BillsFanForever19 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I like Phillips - but I don't know if this gets done. I have this feeling that someone will offer more than we will be wanting to spend on him. That we're looking at him as part of a rotation and that someone will sign him to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: I offer two years, 2.25 million per. You wont get him for that I believe. 11 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Just because he's a true "bad ass"...I would go 2yr-6mill.He 's a bit of loose cannon but don't we need that?I want that defense to be ugly..smashmouth.. I think you would have to go 8 to 10 on a 2 year deal. 4.5 garaunteed. We run a rotation but he is legit starting material. Edited February 8, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: You wont get him for that I believe. I think you would have to go 8 to 10 on a 2 year deal. 4.5 garaunteed. I think this is spot on. There really is no downside to "overpaying" when you are talking about such low cap hits. He won't get more than two years, I think, anywhere else. For those numbers, its worth seeing if he turns into a real contributor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 If they pay him like Star L this is a bad move, if they pay him half of what Star is making its at least solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Wonder why there is a delay. This should have been done a while ago. We do need him. I hope they add some disincentives for unsportsmanlike penalties. I like it that he plays on edge and gives it his all - but there were some bonehead plays like in the Miami game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 This would be a good pick up as long as he doesn't think he's worth more than what he is which is normally the case . This off season there are plenty to choose from in FA at the same position that are much better than he is at this point of his career the only thing is they will cost much more money so if they can get him at a reasonable contract then draft a rookie that would be their best plan for the future . Which Bean probably already has that figured out ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Since we paid Star $10,000,000 per last offseason I think it is foolish to believe Phillips remains with us for anything much less comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, H2o said: Since we paid Star $10,000,000 per last offseason I think it is foolish to believe Phillips remains with us for anything much less comparable. I think this is what the hold up is. If Beane can convince him of a 2 yr show us deal at around 10 mil it would be good . He should be assured that he is young and if he proves himself he'll get good money either here or on the open market. Star got the contract he got because he is like a hairball in the shower drain and he's been good at it a long time. Phillips needs to continue his improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, H2o said: Since we paid Star $10,000,000 per last offseason I think it is foolish to believe Phillips remains with us for anything much less comparable. If he thinks he's gonna get anywhere near that, he's nuts. He played only 26% of all defensive snaps last season. He might receive a nice deal for what he is - a rotational player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, blacklabel said: If he thinks he's gonna get anywhere near that, he's nuts. He played only 26% of all defensive snaps last season. He might receive a nice deal for what he is - a rotational player. We paid 10 mill per to a guy who had lost his starting position in Carolina and had a decline in production the previous 2 years before that. If you think Phillips is going to return to this team for anything much less comparable then you are sadly mistaken. Especially when the guy knows he is going to be leaned on more heavily because of Kyle's retirement. We created our own problem here by giving Star that contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Making too much of a deal out of a rotational guy who shouldn't be paid more than 2 million dollars a year. He is a average to slightly above average player, who just happened to get cut from the team that drafted him. The delay is the Bills offering him what he is worth, and he and his agent waiting to see if they get more in the open market. It's a good Defensive Tackle class, and the Bills should be playing this slow. No need to rush over Jordan Phillips. He is fun to watch, but having him or not having him wont make much of a difference overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I'd keep him if possible - seems like a solid addition to the rotation. We'll still need a major snaps guy at 3-tech, but he at least provides some solid depth. He batted a few passes down IIRC, which is a huge benefit. If Lawson continues to roll inside on pass rushing downs, it'd be nice to also add another pass rusher. Murphy had some injury issues, but theoretically he could bounce back. Also looking at depth backers in free agency. Thompsons play was very uninspiring, and Stanford was barely a JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, H2o said: We paid 10 mill per to a guy who had lost his starting position in Carolina