McBean Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks Edited November 12, 2018 by McBean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Google is your friend so why didn't he tell you? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley has been given a chance. Unfortunately he was seen as being from the Leinart school of USC QB's, and not of the Carson Palmer line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, McBean said: Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks Matt Barkley coming out of college had all the tools but never had a strong arm. So he fell in the draft and no he’s never been given a chance. But he’s never really earned one either. He has put up some decent yards but he throws more INTs then he does touchdowns. I believe he earned himself one more start. I mean if McBeane isn’t tanking like they say then you have to go with the hot hand. They wanted Allen to sit and learn anyway. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Iirc he started a few games for the bears. Didn't do too good. Lot of yards and interceptions. Edited November 12, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The Bears started him a few games and despite throwing 300 yards multiple games (as the announcers said 1000 times) he didn’t look that good. Capable backup type quarterback, surely zero starting potential would be my guess. Starting caliber quarterbacks are not free agents and let go from multiple teams and found in free agency. Maybe a team could miss, but no way multiple teams miss. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 There was an established guy ahead of him everywhere he’s been and he’s never gotten a real chance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Even yesterday when he generally looked surprisingly good (especially compared to whet we’ve been watching lately) there were times where the ball lacked the zip you’d like to see full time. That said....THANK YOU for a glimmer of light in the darkness! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, McBean said: Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks Yesterday was 2 dropped INT away from being a very average to below average game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Before you get all “I told you so” on us, @Cripple Creek had Barkley on his radar well before his college days. You want info about Barkley or want to talk to someone who beat the perverbial “Barkley Drum” since 1992, talk to @Cripple Creek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, McBean said: Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks I conceptually liked what Barkley did yesterday, but even that wasn't necessarily a great exhibition of throwing. He threw some nice balls, some 50/50 balls, and a couple that probably should have been picks but given the situations we were in, I really wouldn't have minded even if they had been INT's. The 2 big things he did was make a concerted effort to throw the ball downfield and give our WR's the opportunities to make plays. I hope McDermott and Daboll don't try to beat that out of him. The rules in the NFL make those kinds of plays favorable, even if you don't have great WR's. You have to try to take advantage. We also have to try to develop at least a couple of these WR's. Give them some shots. Ultimately though, I still think talent-wise that the guy's potential is as a solid backup. Even that we have to see if he can do something similar to this more often, but not at the price of sitting Allen down. I'm sure if he sticks around, some opportunities to start here and there will still come up. 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Yesterday was 2 dropped INT away from being a very average to below average game. From purely a stats perspective, yes. But I still would've liked his mindset from the beginning of pushing the ball downfield. One of those drops was on 3rd and 10 that he threw from what I believe was our 40 to around their 20 on 3rd and 10. I don't really mind taking chances like that, it's most likely going to end up being somewhat similar to a punt anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley should have come out after his junior year as he would have been picked in the top 10. He would have been exposed and eventually been seen as a bust, but he would have made some coin in the process. Instead, he chose to stay in school (something I appreciate, btw), his senior exposed him, and then the combine and pro day workouts confirmed what scouts had suspected: he simply didn't have a major league arm. His high interception ratio bears that out as well. But as we all know, there is a lot more to the position than just an arm and Barkley showed that yesterday. Perhaps we've solved our backup QB problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 He started 6 games for the Bears in 2016. Consecutive games I believe and I watched most of them and attended at least 1. Much like yesterday he's a confident guy and willing to throw the ball vertically down the field. He had a ton of picks, Peterman-like for all you Peterman experts out there. His arm strength is clearly a weakness much like Nate. It's doubtful any GM sees him as a potential starter. Yesterday, however, was probably his best ever game of his career all things considered. What fans liked about him in Chicago was his confidence, willingness to attack the defense and he had good pocket presence. He is marginal athletically and he made a lot of errant throws. Personally I remember thinking that he was a young guy then and if he could cure his tendency to throw picks, he'd be a great backup. The Bears felt otherwise and cut the cord with him. He's a well spoken guy, seems to be smart, shows leadership and has a damned the torpedos full speed ahead attitude on the field which are all good qualities. Nowhere near the athlete that Josh is and maybe even a notch below Nate in that regard. He looks a bit chubby to me, he's probably not in top shape right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 33 minutes ago, McBean said: Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks Funny you mention this. I was actually quoted on this board as stating I hope the Bills run to the podium if he is there with our pick in the second round. Could not believe he lasted to the fourth round. Looks like I was wrong because no one has given him a chance to start since he came into the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, McBean said: Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own. Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know... Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB? The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman. This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored. Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me. Thanks He is a good BACKUP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 He's decisive, which is part of the reason the offensive line "looked" so much better yesterday. Our first round QB should take note of that. His skillset relegates him to backup. As others have pointed out, he easily could have thrown 2 picks. They weren't mental errors either. Both times he nearly threw a pick, it was an arm strength issue. You can't teach speed or arm strength. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Yeah, it’s obvious watching him yesterday that he doesn’t have a legit NFL arm. Still looked better though than EJ ever did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: He's decisive, which is part of the reason the offensive line "looked" so much better yesterday. Our first round QB should take note of that. His skillset relegates him to backup. As others have pointed out, he easily could have thrown 2 picks. They weren't mental errors either. Both times he nearly threw a pick, it was an arm strength issue. You can't teach speed or arm strength. If he's a legit backup, that's still a nice addition. We need one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: He's decisive, which is part of the reason the offensive line "looked" so much better yesterday. Our first round QB should take note of that. His skillset relegates him to backup. As others have pointed out, he easily could have thrown 2 picks. They weren't mental errors either. Both times he nearly threw a pick, it was an arm strength issue. You can't teach speed or arm strength. Offensive line looked better b.c of Teller and the garbage team they were playing. Barkley had so much time to throw yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: He is a good BACKUP. Agree. Let's just be happy that the Bills have finally found a capable backup. It's an important position, as we have all witnessed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 35 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Yesterday was 2 dropped INT away from being a very average to below average game. What, exactly is it that is elite about you? Asking for a friend, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If he's a legit backup, that's still a nice addition. We need one. No doubt. It's not a bad thing to find a viable backup QB in the middle of the season. Just trying to keep it in proper perspective. We've seen true garbage at QB and what kind of toll that takes on a team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Yesterday was 2 dropped INT away from being a very average to below average game. Exactly this. My take from watching the game is he's too aggressive for having a below average arm. Yesterday's performance would be considered an outlier if he were to play this way over a longer stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Offensive line looked better b.c of Teller and the garbage team they were playing. Barkley had so much time to throw yesterday You don't need to tell me about Teller. Been a fan since the draft. Still, his decisiveness was a major factor in the lack of QB pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Yesterday was a totally fun game with I was not expecting. But it was enjoyable in large part due to Barkley. I started watching half expecting a Peterman-type performance but was pleasantly surprised. Having said that, we cannot ignore his history and have to expect his performance will adjust downward. But it can still be good enough considering what we got out of Peterman and Anderson. More broadly, though, I think McBeane accidentally stumbled and bumbled their way into an ideal situation for the QB stable for the long run. Allen as our franchise/starter, Barkley as backup and Anderson for the vet presence. Cut Nate asap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 is Barkely the next Fitzpatrick? If so, I'd take that as our backup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) He took over for a bad Bears team in 2016 that was 2-8 when he took the reigns. He played 6 games and although he went 1-5, there were a couple close losses and he threw for over 300 yards in 3 of those 6 games. He was the top QB recruit in the nation when he was a junior in high school and has the lifetime pedigree to play the QB position that few others have. Despite his arm limitations, he is a guy that is going to be able to understand an run an offense they way the coaches want it to be run. That can get you somewhere in this league. He won't have any trouble understanding the offense and should be pretty good with the pre snap