WR Technique Q - Overthrow to Foster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Play is 1st & 10 from the Buff 35, 7:56 in the 4th.

 

Most people consider this an overthrow by Allen. 

 

I have a WR technique question for those of you who played WR or have scouted or coached WR.

 

So the start of the route is beautiful for Foster.  Does a great job "selling" the CB, jukes him out of his shorts and blows by him inside.

But at about the Phins 45 yd line, he starts looking back over his L shoulder and keeps looking back, which must inevitably slow him down. 

It's not until he gets to the 20 yd line that he looks ahead and seems to accelerate. 

 

The ball looks to be a yard or so past his outstretched hands.

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

[BillsFan692]

Thoughts are that there is no 60+ yard throws that are perfectly accurate 100% of the time.

 

Those are really low percentage plays. I think both did pretty good and it was close. Sometimes they will catch people and sometimes itll be a near miss.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Play is 1st & 10 from the Buff 35, 7:56 in the 4th.

 

Most people consider this an overthrow by Allen. 

 

I have a WR technique question for those of you who played WR or have scouted or coached WR.

 

So the start of the route is beautiful for Foster.  Does a great job "selling" the CB, jukes him out of his shorts and blows by him inside.

But at about the Phins 45 yd line, he starts looking back over his L shoulder and keeps looking back, which must inevitably slow him down. 

It's not until he gets to the 20 yd line that he looks ahead and seems to accelerate. 

 

The ball looks to be a yard or so past his outstretched hands.

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

My thoughts on this play haven’t changed since Sunday...

 

Foster has struggled with tracking the deep ball since college and hasn’t struggled in the pros... I said immediately after the play that he slows down while tracking the ball and that was a weakness in college 

 

imo it was a beautiful deep ball which any high quality deep ball receiver should have and would have caught

 

hopefully it’s something that will be improved

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

My thoughts on this play haven’t changed since Sunday...

 

Foster has struggled with tracking the deep ball since college and hasn’t struggled in the pros... I said immediately after the play that he slows down while tracking the ball and that was a weakness in college 

 

imo it was a beautiful deep ball which any high quality deep ball receiver should have and would have caught

 

hopefully it’s something that will be improved

 

So what should he be doing during the deep ball route?  Running like hell until the ball gets to the point where he can track it without looking back?

Or ??

 

Deep ball WR technique education, please.

[Warcodered]

That's a throw where they really have to be completely in sync I'm not really sure who to blame there. I think that play is just going to take more repetition for them to be more consistent.

[eSJayDee]

I don't have any particular expertise, but I have noted that most "bombs" only travel about 50 yards in the air.  As this one traveled 65+, it certainly seems reasonable that Foster start looking for the ball WELL before it's arrival.

Further, I'd like to add that a 65 yd pass that's only off by less than 6' is still pretty accurate.  It's unfortunate that in this case w/ Foster being so open, a 5 yards underthrow, would've yielded a better result than a 2 yd overthrow.  Then again, it's also possible that he was so open cuz the defender didn't expect/believe that a ball could/would be thrown that far.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So what should he be doing during the deep ball route?  Running like hell until the ball gets to the point where he can track it without looking back?

Or ??

 

Deep ball WR technique education, please.

That is a difficult question.... when people talk about quarterbacks and they talk about “it” factor , it is almost the same with a Deep threat WR

 

all the great deep threats have an “it” factor... and what most coaches and scouts see as the “it” factor is the ability of the receiver to kick into “another gear” when the ball is in the air

 

a natural phenomena... 

 

desean jackson , Sammy Watkins, Ty Hilton,  tyreek Hill etc all have a natural ability to kick it into overdrive when the ball is in the air deep down field... add an extra 2-5 mph and track it down 

 

Foster sometimes loses a step when he starts tracking... he needs to keep that extra gear and find it when the ball goes up... it’s something he is really inconsistent at

 

He can set up a nice route and beat his man... but when the ball is up 50-60 yards downfield he loses a step

 

He seems to track over his shoulder the whole time which slows him down . He needs to find the ball in the air... then sprint to the spot and then locate and make a play

 

he finds the ball, and then tries tracking it while running which slows him down a tad... he needs to react and just fly 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That is a difficult question.... when people talk about quarterbacks and they talk about “it” factor , it is almost the same with a Deep threat WR

 

all the great deep threats have an “it” factor... and what most coaches and scouts see as the “it” factor is the ability of the receiver to kick into “another gear” when the ball is in the air

 

a natural phenomena... 

