PIZ Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/01/how-bills-derek-anderson-helped-oc-brian-daboll-develop-josh-allen.html 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 It's amazing to think that we are entering the off-season with a completely stable QB room for the first time since Kelly/Reich. 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I'm amazed because Derek Anderson never helped develop himself. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Check out this little clip today from Carson Palmer on the rookie QBs: Coming from an established QB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDTjEpe8AZ4 6 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Check out this little clip today from Carson Palmer on the rookie QBs: Coming from an established QB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDTjEpe8AZ4 Wow, strong statement. That said, that is Jordan Palmer's brother. But I think he's being sincere. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Wow, strong statement. That said, that is Jordan Palmer's brother. But I think he's being sincere. Jordan trained both Sam and Josh leading up to the draft. So for Carson to put Allen ahead of Darnold is good to hear from a former QB. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, billieve420 said: Jordan trained both Sam and Josh leading up to the draft. So for Carson to put Allen ahead of Darnold is good to hear from a former QB. To to be sure, I thought he was a little harsh on Baker Mayfield though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Check out this little clip today from Carson Palmer on the rookie QBs: Coming from an established QB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDTjEpe8AZ4 I wish I could hear the whole conversation. That was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: To to be sure, I thought he was a little harsh on Baker Mayfield though. Harsh but possibly true. He was a polished 5 year starter coming into the NFL last year. He is still a really good QB in this league even if he doesn’t improve much from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, billspro said: Harsh but possibly true. He was a polished 5 year starter coming into the NFL last year. He is still a really good QB in this league even if he doesn’t improve much from here on out. The jump from first and second-year could be a lot or a little, we'll know soon enough but I think the kid still has upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: The jump from first and second-year could be a lot or a little, we'll know soon enough but I think the kid still has upside. He may not get a lot better, but geesh, he is pretty darn good right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I remember asking Sal on the point after why we didn’t just place him on IR, and he made a good point the coaching staff from top to bottom DA’s achievement of preparing Allen on top of the staff, and would bring up excellent points in prepping for the next appointment. i can see why extended him for next year, maybe he takes a year off with family and goes into being a QB coach. Barkley seems like a good second string player, and neither are expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: It's amazing to think that we are entering the off-season with a completely stable QB room for the first time since Kelly/Reich. Well in a way I hope there is competition still next year but yes it's a good thing. Remember all the talk on here of how McD , Daboll & the Bills brass couldn't develop a young QB? IDK how good or not they are at this, but I cringed at the knee-jerk statements because of the Bills past when this staff is new. So far they seem to be doing a good job, for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Well in a way I hope there is competition still next year but yes it's a good thing. Remember all the talk on here of how McD , Daboll & the Bills brass couldn't develop a young QB? IDK how good or not they are at this, but I cringed at the knee-jerk statements because of the Bills past when this staff is new. So far they seem to be doing a good job, for sure. Why? You think Barkley, Anderson or a rookie would be a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) The funny part is, while he played Anderson was a guy with loads of physical talent but the head of a cave man. Somehow now he is this intellectual, thinking mans - QB coach in a helmet? It really is confusing. It simply is the fact that almost every veteran QB “gets it” after time. If you look at almost any qb that has been in the nfl for over 9 or 10 years...they will probably be very capable of running a professional offense at an acceptable level. That’s why I always want that Kyle Orton guy on the team. They won’t wow you with flash but they know where the ball has to go AND when it has to be there. A QBs job is probably 80% before the snap. The young guys usually just don’t have enough information library to make intelligent presnap decisions. That’s why the Eagles play better with Foles. There is no way to measure what I am saying, but it’s true. This offense was completely different when both DA or Barkley played. The ball was out quick and I bet if you asked Dabol, it went to the guy it should go to. Allen is crazy talented and fun to watch and overall made a lot of great plays. But the way the offense looked