How would you fix the Offense?

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They certainly did and they'll have to own it.  

 

The issue is the midset of Buffalo from ownership down of Blue Collar must build a run first defense team because the “weather”. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

The issue is the mindset of Buffalo from ownership down of Blue Collar must build a run first defense team because the “weather”. 

 

It's an outdated mindset in today's NFL.  Even the 90's Bills' K-Gun offense refutes it as nonsense. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's an outdated mindset in today's NFL.  Even the 90's Bills' K-Gun offense refutes it as nonsense. 

 

True But that is the mindset here. 

[Nuncha]

42 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wo your cleaning house.  Who starts for you at QB, and is there a dead cap hit for cutting Benjamin?? 

How many other dead cap hits do they currently have?  They need to do something to shake up this mess - start cutting the worthless heads.  Does it matter who starts at QB?  It doesn't get worse than Peterman.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Azucho98

[sugashane69]

1 hour ago, Azucho98 said:

Yes you need talent but you also need someone who can game plan and build a scheme around the "talent" you have.  Do you really think he is a good coordinator?  It all starts with coaching.

Not game planning for the talent you have is exactly what dennison did and is exactly what daboll is doing!  Well said!

[sugashane69]

1 ...daboll gone..... go get the Seahawks old coordinator if he is still out there.  Obviously just work on developing Allen.

2. ...put peterman on the practice  squad or just let him go. Poor guy just doesn't have it. 

3..... find some OL help we need it in the worst way

4.... then wr help!  Every single wr should catch at least 200 balls a day. Use the machine and have them catch all different balls....then reps w the QBs.  BACK TO BASICS.   3 n 4 wont come till offseason most likely. 

5.... trade our most likely top 3 pick back to the 10-15 range ... ONLY IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. no it doesn't help now but we have some many holes we need players.

 

Seems to me the players have to fit a certain mold to play here.... maybe that could change a bit to!

[billsfan1959]

I think I will wait until I see what they do in the off-season. I have neither bought into what they are doing or the idea of firing anyone at this point. They are 1.5 years into a rebuild. They chose to get rid of some talented players and large contracts and eat all the dead cap space in 2018, lost several key players they did not intend on losing, and used a lot of their draft capital on what they believe will be the future cornerstone pieces of the offense and defense. All of which left them with little ability to improve a roster, particularly on the offensive line and receiver positions, with players that are more than one year quick fixes.

 

IMHO, they were very fortunate to be a playoff team last year (and that was after getting rid of  most of the players) and their plan all along was to try to stay as competitive as possible this year without sacrificing their ability to begin building around Allen next year and adding more pieces to the defense. You can agree or not agree with any of those choices; however, those are the choices they made and that they will sink or swim with. 

 

I have no problem with the owners allowing them this upcoming off-season and next year to follow through and show a marked improvement in this team.

[Soda Popinski]

There is nothing that can be done to right this ship until the offseason.  We are going to be 3-13 and probably pick 4th in the draft behind Oakland/NYG/AZ

 

We need to use our draft picks and salary cap to get the oline fixed and get some better wrs in.  we need a better backup QB who is capable of starting in the event Allen cannot go.   We need another #2 CB, we need a LB, and we need rotational DE/DTs.    

 

But first and foremost the offense must be addressed.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I see a lot of negativity (and rightfully so) but how would you fix the O? This is what I would do..

 

this year:

 

1. Bench Peterman he just isn’t that good.

 

2. Max protect on every pass play give the QB (Barkley) as much time as possible to find a receiver.

 

3. Enficize ball security!! It is better to punt and trust your top 10 D to stop them than to give the other team a short field. 

 

4. More screen passes

 

this wont fix it this year but will make the games competitive

1. Why is a Patriots fan here? Not welcome. 

 

2. Put McCoy into the slot, and get Murphy on the field more. This team is devoid of speed. 

 

3. Stop running out of shotgun or trying to "get the edge" on sweeps. The Bills lose yards every time they try that play. 

