Bill_with_it Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 A wr who doesnt give up on plays, a wr who hates to lose to a cb, a wr who will learn his craft in order to be an asset of the team instead of a liability (kb, etc), and finally one that comes prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I agree, we've had only 2 true #1 wrs in the history of the team. Ironically Tim said in the 1990’s the Bills has 2 #1 WRs in Andre Reed and James Lofton. If anything, I’d say Lofton was a true #2 on those teams. 6 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: So many BBMB "Stevie Johnson" argument flashbacks right now....? I totally understand why. It’s not an easy answer to determine whether Stevie was #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Simple: a receiver that your opponent has to draw up a game plan in order to stop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Nobody ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) A #1 receiver is one that can consistently beat opponents’ best secondary defenders. Welker was brought up earlier; I wouldn’t consider him a #1 by that criteria since he consistenty lined up in the slot. Definitely one of the best slot (#3?) receivers of all time though. He mastered the kinds of routes those guys need to run. Edited December 16, 2018 by JoPar_v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 6 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: So many BBMB "Stevie Johnson" argument flashbacks right now....? To me, a #1 wr is each team's " go to" guy. Gets the most targets and is looked to when as the leader of the wr group.As sad as this is, he was our #1 for a couple of years. Would he have been for other teams? For most, no. But he was for us those 2-3 yrs. It's harder to gauge on a team that spreads it out a lot(Pats, Rams, etc.). If I was a fan of any of these teams and watched them exclusively, I could probably point him out. Sure you want size and speed, but it's someone the qb trusts in every situation. Tough question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Nobody ... For football generations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Requires defense to gameplan to stop. Require a double team more often than not. Wins 1 on 1 majority of times. We have no one like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Good example today, Golladay. He was getting a lot of hype like he was a 1WR. Look what good corners do to him. Watch it again with Tre. A true number one WR isn’t going to be completed eliminated by a good corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 BIlls need to know what a #2 and #3 WR looks like they dont even know what one of those are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Thelin, yes. Welker, no. I'd peg Hopkins for best hands. Hopkins made that play in the endzone last night, with 2 mins left in the game, even though he was held and covered well. I think that's what makes a true #1. Everyone knew he was the target, they held him and blanketed him and it didnt really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: So you are saying we need a true WR1? Haha yes I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Sometimes these things are best understood by reviewing the converse. For example. Kelvin Benjamin is not a true #1 receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I mean #1 literally means the first option. And certain passing concepts and schemes value different skill sets. The Patriots flat out spread you thin and then attack the middle of the field. That’s what they do now. If they had a big time WR on the outside and Edelman in the slot, they still are going to go to the underneath guy most of the time. It’s a rhythm on time passing game. They should just classify WR as “inside guys” and “outside guys” They are quite different. Right, but it seems that the conversation is more “franchise wr” than “1st read” i think most most of us can agree a randy moss and an Edelman are very different types and would have very different values in the league in their prime. Where do you draw the line between those? Full route trees, size, speed, hands, beat elite talent or doubles, can make plays without hof qb and great support, etc... Aj green is great in 32 cities. Larry fitz was fantastic on bad teams. Edelman I think struggles in many cities. Edited December 16, 2018 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 WR that can get open even when he's covered, double covered, triple covered, and will catch the ball no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Who ever eats up the most cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) I really think Foster might be good. Not saying he can be a 1 but not saying he can’t be either Edited December 16, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 A true #1 WR is someone who can make contested catches, dominate a CB, and requires defenses to double team him. Could be through speed, size, route running, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I believe that a #1 receiver is an overrated commodity. Some QBs, when they have a #1 receiver grow to depend on him to the degree that if the defense is somehow able to take him away, the QB is unable to adjust by distributing the ball to other receivers who may be capable in their own right. I'd rather have an offense where the QB has a comfort level with multiple receivers and distributes the ball in such a way that defenses can't focus on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Bills dont even have a #2 WR let alone a #1. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Is Tyler Boyd a upcoming FA? Would love to reunite him and Foster. Wouldn't mind AJ either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 A guy like Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 A game changer who can take over the game at any moment. A guy who can play bigger stronger and faster then anyone else out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 That Lions WR who pulled in a few jaw-dropping catches today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Whatever that definition is, it doesn't apply to Zay Jones. I don't think it's a coincidence that the offense moved whenever he wasn't involved in the passing game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Amazing that he set a college record for receptions and can't catch in the NFL. Whereas Foster is doing the opposite, of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Doc said: Amazing that he set a college record for receptions and can't catch in the NFL. Whereas Foster is doing the opposite, of sorts. Yep. Alternate reality almost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Lot of debate over this lately. For one, I don't expect the Bills to have a "true #1" receiver anytime soon. Like a lot of other teams, they'll roll with a collection of receivers, tight ends and backs that Daboll can get creative with in the passing game. But for the sake of argument, the true #1 receiver is the type of player that's open when he's covered and a guy you throw it to in those situations because he's supposed to be trusted to go up and make the play. He's what Doug Whaley thought Sammy Watkins would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I never liked how people try to define a #1 WR as anything other than a guy who is a top 32 WR. People tend to mean a gamechanger. There aren’t many of those guys, maybe 10. Nobody uses the same definition for RBs or QBs, but for some reason with WR they mean guys who might end up in the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnallen Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 17 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: A true number 1 WR can make a play even if the defense suspects the ball will go to said player. Yes, a true #1 WR makes catches when the defense doubles him or puts their shutdown corner on him. They make big plays, big first downs and win 75% of the 50/50 balls thrown their way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 A guy who can successfully run every route, get yards after the catch and make 50/50 balls. You can get by with a guy who can do 2 out 3. Buffalo needs a guy who can win the 50/50 ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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