 

desean jackson , Sammy Watkins, Ty Hilton,  tyreek Hill etc all have a natural ability to kick it into overdrive when the ball is in the air deep down field... add an extra 2-5 mph and track it down 

 

Foster sometimes loses a step when he starts tracking... he needs to keep that extra gear and find it when the ball goes up... it’s something he is really inconsistent at

 

He can set up a nice route and beat his man... but when the ball is up 50-60 yards downfield he loses a step

 

He seems to track over his shoulder the whole time which slows him down . He needs to find the ball in the air... then sprint to the spot and then locate and make a play

 

he finds the ball, and then tries tracking it while running which slows him down a tad... he needs to react and just fly 

 

Well, the good news is, he def. has that extra gear.  About the 20 yd line he turned it up but how.

And the start of the route was a thing of beauty.  DB lost his jock and trailed the rest of the way.

 

But you're exactly right, Foster was tracking over his shoulder the whole time, starting before Allen actually threw it.  And no one can run full speed like that.

 

Maybe if he gets more practice reps with Allen and some good WR coaching he will figure it out and it will "click"?   But if it's a natural spatial perception that lets a guy see the ball launched and somehow translate that into projection of where it will be 50 yds downfield - it may be he never will get it.

 

[TigerJ]

I have never played WR, or organized football for that matter, so mine can hardly be considered an expert opinion, but deep balls like that are always considered a low percentage pass for a reason.  The longer the pass attempt the more opportunity for some little (essential detail) to go awry.  The distance the ball travels magnifies the effect of any ittle aberation that might occur.  The receiver is nowhere near the catch point when the QB is letting go of the ball.  Wind, the receiver's speed, tiny variations in the QBs mechanics and effort are all going to affect the play.  QBs are not machines, and a football playing field is not a controled lab, so it is not possible for the pass to be completed with machine like consistency and precision.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, the good news is, he def. has that extra gear.  About the 20 yd line he turned it up but how.

And the start of the route was a thing of beauty.  DB lost his jock and trailed the rest of the way.

 

But you're exactly right, Foster was tracking over his shoulder the whole time, starting before Allen actually threw it.  And no one can run full speed like that.

 

Maybe if he gets more practice reps with Allen and some good WR coaching he will figure it out and it will "click"?   But if it's a natural spatial perception that lets a guy see the ball launched and somehow translate that into projection of where it will be 50 yds downfield - it may be he never will get it.

 

 

This will be the ultimate reason he either becomes a very good deep threat or is out of the league in 2 years 

 

He HAS flashed the ability to locate and track the deep ball at an NFL level but then regresses on some passes... he needs to find the consistency 

 

which can only come with more reps and time with Josh Allen and the coaches...

 

The good news is that Foster is a baby doe. Fresh and green. He doesn’t have many bad habits that he has built up with game time because he hardly played at Bama...

 

The Bills coaches can and are building him from the ground up. Literally molding him to be the receiver they want him to be... you can’t always do that with a finished product 

 

If the Bills take the right approach, there is no reason he cannot be built into a top end deep threat because he has displayed that second gear... He is in a victor Cruz mold... UDFA who can fly but needs to be taught how to be a WR

[Dadonkadonk]

Low percentage pass and no WR is going to start looking for the ball when already 40 yards downfield.  They will start to look sooner.  That is a seam route that probably has a window of 20-25 yards down field - behind the MLB and in front of the safety against most defenses.  He probably looked back at the correct time.  

[Augie]

RUN......FORREST RUN! 

[JimmyNoodles]

Once the receiver breaks open he's going to look for the ball. Best thing QBs can do with single coverage is put air under the ball and let the receiver adjust to it. Allen can throw that a little earlier and a little easier. He's learning that most throws don't have to be rockets.

