from_dunkirk Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001007053/article/top-25-nfl-rookies-of-2018-saquon-barkley-leads-final-rankings 1. Saquon Barkley 2. Baker Mayfield 3. Derwin James 4. Darius Leonard 5. Bradley Chubb 6. Quenton Nelson 7. Phillip Lindsay 8. Leighton Vander Esch 9. Nick Chubb 10. Denzel Ward 11. Roquan Smith 12. Lamar Jackson 13. Sam Darnold 14. Josh Allen "Allen used his legs and big arm to keep the Bills competitive despite a very suspect offensive line and nondescript weapons in the passing game. 15. Tremaine Edmunds "Edmunds has rare size for his position and he was ultra-productive for the Bills this fall." 16. Mike McGlinchey 17. Calvin Ridley 18. Jaire Alexander 19. Anthony Miller 20. Sony Michel 21. Donte Jackson 22. Fred Warner 23. B.J. Hill 24. Michael Dickson 25. Braden Smith Between the two above players listed, the NFL posted a video of Josh's top 10 plays from 2018. I suspect his throw to Clay at Miami would have been the top play had Clay caught the ball. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000001006887/Josh-Allen-s-top-10-plays-2018-season Edited January 3, 2019 by from_dunkirk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. True. It's all about big names, and the big names were built in college. FOr example, I haven't seen a lot of Darnold and Jackson, but I'd take Allen over both in a heartbeat. I know Jackson has been phenomenal running, but I have trouble seeing a long term future for him. I've never seen a lot of discussion around here about why the Bills took Edmunds instead of Vander Esch. I suppose the answer is that Edmunds had the greater upside, but Vander Esch has looked spectacular when I've seen him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I've never seen a lot of discussion around here about why the Bills took Edmunds instead of Vander Esch. I suppose the answer is that Edmunds had the greater upside, but Vander Esch has looked spectacular when I've seen him. I think both teams won on that front......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: I think both teams won on that front......... Dallas won - they only used one draft pick; we used two! Edited January 3, 2019 by ticketssince61 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Rosen didn’t even make the list.... 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sblesq Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Exhibit A that the NFL list is heavily weighed toward name/draft position and not performance-https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/02/pff-pro-football-focus-levi-wallace-is-nfls-best-rookie-corner-taron-johnson-sean-mcdermott/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. Big shout out to Levi, who has gone from a walk on to starter on Alabama's NC team, to being an UDFA who may be at the top of this year's class. Great to see someone on the Bills from Tucson making it big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I would agree with some of the list. The Lamar hype is hilarious to me. Ravens are running a legit high school offense and it’s working for a few games and the hype train chugs along. Id like to see what he does say losing by 14 if he can actually run an offense throwing the ball to get them back in the game. Not hating on the guy but they’re basically just running the wildcat with some interesting pulling formations from the lineman and teams are having trouble adjusting, don’t think that’s gonna work well in the playoffs. Some of the list is just name hype and draft positions. Some are legit stars in the making 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: True. It's all about big names, and the big names were built in college. FOr example, I haven't seen a lot of Darnold and Jackson, but I'd take Allen over both in a heartbeat. I know Jackson has been phenomenal running, but I have trouble seeing a long term future for him. I've never seen a lot of discussion around here about why the Bills took Edmunds instead of Vander Esch. I suppose the answer is that Edmunds had the greater upside, but Vander Esch has looked spectacular when I've seen him. Look at the stats other than tackles particularly the stats that revolve around passing situations and you will have your answer. Also Edmonds commands the D. Edited January 3, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Edmunds is ranked above Ridley (64-821-10)? That doesn't at all jibe with the 'Edmunds is terrible/worst player on the field/pushed my grandmother down the stairs' threads I've seen here all season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 So Jackson plays only like 3 games and gets ranked higher than Allen? Good thing these rankings have no meaning behind it, because in the long run, everyone is gonna say that our Bills got the best QB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Jackson ahead of Allen and Darnold is silly 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. I’d be it has to do with snaps played. Ward has a much bigger sample size and that should sure count for something. Notably PFF had Nick Chubb as the RB with the best rating. He was first not only amongst rookies, but all RBs. Barkley was ranked 2nd among rookies and 3rd among all RBs. Yet Barkley is 1st on the list above and Chubb is 9th. That’s likely because Barkley has twice the touches that Chubb had. PFF noted exactly that when they named Barkley the best rookie RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. To be fair Ward played most of the season and Wallace only played part way. I think had T.Johnson not missed time he would have been in the top 25 too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: So Jackson plays only like 3 games and gets ranked higher than Allen? Good thing these rankings have no meaning behind it, because in the long run, everyone is gonna say that our Bills got the best QB in the draft. 7 games as full time QB. Still, it’s difficult to think that ranking is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: To be fair Ward played most of the season and Wallace only played part way. I think had T.Johnson not missed time he would have been in the top 25 too. Denzel Ward made the pro bowl. He’s a legit CB1. I love Levi Wallace potential but different players and as you mention different sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Sblesq said: Exhibit A that the NFL list is heavily weighed toward name/draft position and not performance-https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/02/pff-pro-football-focus-levi-wallace-is-nfls-best-rookie-corner-taron-johnson-sean-mcdermott/ The NFL is a marketing organization. This is a marketing list. Any relation to football talent is purely coincidental... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 list seems almost too fair from a Bills perspective. Still, if my QB Options are Sam, Josh and Lamar even with hindsight, I am still taking Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Edmunds is ranked above Ridley (64-821-10)? That doesn't at all jibe with the 'Edmunds is terrible/worst player on the field/pushed my grandmother down the stairs' threads I've seen here all season. You are not blocking right people then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seems very fair to me. Funny how PFF recently ranked Levi Wallace as the highest ranked rookie CB, way ahead of Denzel Ward who is at #10. This list seems to be a lot of name recognition factor here, rd 1 picks esp, they aren't to interested in guys taken after rd 2 most less a UDFA. I’m as pumped for Levi Wallace and his future as anyone on here, but you’re not being fair. PFF grade ppl on % positive plays without taking into account the volume of plays or who they were playing. Ward was their CB#1 playing almost every down against the other teams top WRs. Levi worked into the game in situational circumstances. Most the time it was an almost certain passing down, and was rarely against a genuine #1 WR bc Tre almost always covered the true #1s. He didn’t even play the first 9 games of the year. So, Levi is promising for sure, but did not have a better year than Ward, who won AFC ROTW for 2 of the first 5 weeks of the season, and played as their #1 CB all year. Edited January 4, 2019 by Bill Murray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 That draft looks like it produced a ton of defensive stats. Edmunds Is in good company at that spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I'm surprised Foster didn't even get a mention based on his performance from week 10 on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, from_dunkirk said: I suspect his throw to Clay at Miami would have been the top play had Clay caught the ball. In hindsight, with the 7 draft slots he “earned” us, it was the most beneficial play clay has made for this franchise in his 4 years as a bill. Edited January 4, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Who cares!!!! is just like the power rankings, some tool trying to generate clicks. My play is to watch next season and watch #14 & #15 dominate with more talent around them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke No, it’s not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: Dallas won - they only used one draft pick; we used two! yea I was a fan of the pick not the trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill Murray said: I’m as pumped for Levi Wallace and his future as anyone on here, but you’re not being fair. PFF grade ppl on % positive plays without taking into account the volume of plays or who they were playing. Ward was their CB#1 playing almost every down against the other teams top WRs. Levi worked into the game in situational circumstances. Most the time it was an almost certain passing down, and was rarely against a genuine #1 WR bc Tre almost always covered the true #1s. He didn’t even play the first 9 games of the year. So, Levi is promising for sure, but did not have a better year than Ward, who won AFC ROTW for 2 of the first 5 weeks of the season, and played as their #1 CB all year. All very valid points. If i could would i trade Denzel for Wallace, yes right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking. Dude was a beast the last half of the season. Outside of maybe Barkley he might have been the best back the last 8 games of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Quickly eyeballing it, Colts have two in the top 10 and 3 in top 25. That and getting Luck back explains the turnaround. Browns have three in the top 10, including a QB. I didn't see anyone other than the Bills and Bears with two in the top 20. So on that list, the Bills are big winners compared to most the league. And if they were big winners, it means they have their two most important positions filled for next ten years. That's HUGE. Think about that - McBeane don't have to worry about a QB or an MLB for ten years. Belichick had it at QB, but no place on his defense. Bills need good coaching and good role players. Imagine a future where the Browns and Bills fight for AFC supremacy year after year. Like the Pats and the Colts, or the Pats and the Steelers. It's not so far-fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: Jackson ahead of Allen and Darnold is silly He’s in the playoffs, that’s all they care about. Also, you never hear about him running non stop and not throwing. Black qb stigma to white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Nick Chubb ahead of Darnold and Allen (even Jackson). What a joke You have to be kidding me! Nick Chubb had a great season for a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: Jackson ahead of Allen and Darnold is silly He gets credit for going 6-1 as a starter. I wonder if the surrounding cast, you know, all the OTHER players on the team in a team sport, might make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 They used the 7th and 16th pick to get the guys so the value looks ok to me!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Quickly eyeballing it, Colts have two in the top 10 and 3 in top 25. That and getting Luck back explains the turnaround. Browns have three in the top 10, including a QB. I didn't see anyone other than the Bills and Bears with two in the top 20. So on that list, the Bills are big winners compared to most the league. And if they were big winners, it means they have their two most important positions filled for next ten years. That's HUGE. Think about that - McBeane don't have to worry about a QB or an MLB for ten years. Belichick had it at QB, but no place on his defense. Bills need good coaching and good role players. Imagine a future where the Browns and Bills fight for AFC supremacy year after year. Like the Pats and the Colts, or the Pats and the Steelers. It's not so far-fetched. Actually, given the age of Edmunds, and the state of the league, these guys could easily be around more like 12-15+ years. Long way to go, so I won’t get too giddy, but I loved the progress they showed over the course of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking. 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: No, it’s not. 53 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Dude was a beast the last half of the season. Outside of maybe Barkley he might have been the best back the last 8 games of the season. 1 minute ago, Iverwig said: You have to be kidding me! Nick Chubb had a great season for a rookie. No. It's a plug and play position. You can't compare it to being rookie QB. I t would make no sense to even attempt to. The guy was the 3rd best rookie this year---behind UDFA rookie Lindsay. After the bye, he had 2 games over 100 yards....and had 3 games where he rushed for 3.0, 3.4 and 2.7 yards. Those are not "beast" numbers... Josh Allen was a better rusher than Chubb in the last 6 weeks of the season... Again, he doesn't belong ahead of Allen (at least). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2018 draft class is quality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I would agree with some of the list. The Lamar hype is hilarious to me. Ravens are running a legit high school offense and it’s working for a few games and the hype train chugs along. Id like to see what he does say losing by 14 if he can actually run an offense throwing the ball to get them back in the game. Not hating on the guy but they’re basically just running the wildcat with some interesting pulling formations from the lineman and teams are having trouble adjusting, don’t think that’s gonna work well in the playoffs. Some of the list is just name hype and draft positions. Some are legit stars in the making Lamar Jackson seems to be a larger Tyrod Taylor clone. He'll win you some games; he won't win you THE game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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