and had a decline in production the previous 2 years before that. If you think Phillips is going to return to this team for anything much less comparable then you are sadly mistaken. Especially when the guy knows he is going to be leaned on more heavily because of Kyle's retirement. We created our own problem here by giving Star that contract. Hahah, ok. There is no team out there that is going to give a guy $10 million a year to play a quarter of the defensive snaps. Lotulelei is being paid for more than just his on-field work. He's here to be a leader and a role model for a young team. He's a selfless, team-first guy and isn't concerned about showing up on the stat sheet each week. He has a specific role and they assign him specific tasks where he's not always the one making the tackle or getting the sack but he's doing what he's supposed to be doing and helping this defense run the way it's supposed to run. And I can't see any "problems" created by signing Lotulelei. They've cleared all the dead cap, they have plenty of money to throw around right now. Star's contract is not negatively impacting what they do whatsoever. Seems like you're trying to create problems that aren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I think he's looking for $6-$7 M a year range. I think we are looking to give him $4-$5M a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) does this keep our whole defense intact? Except Kyle of course. Edited February 8, 2019 by Jasovon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Hahah, ok. There is no team out there that is going to give a guy $10 million a year to play a quarter of the defensive snaps. Lotulelei is being paid for more than just his on-field work. He's here to be a leader and a role model for a young team. He's a selfless, team-first guy and isn't concerned about showing up on the stat sheet each week. He has a specific role and they assign him specific tasks where he's not always the one making the tackle or getting the sack but he's doing what he's supposed to be doing and helping this defense run the way it's supposed to run. And I can't see any "problems" created by signing Lotulelei. They've cleared all the dead cap, they have plenty of money to throw around right now. Star's contract is not negatively impacting what they do whatsoever. Seems like you're trying to create problems that aren't there. I'm not saying another team is going to give him $10,000,000 per. I am saying that we dug the hole for ourselves when we gave Star $10,000,000 per. You can throw out all of the niceties and rah-rah about Star you want, but I would bet money Star's contract is the basis of Phillips' demands. Unless we offer him something comparable he will not be back in a Bills uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: Since we paid Star $10,000,000 per last offseason I think it is foolish to believe Phillips remains with us for anything much less comparable. Absolutely ridiculous to pay a marginal rotational player this kind of cash. You guys are desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, ndirish1978 said: Absolutely ridiculous to pay a marginal rotational player this kind of cash. You guys are desperate. I wouldn't give him that. I'm just saying I think that is the hold up with him signing here. I think his agent is saying if you see Star as being worth $10,000,000 per season then my client is worth more than you're offering. I think he signs elsewhere in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: We paid 10 mill per to a guy who had lost his starting position in Carolina and had a decline in production the previous 2 years before that. If you think Phillips is going to return to this team for anything much less comparable then you are sadly mistaken. Especially when the guy knows he is going to be leaned on more heavily because of Kyle's retirement. We created our own problem here by giving Star that contract. Well then we sign someone else. You ever hear of supply and demand. The draft and FA is full of quality DTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Well then we sign someone else. You ever hear of supply and demand. The draft and FA is full of quality DTs. Exactly, and that's what I believe we will do tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, H2o said: Exactly, and that's what I believe we will do tbh. But as the article above states, why would any team give him that much (assuming that’s what he’s asking for) given the number of DTs available in the draft and FA? How do we even know the percentage of snaps he would play here in 2019 with the changes on the DL and/or that it would be significantly more on another team? I don’t think he will get a big contract anywhere, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: But as the article above states, why would any team give him that much (assuming that’s what he’s asking for) given the number of DTs available in the draft and FA? How do we even know the percentage of snaps he would play here in 2019 with the changes on the DL and/or that it would be significantly more on another team? I don’t think he will get a big contract anywhere, personally. When motivated this guy is a BEAST........ So now we go back to how Miami released him....what were the circumstances behind hit because when he came to us he has a "chip on his shoulder" We need to handle this in a way that he will forever have that chip and not get content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: When motivated this guy is a BEAST........ So now we go back to how Miami released him....what were the circumstances behind hit because when he came to us he has a "chip on his shoulder" We need to handle this in a way that he will forever have that chip and not get content Sure - but I don’t get why his value is higher elsewhere than in Buffalo as some others stated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I am indifferent either way if he signs or not. A decent role player who can be replaced. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) On 2/8/2019 at 12:16 PM, H2o said: Exactly, and that's what I believe we will do tbh. They may have made him an offer and werent close so they told him to test the market and get back to them. That sort of thing. On 2/8/2019 at 12:47 PM, YoloinOhio said: But as the article above states, why would any team give him that much (assuming that’s what he’s asking for) given the number of DTs available in the draft and FA? How do we even know the percentage of snaps he would play here in 2019 with the changes on the DL and/or that it would be significantly more on another team? I don’t think he will get a big contract anywhere, personally. The price for DTs is likely going to be down this year. I believe you are correct, there will be some disappointed DTs this offseason. Edited February 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I will never question his talent. But it does seem like he doesn’t always want to be a team guy. It should be a huge red flag Miami released a guy that early who was drafted that high. He could have really hurt us in the Miami game where he tried to make it all about himself. that said, I’d rather have a guy with too much fire than not enough. But I would be careful with paying him too much right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 hours ago, H2o said: Since we paid Star $10,000,000 per last offseason I think it is foolish to believe Phillips remains with us for anything much less comparable. The guy was waived from a contract he was making a little over 1 million a year on. We claimed him and did I read right that he played only one-third of the defensive snaps? Giving this guy anywhere near 10 million a year would be so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, billieve420 said: I am indifferent either way if he signs or not. A decent role player who can be replaced. Mentally,I think every team needs a few "high motor" guys in the locker room,outside of Hughes and Phillips..we're empty.Although those 15 yard penalties need to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: They may have made him an offer and werent close so they told him to test the arket and get back to them. That sort of thing. The price for DTs is likely going to be down this year. I believe you are correct, there will be some disappointed DTs this offseason. Yeah -There is no way he’s not good enough to be more of a rotational guy here, but he is elsewhere. As if our DL is some kind of force ... also losing Kyle... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah -There is no way he’s not good enough to be more of a rotational guy here, but he is elsewhere. As if our DL is some kind of force ... also losing Kyle... I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't re-sign J Phillips. Who's left at the position? Star is a "space eater" and H. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet. We need help on the DLINE and are in no position to let a decent player get away. Just makes DT even MORE of a priority which means one less allocation of resources to the offense. Even if we keep Phillips, we still need a playmaker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: The guy was waived from a contract he was making a little over 1 million a year on. We claimed him and did I read right that he played only one-third of the defensive snaps? Giving this guy anywhere near 10 million a year would be so stupid. ..certainly agree BOE....Kyle was paid $5.5 mil as a rotational guy, but as a 13 yr vet whose Bflo career is unsurpassed.....$5.5 mil for TWO years is more like it.....seem to remember some other troubled Fin OBD took on who did clean up his act and perform.......until "pop went the mainspring"...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't re-sign J Phillips. Who's left at the position? Star is a "space eater" and H. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet. We need help on the DLINE and are in no position to let a decent player get away. Just makes DT even MORE of a priority which means one less allocation of resources to the offense. Even if we keep Phillips, we still need a playmaker. Seeing J Phillips blow up the Dolphins line at will just because he was an out of control maniac (getting flags and benched) was enough for me. He's a solid depth piece to keep around.. and he looks like he can turn on the jets any given game and take over an OL when his emotions are dialed in. I was a fan after that Dolphins game, not because of the flags, but simply seeing him get to the backfield at will 3 consecutive plays just because he hates his old team showed me at worst he's solid depth, at best he's stomping around the backfield looking for the carrier like Godzilla. Could have had a phenomenal game at Dolphins and changed this whole conversation based on that if he wasn't being such a jackwagon lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Seeing J Phillips blow up the Dolphins line at will just because he was an out of control maniac (getting flags and benched) was enough for me. He's a solid depth piece to keep around.. and he looks like he can turn on the jets any given game and take over an OL when his emotions are dialed in. I was a fan after that Dolphins game, not because of the flags, but simply seeing him get to the backfield at will 3 consecutive plays just because he hates his old team showed me at worst he's solid depth, at best he's stomping around the backfield looking for the carrier like Godzilla. Could have had a phenomenal game at Dolphins and changed this whole conversation based on that if he wasn't being such a jackwagon lol. Jim Leyland had a great saying; you need a couple dirtbags on your team. Where better than defensive line to have a few dirtbags? Some of these dollar figures are nothing but speculation. If he's looking for anything more than 5 mil, probably need to pass. I don't see his stock being particularly high around the league. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 A lot of love on here for a guy who was rated the 108th dt in the league this year on pff. Say what you want about pff but 108th out of 113? This guy can easily be replaced I think and the Bills would be foolish to offer too much. Especially with fa and the draft both being pretty deep at the position. What the Bills really need on the line is a 3tech who can disrupt the backfield from the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: When motivated this guy is a BEAST........ So now we go back to how Miami released him....what were the circumstances behind hit because when he came to us he has a "chip on his shoulder" We need to handle this in a way that he will forever have that chip and not get content Yeah, he will probably NEVER be more motivated than he was last season for the Bills. Maybe a “miracle maturation”, but buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Yeah, he will probably NEVER be more motivated than he was last season for the Bills. Maybe a “miracle maturation”, but buyer beware. ..uh oh Augie.....smellin' that same Miami "Richie Connection" later on?....Richie did perform for awhile.........then "there goes the wheels"............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Lock up Phillips so we can concentrate on fixing our offense... enough. I don't care how many DTs are available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 hours ago, billieve420 said: I am indifferent either way if he signs or not. A decent role player who can be replaced. True. I don't believe him to be a starter but he'd be a solid depth player in a heavy rotation scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 hours ago, blacklabel said: If he thinks he's gonna get anywhere near that, he's nuts. He played only 26% of all defensive snaps last season. He might receive a nice deal for what he is - a rotational player. It was only 26% because he wasn't on the team for the first 4 games. He played about 35% of the Bills D snaps for the games Phillips was actually on the team. In the 12 games Phillips played compare to the first 4, The Bills gave up less yards / game 304 v 358, less points / game 22.3 v 26.5, and had a better winning %. Yes I know there are many other factors. But my point is the Bills were better off with him than whoever was in his place before. After losing Kyle, and with all the other holes the team needs to fill, I would like to see Phillips back on the team for 2019 and beyond. He's 26 years old so should be in his prime. I don't pretend to know what the going rate is for a good but not great D tackle. If the Bills paid in $5 million / year or even a bit more for a few years I would rather that, than lose him. Hard to say that Star is worth twice as much as Phillips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 i sure hope they re sign him. 2 yrs. at 11 mil. 5 per plus 1 mil. bonus. i think that's fair for the team and for him as a 2 yr. deal will get him to play his butt off and possibly get a bigger payday soon. that being said, i hope they grab sheldon richardson and inject him with whatever j. phillips is taking on a short term prove it deal. i really think he could be a great help on the inside. i would like to see the bills take 2 edge guys in the draft. montez sweat and o. ximines, late 1st (after trade down(s) and late 3rd or early 4th....i'm guessing. this would give us 2 outstanding pass rushers to have lorax and hughes groom for the future. if all this were to happen, i'd go bpa dt somewhere later in the draft. we also can kick shaq inside with trent and lorax splitting time at end. i don't think we'll get a shot at oliver and i know this draft is dt heavy, but getting those 2 edge guys would set us up nicely for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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