billspro Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Dude eff that. I hate the Jets. I hope we make Darnold look like a joke and Allen throws 6 Tds in his return Agreed, it’s a defensive draft anyways. Pointless to have a top 5 pick especially with no QB looking like a top 10 pick. We are a lock to pick in the top 10 and should be able to add an OT at that point in the draft. Josh Allen playing well is way more important than draft position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, iinii said: Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes? Doesn’t prove they got better while sitting. Rodgers improved as he continued starting. Mahomes was raw ( kind of like Allen in that regard) but probably was ready at some point last year after seeing things on film etc. They should have sat Allen for at least half the year, but famously screwed it up. There’s no point in turning back now. Allen isn’t going to improve by watching the worst NFL offense in generations do its thing. 3 minutes ago, billspro said: Agreed, it’s a defensive draft anyways. Pointless to have a top 5 pick especially with no QB looking like a top 10 pick. We are a lock to pick in the top 10 and should be able to add an OT at that point in the draft. Josh Allen playing well is way more important than draft position. Well stated. Timing once again doesn’t appear to be on the Bills side. They need offense, and that’s not the strength of this draft. Live reps are critical for Allen if they’re going to show any improvement next season. Find out which players can at least be backups as most of the offensive starters should be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 IF Josh Allen starts, I'm rooting for a win and we should all be doing the same. He needs as many wins and as much locker room confidence as possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Doom Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: Here we go.....let's keep losing because that helps... I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: Here we go.....let's keep losing because that helps... It's what turned the Browns into a powerhouse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, Dr Doom said: I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year... This team won’t come close to the playoffs, and they’re not looking to draft a franchise QB in the upcoming draft. Last years playoff berth may have hurt somewhat by increasing the cost of securing a high pick. It’s all about what you’re willing to pay. In the end, Beane may have been a bit too penny-wise with his picks. They need a lot of players in this draft. Not one specific player. They need to increase their odds of success by drafting many players and hoping for an above average hit rate if they are going to be around to see this through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr Doom said: I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year... because they decided to gut the team instead of improve it....most teams build on a playoff season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Great organizations make the right picks when it is their turn in the NFL Draft. Bills have draft capital to move up if they need to get someone. The goal now is to get Allen game time and see some progression. If the Bills finish 5-11 and get say the 6th pick, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You need to adjust your expectations about Bills games. Think of "Peterman under center" from the comedic aspect... Is it a comedy or a tragedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 How many years of losing and top draft picks do we need? We've had almost two decades worth of high draft picks. How has it worked out for the Browns? This team needs to win as many games as possible. They need to learn to win. Winning is what will give Allen confidence. I hope we never have a top 10 draft pick again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Build a winning culture. That's the hard part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, klos63 said: losing has worked so well for us in the past. Do you want to keep losing for the next twenty years, build a mediocre almost .500 team that keeps you thinking next year is the year only to finish just under .500, or build a competitive team that wins above .500 with playoffs for the foreseeable future? Sorry kids, these things don't happen overnight and this team has been poorly run since 2000; takes time and drafting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: I don’t think you really need to hope they lose. Just relax. They are gonna lose. This is the BEST post I’ve seen on here in a long while! Classic! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If Allen is healthy he should be in the game and every game from here on out. Talented or not he gives us the best chance of winning which we should be teaching these guys to do, if Beane is a good talent evaluator which from his short tenure here it looks like he is (Edmunds, Allen, Harrison, Johnson) then he can find talent throughout the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'm not on board in ever rooting for a loss or trying to get a loss. While I can handle some of the inevitable losses we will suffer in our remaining 7 games, and see the silver lining of improved draft position, this organization after its shocking playoff appearance last year will be better served by a 5-11 season than a 2-14 season, as crazy as that sounds. As for Josh Allen, I would prefer to see him sit through the bye week, and want the decision to play him based on his development, and not 2018 season goals. I don't think there is any clear NFL roadmap as to watching the first year vs playing the first year, so McD can decide based on some of the little personal things along with health, and I'm fine either way. But we aren't going to be drafting a franchise QB this year, where the difference between #1 and #2 and #5 really matters, and position player drafts in the top ten are a crap shoot, so I am not rooting for a loss any game all season, and that strategy I think we should start all referring to as the Losers Fallacy. Top non-QBs in last five drafts that we have a little time to evaluate 2011: Von Miller 2, Dareus 3, AJGreen 4, Peterson 5, Julio Jones 6 (JJ Watt 11)...doesn't seem like losing an extra game made a difference, and I would love to pick Watt 2012: Richardson 3, Kalil 4, Blackmon 5, Claiborne 6, Barron 7, Kuechly 8, Gillmore 9...I'm happy picking 8 or 9 in that draft too. 2013: Fisher 1, Joekel 2, Jordon 3, Johnson 4, Ansah 5, Mingo 6...top tackles are nice... 2014: Clowney 1, Robinson 2, Watkins 4, Mack 5, Matthews 6, Evans 7, Gilbert 8, Barr 9, Ebron 10, Lewan 11, Beckham 12....if you were going to trade up to #4, I wanted to pick Mack on draft day, and if you are picking 5, 7, 12 in this draft you are fine too. 2015: FOwler 3, Cooper 4, Scherff 5...Gurley 10...I don't mind picking smart at 10 in this draft... A higher pick is always a great thing to have, and I'm rooting for the Giants, Raiders, Niners, Cardinals, Browns, Jets to help us out with some meaningless wins in the next few weeks, but not picking a QB, improving draft stock by tanking and being a joke of a team doesn't really add up to a winning future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. Same. I think we're playing bad enough to possibly land there naturally. And as a Houston Cougar season ticket holder, I'd be pumped if we got Oliver. But I'm not gonna advocate for a tank. These guys need to win to build confidence, as cliche as that sounds. I'm rooting for them to win and show improvement in every area possible. If we land a top pick when the season ends, cool. But that's not the endgame I'm rooting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I have stated recently that I am warming up to the idea of shelving Josh Allen for the rest of the season. If Derek Anderson is healthy enough he is playing on Sunday. McD has stated as much. I am fine with riding out DA and Matt Barkley to finish the season and secure a top 3-5 pick. I never want to see Peterman under center again though. Lets not win another, hope Oakland wins a few more and we grab the top overall pick. With ten total picks the Bills will be in a very good spot. 16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This is the BEST post I’ve seen on here in a long while! Classic! No kidding right? Someone who actually watches the game and understands what a dumpster fire our offense and special teams are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Build a winning culture. That's the hard part. No it isnt, dont you just flip a switch and it's a winning culture after losing for years and intentionally losing for picks? 24 minutes ago, vorpma said: Do you want to keep losing for the next twenty years, build a mediocre almost .500 team that keeps you thinking next year is the year only to finish just under .500, or build a competitive team that wins above .500 with playoffs for the foreseeable future? Sorry kids, these things don't happen overnight and this team has been poorly run since 2000; takes time and drafting! A .500 team with a chance to make the playoffs is much more enjoyable to watch then a 2-14 team that theres no guarantee things are going to get better. I would much rather have seasons where I hope they make the playoffs over where I hope that all the losing will maybe make the team get back to being .500 eventually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: No it isnt, dont you just flip a switch and it's a winning culture after losing for years and intentionally losing for picks? A .500 team with a chance to make the playoffs is much more enjoyable to watch then a 2-14 team that theres no guarantee things are going to get better. I would much rather have seasons where I hope they make the playoffs over where I hope that all the losing will maybe make the team get back to being .500 eventually Maybe for you; me I want a team that competes much like the 1990's Bills; I have watched three Bills teams rebuild after dismal seasons much like or worse than 2018. Lot of fun once it comes together but it takes time and most of all patience! I'd rather watch 2018 with hope than yawn through 2001 - 2016 knowing the end each December! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 It doesn't really matter about wanting losses,,because NO ONE in the NFL is trying to lose games on purpose. Teams may not have the same talent level but those who are playing, and coaching are trying to win. These guys jobs/careers depend on it. Losing and non-production gets people fired and/or smaller contracts. I can guarantee that McDermott is desperate to beat the Jets this weekend as are the coaches for the Raiders, Cardinals, Giants, etc.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If you think this Bills team has to go out of their way to TRY and lose a game, you just haven’t been watching 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The Jets were 7 1/2 point favorites, with Darnold out does it go to 10 or 10 1/2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Steptide said: I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. A top 3 pick is an asset that can be used or sold to the highest bidder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'd love to see us lose out, and I want Allen playing ASAP. This season was over on Week 1 and all that can be gained here on out is top draft picks. The sooner this organization gets to the day that they realize "Josh ain't it" the better off we all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The Bills are one of the best in the league at losing football games right now. I don't think this will be a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I'd love to see us lose out, and I want Allen playing ASAP. This season was over on Week 1 and all that can be gained here on out is top draft picks. The sooner this organization gets to the day that they realize "Josh ain't it" the better off we all are. best fans in the world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesn’t prove they got better while sitting. Rodgers improved as he continued starting. Mahomes was raw ( kind of like Allen in that regard) but probably was ready at some point last year after seeing things on film etc. They should have sat Allen for at least half the year, but famously screwed it up. There’s no point in turning back now. Allen isn’t going to improve by watching the worst NFL offense in generations do its thing. Well stated. Timing once again doesn’t appear to be on the Bills side. They need offense, and that’s not the strength of this draft. Live reps are critical for Allen if they’re going to show any improvement next season. Find out which players can at least be backups as most of the offensive starters should be replaced. But playing on the worst offense will. Those guys sat. You can only guess as to the outcomes if they hadn’t, which you did leave murky. I believe more QBs have been ruined by force feeding than sitting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, zow2 said: It doesn't really matter about wanting losses,,because NO ONE in the NFL is trying to lose games on purpose. Teams may not have the same talent level but those who are playing, and coaching are trying to win. These guys jobs/careers depend on it. Losing and non-production gets people fired and/or smaller contracts. I can guarantee that McDermott is desperate to beat the Jets this weekend as are the coaches for the Raiders, Cardinals, Giants, etc.. You don't understand what tanking means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Now is not the time to be winning these kinds of games. Peterman all the way. What do you mean, "find a way". That will happen regardless. If anyone thinks there's another win on that schedule, please send me what you';re on. I've never seen a more inept offensive line, wide receiver group, and offensive coordinator on all my life. Such a sad thing to see the defense we have wasted on such a group of Bums, especially Benjamin, he's flat-out garbage, of the sun-baked and hot variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Fans want to "shelve" Allen because they're nervous he's gonna look like garbage. The sooner we find out what we have, the better. Nobody is expecting him to light up the scoreboard with this offensive roster. He should be expected to show growth and competency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 As much as I think Allen should sit the year, it's almost too late for that unless he's really hurt. For Allen to be shelved permanently without hurting his confidence & ruining him permanently, it would've been better had we not played him at all. We should've had Anderson in the offseason & hung on to McCarron so we had a reasonable excuse to keep Allen benched. Now it'd look like the team doesn't have faith in him, and after everything else we've done wrong. I don't know anymore honestly, he never seemed like a great pick in the first place. On top of that, our coaching staff has made every bad decision in the "ruin rookie QB forever" playbook, so salvaging this mess is going to be hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If Allen is ready, I'd say play him, but only if he is ready. If that means wait until after the bye week, then fine also. I always thought that a few games off would do him good. This may be the best case scenario for his development...get him playing a handful of games...so he can see what regular season action is like...then have him take a few games off to digest things. He should be able to look at the game in a different (better) way from the sidelines these past few weeks because he WAS in there for a few games..rather than having