with him was night and day. Sometimes in a good way. Anderson knows what will work, he’s just not physically capable of delivering it personally. Hopefully he can stuff that into a more capable vessel in Josh Allen. There is a funny balance that goes on (for a qb) where physical ability diminishes as mental capability increases. The longer those two things are lined up on an acceptable level, the bigger our “window” will last. Edited January 5, 2019 by Brianmoorman4jesus 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: It's amazing to think that we are entering the off-season with a completely stable QB room for the first time since Kelly/Reich. Yeas, it’s a nice feeling going into the offseason. Additionally, with the money to spend and available draft picks a number of other needs should be addressed. If the Bills draft well again, play the FA market wisely and find a gem or two in the UDFA pool we could have a very young and very good roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Green Lightning said: To to be sure, I thought he was a little harsh on Baker Mayfield though. I thought he was a lot harsh on Baker. I think Baker is a smart driven talented athlete and he has a shot to be Drew Brees great. If he fails, it will be because of his hot head and the backfiring of his motivational technique (gathering up everything negative said about him). You can bet Mayfield has a tape loop of that interview somewhere he can listen as motivation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Green Lightning said: Wow, strong statement. That said, that is Jordan Palmer's brother. But I think he's being sincere. How often do you hear Carson referred to as "Jordan's brother?" That being said, Carson Palmer seems relatively no nonsense and I take his words to be sincere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 hours ago, cle23 said: I'm amazed because Derek Anderson never helped develop himself. Derek Anderson had a very Alex-Smith like trajectory his first 5 years in the league. He wasn't a very good QB. He did have an OK season his second year. If he'd been able to build on that, he woulda been OK but like a lot of young guys, he probably let it go to his head plus he struggled with injuries in preseason then got IR'd. Alex Smith was drafted in the 1st so he had to prove to the 49ers he couldn't play football; Anderson was drafted in the 6th round so he had to prove he could play football, and his leash was short. When he wound up in Carolina and had to take a seat behind Wonderboy Cam Newton, Anderson likely figured out that if he was going to stay in the league, it would be with his head, not his hands so he got busy. I'm with Beane, my only concern about Anderson is why it took the Bills so long to figure out that a veteran presence who had actually played was needed in the QB room. Beane acknowledges this now as a mistake. The other concern I have is about Daboll. If he needs Anderson to be saying (as Beane quotes) " ‘You know what, that sounds great, that’s drawn up well, but the problem is when you do this.’ .... “Derek’s not only helped Josh, but he’s helped our coaches in the game-planning, as well.” ....let's just say that doesn't give me a great warm fuzzy about our OC - except, I do give Daboll credit for being man enough to accept that kind of feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Many times the best coaches were the ones that were marginal players. To gain the success they had as a player they had to study the game a lot more. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Many times the best coaches were the ones that were marginal players. To gain the success they had as a player they had to study the game a lot more. True words. People always like to look at a great player like Kelly and say "wouldn't it be great if he would coach" but I think a lot of the time a true great does things naturally and by instinct, and can't really break down or explain what they're doing - certainly true physically, may be true for reading the field and progressions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Many times the best coaches were the ones that were marginal players. To gain the success they had as a player they had to study the game a lot more. Outside of Dick Lebeau and Charlie Joiner, I'm stuggling to remember many successful Bills coaches who were HOF caliber players. Frazier was pretty good too before injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, jlgarsh said: Outside of Dick Lebeau and Charlie Joiner, I'm stuggling to remember many successful Bills coaches who were HOF caliber players. Frazier was pretty good too before injuries I'd have to look back. But in many sports you can look at guys who either never played in the bigs or had less than star careers. Think of baseball with guys like Weaver, LaRussa, LaSorda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: How often do you hear Carson referred to as "Jordan's brother?" That being said, Carson Palmer seems relatively no nonsense and I take his words to be sincere. Umm, I think that's what I said. 