Edited December 5, 2018 by JimmyNoodles

[BullBuchanan]

Allen needs to learn how to drop those in the bucket. He just doesn't have that timing down yet. He also did this in college all the time. The zones that Allen is throwing to down the field are much larger right now when compared to the great deep ball throwers in the game today, and some of them don't have anywhere near the arm that he has. In general Allen has a serious flaw, maybe his biggest, with gauging power. You see it on the short throws all the time, and I think it's also happening here. If the kid learns a little touch, he'll be deadly. 

Edited December 5, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[transplantbillsfan]

Wasn't there a deep throw early this year where the exact same thing happened with the WR starting to look back for the ball insanely early, obviously slowing down the WR?

 

I think it was Foster on that play, as well.

 

Wish I could remember the exact play or game.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

Hapless, just watched this several times in slo-mo on GamePass.

 

It's a double move, and Allen starts the play looking to the left to draw the safety away from Foster. Foster hits the second move at the Bills 47, with the CB having turned his hips outside.  At that instant, Foster knows he's going to be wide open. The one deep safety is responding to Allen's eyes and is heading to to the left side of the field and even though right now the CB is a couple of yards deeper than Foster, Foster has faked him out of his jock. Nobody's going to catch him and he knows it. The CB actually stumbles and puts his hand on the ground.

 

Foster knows he has him beat with nobody to worry about. He looks back at the Bills 48 or so.

 

Allen moves his front foot right to line up with Foster as Foster crosses the 50. He's still looking down the field to make sure he doesn't trip over the CB, whose leg is actually right in front of Foster. Foster clears the CB at the 48 and immediately looks back. Allen has started his passing motion. He has hopped off his back foot forward to gather momentum and his arm starts the motion as Foster is at the 46.

 

This is a perfectly timed play.

 

Receivers have to adjust to bombs, as the QB should ideally throw it longer or shorter or left or right to lead him away from defenders and make the catch easier depending where the defenders are. The instant Foster has his line, Allen knows it and starts to throw.

 

 

 

 

I just quickly found a bomb from Fitzy to DeSean Jackson. 37 yards in the air and he turns his head after 12 yards. There's a deep center safety and so he decides he has to veer outside a bit and the instant he makes that decision he's turning his head. Jackson runs quite a bit more than half the route with his head turned. This is the way these things usually go if the CB is beat early.

 

 

 

The receiver has to adjust to the QB's throw but also wants to let the QB know where he's going by pointing to it. So he wants to give the QB as large a time and space window to throw into as possible depending on the defense's response. Sometimes the QB throws late. Other times on time. Other times maybe early. The receiver's job is to be prepared for any of these if at all possible.

 

When he looks back, it's generally called "making yourself available" to the QB. If you're not looking, the QB can't know if you'll see the ball. On most plays you want to make yourself available as soon as you know what's happening and think you're open. Precise timing routes can be exceptions. But a ball going 60 yards in the air isn't a precise timing route. It's got to be two people working in sync as best they can and that involves the reciever making himself available and making it easier to adjust to the ball.

 

The receiver wants to turn and look as soon as he can. There are exceptions but this isn't one. It was just a slight overthrow. Hopefully as they get more used to each other, there will be fewer of these, but every QB makes them sometimes.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Thurman#1

[ProcessTruster]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

That's a throw where they really have to be completely in sync I'm not really sure who to blame there. I think that play is just going to take more repetition for them to be more consistent.

Agreed.   Bills WRs going forward need to adjust to the fact that you cannot outrun Allen's deep ball.  Not possible.  Just keep sprinting.    The ball will meet you.   Just takes time.  Foster learned his lesson.  He's probably been outrunning QBs arm strength  for the past 15 years.  Not any more.   Trust It.   Ooops, I said it again. 

 

 

[boyst]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That is a difficult question.... when people talk about quarterbacks and they talk about “it” factor , it is almost the same with a Deep threat WR

 

all the great deep threats have an “it” factor... and what most coaches and scouts see as the “it” factor is the ability of the receiver to kick into “another gear” when the ball is in the air

 

a natural phenomena... 

 

desean jackson , Sammy Watkins, Ty Hilton,  tyreek Hill etc all have a natural ability to kick it into overdrive when the ball is in the air deep down field... add an extra 2-5 mph and track it down 

 

Foster sometimes loses a step when he starts tracking... he needs to keep that extra gear and find it when the ball goes up... it’s something he is really inconsistent at

 

He can set up a nice route and beat his man... but when the ball is up 50-60 yards downfield he loses a step

 

He seems to track over his shoulder the whole time which slows him down . He needs to find the ball in the air... then sprint to the spot and then locate and make a play

 

he finds the ball, and then tries tracking it while running which slows him down a tad... he needs to react and just fly 

Good answer.  Haven't read them all yet tho...