reads. I am not one of those guys that is going to say I think we found our QB, but I do think he is the perfect backup type to stick behind Allen. He can step in and win games and if Allen fails, he may be good enough to take a respectable team around him to the playoffs and bridge the gap if we have to draft another QB high in the next couple of seasons. As far as I'm concerned going into next season it should Allen as 1, Barkley as 2, probably sign another vet to bring into camp and draft another player with potential in the mid rounds if it is prudent. Edited November 13, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I like him as a backup, Cut Peterman and keep Barkley and Anderson while Allen starts. We can jettison Anderson in the offseason and just keep Barkley and Allen next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: He is a good BACKUP. Which is something we didn't have before yesterday and team really needs. Ask the Eagles or SB XXV Giants or the El Perfecto Fish or The Greatest Show on Turf. The kid had a great game. Best by any Bills QB BY FAR since Hotrod left town. He gives us the BEST chance to. beat Coach Moron. Josh ain't going anywhere. Edited November 12, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Which is something we didn't have before yesterday and team really needs. Ask the Eagles or SB DEV Giants or the El Perfecto Fish. The kid had a great game. Best by any Bills QB BY FAR since Hotrod left town. He gives us the BEST chance to. beat Coach Moron. Josh ain't going anywhere. Lol with the season lost we might as well start Allen. Allen gives a better chance to win against the jags then Barkley ever will. Josh isnt learning on the sidelines he needs to play, we already know what Barkley is. Edited November 12, 2018 by Boca BIlls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Lol with the season lost we might as well start Allen. Allen gives a better chance to win against the jags then Barkley ever will. What makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: What makes you think that? B.c Barkley is a backup QB.... Allen needs all the reps a young guy can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: B.c Barkley is a backup QB.... Allen needs all the reps a young guy can get. I was specifically asking why you felt Allen gave us a better chance to win than Barkley ever could. What has Josh Allen done as a professional QB to give you such confidence in that statement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I was specifically asking why you felt Allen gave us a better chance to win than Barkley ever could. What has Josh Allen done as a professional QB to give you such confidence in that statement? Josh never faced a team as bad as the Jets, yet he did what Barkley did against a good Minnesota team. Allen has a better arm than Barkley. Thankfully McDermott already said just now in his presser that Josh will be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Josh never faced a team as bad as the Jets, yet he did what Barkley did against a good Minnesota team. Allen has a better arm than Barkley. Thankfully McDermott already said just now in his presser that Josh will be the starter. There's a good chance Allen won't work out. I agree he needs to play, but we've got to be prepared as a franchise for the possibility that Allen isn't the answer. The more QB's we kick the tires on, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: There's a good chance Allen won't work out. I agree he needs to play, but we've got to be prepared as a franchise for the possibility that Allen isn't the answer. The more QB's we kick the tires on, the better. You need to draft another QB then... Barkley is not the answer which is who we are talking about so moot point in Allen either being the guy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Before you get all “I told you so” on us, @Cripple Creek had Barkley on his radar well before his college days. You want info about Barkley or want to talk to someone who beat the perverbial “Barkley Drum” since 1992, talk to @Cripple Creek What? Did they date in high school or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 55 minutes ago, Rico said: Yeah, it’s obvious watching him yesterday that he doesn’t have a legit NFL arm. Still looked better though than EJ ever did. It’s funny that I remember this particular game. In 2013 EJ went 20-28 for 245 and 2 TDs with no INTs against the Jest. Good for a 121.9 Passer Rating. Better stats than Barkley. Let’s not judge either him or Barkley on any one game. Barkley might make a competent backup beyond this season. I’d sure take that, but it is still a stretch at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: It’s funny that I remember this particular game. In 2013 EJ went 20-28 for 245 and 2 TDs with no INTs against the Jest. Good for a 121.9 Passer Rating. Better stats than Barkley. Let’s not judge either him or Barkley on any one game. Barkley might make a competent backup beyond this season. I’d sure take that, but it is still a stretch at this time. Well said. If the Bills are seriously considering keeping Barkley as a long term backup I would not mind them starting him 1 more time. I want JA to get reps too but if they want to "lock up" Barkley for say a 2 year contract another look may be prudent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 SO here is a player that was on no roster...and all of a sudden, the Bills have found their backup! This board is lame! And I admit, I have no idea about Barkley. But this board gets excited for the smallest things. that is how bad we have been for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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