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought he was a lot harsh on Baker. I think Baker is a smart driven talented athlete and he has a shot to be Drew Brees great. If he fails, it will be because of his hot head and the backfiring of his motivational technique (gathering up everything negative said about him). You can bet Mayfield has a tape loop of that interview somewhere he can listen as motivation. As I said, this kid's got a lot of upside. Accurate, aggressive, smart and motivated. Great arm talent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 That's a lot of words to essentially print a quote. It probably should have been a tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 The guy with the second comment is ridiculous. How can he say Allen showed no improvement throughout the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Pretty obvious to me. When listening to people talking about Allen, the first question needs to be how many Bills games has he watched? The vast majority of media heads that watch as many games as they can come away glowing of Allen. Allen is the best Qb Buffalo has had in 20 years. How they attack this off season will determine the next 5 years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) On 1/4/2019 at 11:06 PM, Green Lightning said: The jump from first and second-year could be a lot or a little, we'll know soon enough but I think the kid still has upside. Statistically, I didn't realize how impressive his rookie year was. Conservatively speaking, even if it's a small jump Baker's gonna be a ~30TD ~4,000yd guy in his second year. If that's his floor, I'd be quite happy if I'm a Browns fan. I think he's easily got 40 TD 4,500YD potential given the way the league is trending. Edited January 6, 2019 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 11:07 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought he was a lot harsh on Baker. I think Baker is a smart driven talented athlete and he has a shot to be Drew Brees great. If he fails, it will be because of his hot head and the backfiring of his motivational technique (gathering up everything negative said about him). You can bet Mayfield has a tape loop of that interview somewhere he can listen as motivation. I was just going to chime in and say something similar. Baker has IT. Allen has IT. That drive and desire to just beat the ***** out of the opponent. That doesn’t come along all that often at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 9:14 PM, cle23 said: I'm amazed because Derek Anderson never helped develop himself. Just because Anderson was a average player that doesn't mean he cannot be a good teacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 8:04 AM, machine gun kelly said: I remember asking Sal on the point after why we didn’t just place him on IR, and he made a good point the coaching staff from top to bottom DA’s achievement of preparing Allen on top of the staff, and would bring up excellent points in prepping for the next appointment. i can see why extended him for next year, maybe he takes a year off with family and goes into being a QB coach. Barkley seems like a good second string player, and neither are expensive. this is all reasonable and perhaps smart on the part of the Bills. I would like to think so : ) Nice OP ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Just because Anderson was a average player that doesn't mean he cannot be a good teacher. tis fact. Team building takes a coordination of putting different types together and making a great soup. I felt Anderson was going to become a fine mentor wherever he went. and i do not think the "plan" was to have him see the field honestly. As Beane mentioned , he owned much of the errors made with his risk taking at QB. Allen has proven he is the future Now all the Horses will be pulling in the same direction. that is a good thing. Edited January 6, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, stony said: Statistically, I didn't realize how impressive his rookie year was. Conservatively speaking, even if it's a small jump Baker's gonna be a ~30TD ~4,000yd guy in his second year. If that's his floor, I'd be quite happy if I'm a Browns fan. I think he's easily got 40 TD 4,500YD potential given the way the league is trending. All valid. Cleveland's got some horses on at team right now so anything's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jerome007 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 10:32 AM, Doc said: Why? You think Barkley, Anderson or a rookie would be a better option? No. I meant competition for the #2 & 3 spots. No doubt for me Josh is #1. If no one ousts Barkley or Anderson, I'm fine with it too. But competition is good! (Well unless it takes away all these reps with the #1 team away from Allen like last offseason...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 10:14 PM, cle23 said: I'm amazed because Derek Anderson never helped develop himself. The sign of a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 10:17 PM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Check out this little clip today from Carson Palmer on the rookie QBs: Coming from an established QB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDTjEpe8AZ4 But...his college completion percentage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 "Video Cant be played in your country." Thanks Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The sign of a great coach. It's amazing how people act like they have never heard the expression "those who can't do, teach" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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