 

There was an old quote a coach used to tell us. "Don't look for the ball, wait for the ball.". That may not be it but it was close to that. His philosophy was a good QB will get you the ball without having to look for it and a good WR will be patient to get to it.  

[GunnerBill]

It isn't a fault of when he turns his head..... it is what happens next. His brain doesn't seem to compute what he sees and work out how he needs to adjust quickly enough.

[vincec]

Looked like a slow read and a slightly late throw. The WR was open and the ball should have been thrown as soon as he made the double move, IMO. Every split second you wait makes the throw longer and more difficult. Allen has the arm to wait an extra split second but maybe not the accuracy.

[Rochesterfan]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Play is 1st & 10 from the Buff 35, 7:56 in the 4th.

 

Most people consider this an overthrow by Allen. 

 

I have a WR technique question for those of you who played WR or have scouted or coached WR.

 

So the start of the route is beautiful for Foster.  Does a great job "selling" the CB, jukes him out of his shorts and blows by him inside.

But at about the Phins 45 yd line, he starts looking back over his L shoulder and keeps looking back, which must inevitably slow him down. 

It's not until he gets to the 20 yd line that he looks ahead and seems to accelerate. 

 

The ball looks to be a yard or so past his outstretched hands.

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

I don’t think it is a route mismatch because Allen spends a bunch of time looking the safety off - I don’t think he wanted the seam before the safety it was an over the top throw all the way.

 

I think the WR has to look back to see the QB throw and then gauge where the ball is heading and get to that spot - sometimes that means looking away from the throw and sprinting and then picking up the ball again.  I think Foster has some issues with this mainly due to the fact that he has probably never played with a QB that can out throw his speed.  So he has some technique to work on along with timing.

 

As for the throw - early in the year this was an underthrow by Allen by sometimes as much as 5 yards causing the WR to have to really adjust.  I think this is the next step in his progress - getting the ball out in front.  Now the final part is getting that sync to drop it in their perfectly.  I think the throw could of used a little air to allow it to settle a bit and give Foster more time to adjust.  Allen’s arm is amazing and I think sometimes that causes him to hold the ball a quarter of a second to long and throw a laser rather than a more lofted pass - giving his receivers less time to adjust.

 

Finally - it is naturally a low percentage pass - guys like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, etc. miss this same pass even with guys they have worked on it for years with.  I think it is hard to lay to much blame without giving a bit to both guys.  What I want to see is them - make this connection on this route.  Show me some progress.

 

What I have seen is Foster is not bad on these deep crossing routes like his touchdown against the Jets - it was not a deep bomb, but he was tracking the ball with his eyes mostly still looking forward.  He has more trouble on the deeper throws where he has to look back over the shoulder to adjust to the throw.  He also seems to be better looking over his right shoulder than his left.  It may be technique or player driven, but they may have to adjust his route and have it closer to the sideline and allow the throw to bring him back toward the middle of the field.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Rochesterfan

[billsredneck1]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Play is 1st & 10 from the Buff 35, 7:56 in the 4th.

 

Most people consider this an overthrow by Allen. 

 

I have a WR technique question for those of you who played WR or have scouted or coached WR.

 

So the start of the route is beautiful for Foster.  Does a great job "selling" the CB, jukes him out of his shorts and blows by him inside.

But at about the Phins 45 yd line, he starts looking back over his L shoulder and keeps looking back, which must inevitably slow him down. 

It's not until he gets to the 20 yd line that he looks ahead and seems to accelerate. 

 

The ball looks to be a yard or so past his outstretched hands.

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

i'm going with no.2.  i thought he was making progress in that area....ie td pass vs. jags,  but must be a hard habit to break. i believe it can be fixed over time.

[26CornerBlitz]

As I posted before, Foster ran an excellent route and I can't see anything he could have done better.  He sold the out that Howard bit on and was wide open for a TD.  