 

4. Instead of #3, start using the bubble screen to Zay Jones or McCloud. 

 

5. Put Croom out as a WR, put Benjamin in the slot. 

 

6. Actually try a drag route or cross. 

 

Now, all of these ideas outside of #1 revolve around passing, so our Coach is scared of that and none of these will be done because it isn't physical line of scrimmage establishing. 

[Bookie Man]

Not sure that there's any helping this offense at this point in the season. But if I were to try I would have to start with the running game.

 

This OL is bad. They're feeling the loss of Wood, Richie and Glenn. I know Cordy wasn't available much the past 2 seasons, but when he was in, he was good.

 Give #45 more carries.  I think Murphy's straight ahead running style may be more effective than Shady's stick and move style and put you in better spots in 2nd and 3rd down. 

 

More quick hits to Ray Ray. The kid has a pretty quick first step and can make nice cuts. More plays like in the 4th Q in the Vikings game. Could also be a good way to get to 2nd or 3rd and manageable. 

 

More jet sweeps/fake jet sweeps. I don't mean like the reverse to Zay yesterday where he picked up 1 or 2 yards. I'm talking about when the receiver comes in motion and the QB just pivots and hands him the ball. Again, someone shifty like Ray Ray or Murphy would be the best choice. Or just throw some eye candy to the defense. Any kind of misdirection to help this OL. 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Figure out how to run the ball.  If the line truly is this bad - then it really won't matter what plays you call.

As for passing - once allen is back.  Call the game as though he's good and see what he does.  He needs to see the field better.  If he's not going to be the guy, then i want his failure to set us up to draft the next one.  

 

2020 may be a good draft for QBs - and if he sucks we'll be in position to get one right?

Edited November 5, 2018 by dneveu

[Boatdrinks]

9 or 10 new starters, however they can be acquired

A new QB coach with an impressive track record

A new OL coach

A new Offensive Coordinator

Edited November 5, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[jrober38]

Fire Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane.

[DuckyBoys]

They can't.  Dawkins is ok, rest of the line is bad.  Mills has been bad for several years an he's still our starter.  Interior of the line does not communicate well in pass blocking and no push in the run game.  Receivers are slow and can't catch.  Clay is always hurt and frankly he's avg at best anyways.

 

Best we can hope for is Allen plays rest of the way and McDermott quits dreaming he is going to win one pt games and tells Daboll to go the full 60 minutes as if they are 2 tds down and pushing the football See if Allen can turn it loose and grow some confidence. 

 

All this mess wont get fixed next year. 

[BuffaloFan68]

How do you not fire Terry Robiskie & bench Benjamin?  These would be my first moves. 

[Epstein's Mother]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. Bench Peterman he just isn’t that good.

 

This is outrageous statement.  I hope you have some stats to back up your opinion.

[Irv]

I would punt on first down or throw the Hail Mary every play.  Statistically they couldn't do  much worse. 

[jrober38]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

How do you not fire Terry Robiskie & bench Benjamin?  These would be my first moves. 

 

The WR coach isn't the reason the wide receivers can't get open. 

[Epstein's Mother]

3 minutes ago, Irv said:

I would punt on first down or throw the Hail Mary every play.  Statistically they couldn't do  much worse. 

 

I think the punt on first down idea is better.  Peterman didn't know enough to throw the Hail Mary on the last play of the first half.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

This year isn’t possible.  Sign leveon bell, tyrell Williams, Daryl williams right tackle. Nkeal Harry first round, center second round. Guard third. 

 

 

It's early now so things can change but so far I like what I've researched about N'Keal Harry.  

[Boatdrinks]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

How do you not fire Terry Robiskie & bench Benjamin?  These would be my first moves. 

Interesting. I would actually fire Daboll then promote Robiskie to Offensive Coordinator. 

[Livinginthepast]

The combination of a GM who is bad at evaluating offensive talent with a bad to mediocre OC who cannot adjust his schemes to the players on the roster is a total disaster. Firing Daboll would be a good start but Beane is completely at fault for assembling this burning pile of manure on offense. He needs to go as well. Derek Anderson as a solution to the QB issues has to be the worst idea of this regime.

[BmarvB]

For starters......