to sit on the sidelines form the beginning. So he's had a few weeks off now...where during the week he can study/analyze defenses and game tape...and not spend most of his time learning a specific gameplan or running a scout team. Is it good he was injured...of course its not good but the time off ma have helped his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If it is beneficial to lose, rest assured, this team will find a way to win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 hours ago, vorpma said: Do you want to keep losing for the next twenty years, build a mediocre almost .500 team that keeps you thinking next year is the year only to finish just under .500, or build a competitive team that wins above .500 with playoffs for the foreseeable future? Sorry kids, these things don't happen overnight and this team has been poorly run since 2000; takes time and drafting! So by losing most of their games they will become a winning organization.... like Cleveland did? 7 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I'd love to see us lose out, and I want Allen playing ASAP. This season was over on Week 1 and all that can be gained here on out is top draft picks. The sooner this organization gets to the day that they realize "Josh ain't it" the better off we all are. So if Allen comes in and plays well, we win 4 or 5 games the rest of the season and that would be bad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 10 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: Shelving Allen will not hurt his development at all. With no OL and terrible WRs he isn't going to learn anything but bad habits like looking down at the rush and not keeping his eyes downfield. Or leaving the pocket due to fake pressure. shelve him. Fix the offense and let him learn next year. a lot of people have been saying this for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 "Find a way to lose" hahahahahaha That's the only thing they CAN find! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Relax... The Jets can score points. We cant. -The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Fadingpain said: You don't understand what tanking means. Actually, I don't think you do, its been one of the most widely misused terms used, especailly in Buffalo the last 5-10 years.... Tanking, in pro sports, is intentionally trying to lose games and not win in order to have the best chance of gaining a better pick in a draft Its something fans came up with to make themselves feel better about their team being bad because by doing this they will magically be better when they can get that top draft pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 hours ago, nucci said: best fans in the world When does the best fan ***** ever stop? What does being the best fan ever get anyone? A write up in a mmqb column, deadspin, grantland, and 30 or 40 seconds on ESPN once every 10 years when your team hosts a game? And when he's on ESPN, everyone at my job looked at him like he's disgusting. I couldn't think of any less impressive of an accomplishment than saying, I'm the best fan or we're the best fans. Miami and LA fans are regarded as bad, do you think that changes their lives? Being the best fan makes you look weird to the rest of society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) As for shelving Allen and worrying about his confidence, if that is going to be a problem for him he will never be a franchise starter. All they have to do is walk up to him and say "Hey kid, we really think your our future out there and love your potential, but right now, we don't want to see you get killed out there and think its better if you sit back this season and just watch from the sidelines for the last half of the year. Learn as much as you can being around the team and practice, get advise and work with Anderson, and next year we will get you in to start and show us what you got" Its not like they are just going to walk up to him and say, you looked like garbage out there, and got hurt so we don't want to see you on the field again this year. But even then, if saying something like that will destroy his confidence he would never have made it in the league. The guys that will succeed are ones that if they are told they suck and won't make it, they go back and work 10x's harder to prove those naysayers wrong. They use it to motivate them to get better and prove people wrong. 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: When does the best fan ***** ever stop? What does being the best fan ever get anyone? A write up in a mmqb column, deadspin, grantland, and 30 or 40 seconds on ESPN once every 10 years when your team hosts a game? And when he's on ESPN, everyone at my job looked at him like he's disgusting. I couldn't think of any less impressive of an accomplishment than saying, I'm the best fan or we're the best fans. Miami and LA fans are regarded as bad, do you think that changes their lives? Being the best fan makes you look weird to the rest of society. Its something that every teams fan believes and says, and is told by their teams, that they are the best fans in the world. Edited November 8, 2018 by apuszczalowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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