 

 

[billsredneck1]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So what should he be doing during the deep ball route?  Running like hell until the ball gets to the point where he can track it without looking back?

Or ??

 

Deep ball WR technique education, please.

i think it could be practiced more.  josh says just get to x yd. line.  foster has a pre determined distance and spot.  it should help train him not to turn around too soon.

do this with a combination of routes...of course after mastering the fly route....or whatever you wanna call it.

 

it should be practiced over and over.

Edited December 5, 2018 by billsredneck1

[CSBill]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

My thoughts on this play haven’t changed since Sunday...

 

Foster has struggled with tracking the deep ball since college and hasn’t struggled in the pros... I said immediately after the play that he slows down while tracking the ball and that was a weakness in college 

 

imo it was a beautiful deep ball which any high quality deep ball receiver should have and would have caught

 

hopefully it’s something that will be improved

 

Everyone slows down when they look up to track the ball. The same thing happens in baseball, we are always telling young players not to do that, get to the spot, then reach to catch the ball.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Play is 1st & 10 from the Buff 35, 7:56 in the 4th.

 

Most people consider this an overthrow by Allen. 

 

I have a WR technique question for those of you who played WR or have scouted or coached WR.

 

So the start of the route is beautiful for Foster.  Does a great job "selling" the CB, jukes him out of his shorts and blows by him inside.

But at about the Phins 45 yd line, he starts looking back over his L shoulder and keeps looking back, which must inevitably slow him down. 

It's not until he gets to the 20 yd line that he looks ahead and seems to accelerate. 

 

The ball looks to be a yard or so past his outstretched hands.

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Nice topic.

 

To me a pass with that low of an arc is coming fast. And with little adjustment time. If it’s not perfect, there’s no chance. 

 

More air air under the deeeo ball please 

 

 

[Magox]

It's an overthrow.  You can see Foster really accelerating and pulling away from the DB, hard to imagine how he could have gotten much faster than he had already been running.

 

And man, I always knew Foster was fast but over the past few weeks I've been very impressed with Fosters game speed and acceleration.  I dont think his 40 time does his game speed justice.

[vincec]

13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

As I posted before, Foster ran an excellent route and I can't see anything he could have done better.  He sold the out that Howard bit on and was wide open for a TD.  

 

 

Agree. It’s amazing how nothing was actually his fault in this game.

 

overthrow Foster... bad route by Foster

underthrow Clay... drop by Clay

behind Jones over the middle for TD... Jones ran the wrong route

interception over the middle... bad route by Benjamin

 

Apparently he played a perfect game. The greatest rookie QB ever.

[bills11]

To me it seems to me a result of one of the things Josh is working on right now his velocity arc etc on throws..and timing the throw just needed a bit more air under it..that will come with time and chemistry ..so far he's thrown several deep balls to foster 2 were perfect jags and vikes game drop ..same vikes game 1st quarter he didnt put enough air under it foster was wide open for a TD deep. 

[BB@Shooter]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

That's a throw where they really have to be completely in sync I'm not really sure who to blame there. I think that play is just going to take more repetition for them to be more consistent.

I agree with this. I guess it depends on what the receivers coach is preaching . And Allen could have put a little more air under it or a little less distance. But overall the hope is to one day have the timing down. And if they do.... watch out. Good catch Hapless. I wouldn't have put that much thought into it or broke it down. Now I am curious as to what the receiver coach thinks about it.

[thebandit27]

He missed him...not by much, but yeah, that's a miss.

 

The ball needed to either come out earlier or have more air under it.

 

Could an elite deep-ball tracker like Hill, Hilton, or Watkins make that play? Probably, but Foster isn't that guy, so his QB needs to throw a better ball. It's not like the Clay play where any pass catcher should have that.

[buffaloboyinATL]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Questions are:

1) is this a route mismatch between Foster and Allen?  Does Foster think the ball is gonna be an intermediate throw and that's why he starts looking for the ball soon as he beats his man?

2) or is this a technique flaw on a deep route - where Foster should not be looking back, he should be running full-out for longer than he is?

3) or maybe it's a perfect route by Foster and an overthrow by Allen?  But I don't recall having seen a WR on a deep route looking over his shoulder for 25 yds instead of "running like hell"

 

Thoughts?