1) Fire up the grill under Daboll's seat

2) Replace some of the position coaches (QB, WR, OL)

3) Rebuild the O-line

4) Upgrade the WR position

5) Bring in a more serviceable veteran backup QB.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by BmarvB

[Blokestradamus]

I'd take a blank cheque to Norman and tell Lincoln Riley to write any number he wants on it. That dude is special.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

Best way to fix this offense is to bring in veterans. 

 

We can't continue to play with inexperience and expect them to learn without any help.

[nucci]

31 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said:

 

I think the punt on first down idea is better.  Peterman didn't know enough to throw the Hail Mary on the last play of the first half.

I think he was afraid he wouldn't reach the end zone

[Bangarang]

Fixing the offense likely involves waiting for Allen to flame out and for McD to get fired. 

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Fixing the offense likely involves waiting for Allen to flame out and for McD to get fired. 

 

Agreed.

 

We'll have a better offense when we replace Beane, McDermott and Allen. 

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

This year isn’t possible.  Sign leveon bell, tyrell Williams, Daryl williams right tackle. Nkeal Harry first round, center second round. Guard third. 

 

 

HARD NO to bell.  He would suck behind this line.  His move is a hesisitation and hit the hole. 

 

I'd take Coleman from Atlanta over Bell.  Otherwise, I like the T. Williams, and OL.  N. Harry in the first round, esp. if we trade down to get him would be good. 

[Luka]

Tank this season once and for all, use draft picks and cap money to build around Allen. I really don't think the coaching is the issue at this point. The team is absolutely devoid of talent on offense. You won't see 90% of the guys we release in the off season play for another team.

[iinii]

3 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

FIRE DABOLL

In a who to fire thread I said I believe this is the place to start. Even with more better weapons Daboll is not the man for the job. He doesn’t have the experience or expertise to mentor Allen, build a dominant Offense (like Andy Reid), or take us to the top. 

You (metaphorically speaking) may say but he won at Alabama and has a ring with NE. Those teams didn’t win because of him, they won because he worked for two of the best in the business. Daboll is an out of position, position coach. 

[RyanC883]

Here are my suggestions, in this order (only personnel.  I would also get a QB, OL coach, and perhaps new OC):

 

(1) Sign Bridgewater.  Now, a competent vet for Allen to learn from.   He is a FA after this season, and we can outbid others for him with our cap space. 

 

(2) Sign best FA Center available (unless he is not a "top caliber" center.  Then draft one.  No point in signing another Bodine/Gory)

 

(3) Sign  at least one of:  Geronomio. Allison,  R. Cobb, Golden Tate, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Deonte Thompson,  T. Williams. 

 

(4) Sign one of: Coleman, Ingram, L. Murry. 

 

Draft what you didn't get above, but don't reach.  Either trade-down or take BPA. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by RyanC883

[DCOrange]

I can definitively say that one part in fixing the offense would be to not be spending by far the most money on RBs in the league.

[Victory Formation]

There is no fixing this offense. Not this year. Next year Daboll should be gone, McD should be given one more draft. What he does or not does at OC will ultimately determine his fate. I don't like Daboll but who else could McD hire at this point? Nobody credible. No one will come here and I really really think the only way to turn this franchise around is to pluck a QB coach or OC from the Rams, Chiefs or Eagles and pair him with Allen is the only way to fix this offense. I'd keep Leslie Frazier and all of our defensive staff to continue to build a culture on defense, everyone else gone. This probably won't happen until next off-season though, but I do think it's going to happen. How can McD get out of this? He is on the hot seat, Daboll is terrible and that's who he's stuck with, it's just a matter of time at this point.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

I think he was afraid he wouldn't reach the end zone

Or he envisioned one of his patented INTs going 100yds for a TD.

[Rico]

5 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

- Play your best lineman for the rest of this year.

- Play the young skill guys.

- Keep developing Allen when ready and ahemmm... Peterman, if he's even in our next years plans.

- In the draft, trade down/up and draft 2 offensive lineman and 2 WRs in the first two rounds.

- Overpay for an established pro-bowl caliber WR or trade a 2020 2nd rounder for one.  I'm thinking Brandon Cooks type move here.

