiny. An inner-city stadium would likely kill tailgating which is effectively one of the primary draws for Bills fans year in and year out and or reduce it to a degree that would make it nothing special. Buffalo Bills fans are an older average crowd (season ticket wise) and still have some struggles with paperless ticketing; how will that demographic deal with price hikes and travel time increases? There isn't enough of a young rich crowd to pick up the slack thus we'd likely see the Bills crowds shrink by a great number as tailgaters stay home to party and some of the older crowd just stay home lamenting of days gone by. I chose OP as well, but I opted for a new build with some minor infrastructure improvements to ease traffic congestion. Build near the existing site, then tear down what we have, and use that space for the amphitheater, stores, or whatever else you want to add for fan experience. I'm not an engineer, but I've noticed some cracks in the cement of NEF and that raises some questions about it's viability long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I guess I've got a different mindset than many on here, as I'd much rather pay more for a better product than not have to pay much at all for what we have. I think it's just my generation though, as the business landscape has changed dramatically to accommodate this line of thought, especially in service & restaurant industries. Fast casual dining chains used to be huge, but now people are ditching those places in droves & opting to pay more for a better experience & higher quality food/service. For live sporting events I'd rather have to pay a bit more for a cleaner, safer, more comfortable experience...otherwise I'd rather just watch for free in my home with a better view, better food, better smells, etc. Sitting on crappy bleacher seating next to a bunch of drunks that smell like balls, cussing up a storm, in crappy weather, having to pee in a trough next to a bunch of other men crammed side by side, all while having to pay for it and spend a ton of time driving home isn't exactly appealing anymore. PSL's suck, but there's improved ways to do it that don't feel like such a ripoff (look into how they're doing them for LA's stadium). Buffalo has dragged its feet with building a new stadium for years. All the other rust belt/mid-west regional cities recognized the need for a new venue have long since built new stadiums. 1. Cleveland - FirstEnergy Stadium: 1999-Present (Cost Adjusted for Inflation - $426 million) 2. Cincinnati - Paul Brown Stadium: 2000-Present (Cost Adjusted for Inflation - $662 million) 3. Detroit - Ford Field: 2002-Present (Cost Adjusted for Inflation - $696 million) 4. Indianapolis - Lucas Oil Stadium: 2008-Present (Cost Adjusted for Inflation - $808 million) 5. Minnesota - U.S. Bank Stadium: 2016-Present (Cost - $1.06 Billion) 6. Pittsburgh - Heinz Field: 2001-Present (Cost Adjusted for Inflation $398 million) With the amount we've already spent to patch things up several times, we could've been on our way to having a new stadium by now. It's time to stop with the band-aids & just go for it now before it gets even more expensive in the future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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