 

If the throw is designed to be thrown to a spot then he needs to keep his head forward and get close to that spot before he looks for the ball. It is like in baseball where they say to turn and run under the ball before you turn back and track it. It is hard to believe something simple like raining your glove or looking back too soon can slow you down, but it does. That being said, it is a lower percentage play that takes chemistry between the receiver and QB to accomplish. Hopefully, that is being developed as we speak.  

[boyst]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.shakinthesouthland.com/platform/amp/2010/3/6/1330505/wr-basics-stance-lining-up-and

 

Found this to be insightful and would be helpful for the basics and fundamentals of wr

[CommonCents]

Best deep ball tracker in the league is Lockett. I have seen him slow down on long passes just so he can accelerate again and get that last second separation so he can avoid being tackled.

[boyst]

Also saw this from urban meyer @YoloinOhio

 

https://coachtube.com/course/football/the-fundamentals-of-coaching-receivers/117885

Urban meyer teaching his WR tech.  ???

 

Dudes never really been a WR coach, tho.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Also saw this from urban meyer @YoloinOhio

 

https://coachtube.com/course/football/the-fundamentals-of-coaching-receivers/117885

Urban meyer teaching his WR tech.  ???

 

Dudes never really been a WR coach, tho.

FWIW Deanglo Hall was all over Meyer yesterday. Saying his offense is a gimmic and he doesn’t teach his WRs how to run routes. He is cousins with Percy Harvin and blamed Urban for his lack of development. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

FWIW Deanglo Hall was all over Meyer yesterday. Saying his offense is a gimmic and he doesn’t teach his WRs how to run routes. He is cousins with Percy Harvin and blamed Urban for his lack of development. 

I agree fully with this but hearing how urbans mind works is quite amazing. He's much more colorful and pleasant than folks like Saban who is acting like he wants to imitate Belichick. Both are insufferable.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Boyst62

[Shaw66]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Maybe if he gets more practice reps with Allen and some good WR coaching he will figure it out and it will "click"?   But if it's a natural spatial perception that lets a guy see the ball launched and somehow translate that into projection of where it will be 50 yds downfield - it may be he never will get it.

 

Someone else commented on this, and I think this is the right answer.   

 

We don't know the future, but assume for this discussion it's three years from now, Allen is acknowledged as a true star in the league, and Foster is his deep threat, like Marvin Harrison was for Peyton.  What are the announcers going to be saying about them?   They're going to talk about all the time Allen and Foster spent after practice, working on communication on all their favorite routes.   For example, they're going to be saying that Foster learned not to look for the ball too early on that route, that Allen learned to lead Foster one way or another.   Whatever the details, they're going to be saying that Allen and Foster had a much deeper understanding of what each is going to try to do on the play.   

 

You're right, maybe they'll never get it.   But it's that kind of special relationship that develops over time that makes certain passer-receiver combinations so deadly.   If Allen and Foster are completing that pass two years from now, it will because they've learned to do some little things AND to expect the other guy to do some little things.  

[PolishPrince]

11 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Thoughts are that there is no 60+ yard throws that are perfectly accurate 100% of the time.

 

Those are really low percentage plays. I think both did pretty good and it was close. Sometimes they will catch people and sometimes itll be a near miss.

This, I cant believe how many articles and posters point to this "miss" showing an example of "how inaccurate Josh is." The throw was a step away from being a dime of a throw at 70 yards in the air as pressure was starting to get in Josh's face. People want to site to other QB's making this throw... when they do, they typically throw a bit of a duck (I think on purpose) which is good and bad. Good = Gives WR time to get under the ball, or work back to it if needed (***** Clay!).. Bad = gives chance for DB to also recover to make play on ball. What I like about Allen's ball is it still has velocity on it and comes down at a tighter angle. To be honest, its going to make a lot of his deep throws like this a tad lower completion percentage - however with this kind of throw its a typical "my guy will get it, or no one" so less chance for an INT.

[Antonio]

There is no way Allen could throw that ball any better without laser help.

 

But Foster ran it perfectly as well. When you come out of your break you always have to look for the ball, then as soon as is thrown you have to track it and run full speed to where you see it going. It was really close.

 

If I could change something to make it work is just for Allen to throw it a tad earlier and with a litte more air under it so he doesnt have to throw it that far.