- Keep Daboll around at least another year.

 

I believe the dearth of offensive talent is the biggest issue, followed closely by inexperienced QB play.

 

Other than the defense's vast improvement, this year is no big surprise to anybody, is it?

Yep, good post.

 

I have no problem with others ranting and raving, it’s fun to do, especially when things are going bad. Me, I just look back to Allen in the Vikings game and imagine him next year with more experience, a much better OL and much better WRs.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

It's all about Allen at this point, so...

 

1) Get Josh Allen a QB mentor that will be here for 4 or so years and get him a QB coach that does more than chew gum at an alarmingly fast rate.

 

2) I saw Sirles get some time yesterday, didn't hear about an injury to Mills, so keep that up and find out what we have in reserve on the oline, especially when it won't get Allen killed. I would say the same for wr, but I don't think we have anyone talented enough. I guess just see if Pryor is worth a contract next season.

 

3) In the off season, find Josh Allen a go to receiver that is tall, has greater than a 5" vertical and wants to win a jump ball with a 5' 10" guy (I'm looking at you KB). If Pryor does work out and we find a go to target, our top three wr wouldn't be terrible. 

 

4) Get someone to evaluate offensive players, in the front office and the field. The folks that decided Nate Peterman and Ryan Groy were starters coming out of camp should be demoted/replaced with folks who know what they're talking about or just overrule them.  Beane needs to hire someone to tell him what offensive pro personnel to sign because he's not doing a good enough job.

 

5) After that, for me, it's about the oline. In the draft we may be high enough to get a pass rusher in the first and I'm okay with that, but you better hit on 2nd and 3rd round guys for the offense and at least one of them needs to be a starting oline. We should be able to get another one in FA and hopefully one of the guys we have already will improve enough to start.

 

6) The rest of our 10 picks should help our depth and special teams. Olineman, wr's, a dynamic punt returner and backup dl, lb and db's to help with field position on special teams.

 

7) As for te, I'm a believer that the bottom of the first round is a nice place to grab one. To me, spending a high pick on te is for after you made the playoffs with a solid team and you can get someone to take you to the next level. Most TE's are not only dependent on the qb and oline, but also need decent wr's to have enough space to work in. So a top te is the final piece for my offense, but that would be 2020 at the earliest.  If we need some middle tiers folks, grab someone in fa, I'm guessing Clay may get cut after the season.

 

8) At rb, I don't like Murphy because he can't pass block, so I'd try to replace him with as talented a guy as possible. Ride out the contacts of Shady and Ivory and draft as needed after 2019

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by 4BillsintheBurgh

[OrediggerPoke]

The current line cant sustain their blocks and the receivers can't catch making the drop back passing game dangerous and ineffective.

 

To neutralize this, I would wait for Josh Allen to come back and: (1) roll Allen out often on passing downs because he is a more accurate passer on the run than in the pocket (strange but true); (2) run a lot of read-option and let Allen and McCoy generate some yards on their feet; (3) every other play should be a run pass option to mitigate teams from loading the box to stop the run.  Additionally, this offense would not be a quick score offense and would be based heavily on execution.  Accordingly, sure handed receivers are an absolute necessity for such a scheme because zero yard plays would make 1st down conversions very difficult.  I would bench Kelvin Benjamin and pick up possession guy(s) like Tanner Gentry.

 

I'm sure I will get blasted with this unconventional thought approach and how it wont work in the NFL.  I can only speak from what I see with the current Bills team and the ways to neutralize the shortcomings.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

1st thing you do is hire a successful,  NFL experienced OC...

 

Who is this magical OC? You want a successful experienced OC wasn't that Rick Dennison? He was trash according to this board, Mccoy became available and most on here say he's trash also. Who is this guy you speak of? Name some realistic names.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Who is this magical OC? You want a successful experienced OC wasn't that Rick Dennison? He was trash according to this board, Mccoy became available and most on here say he's trash also. Who is this guy you speak of? Name some realistic names.

why do I have to mention names? I'm answering the post...I feel we need an experienced OC.. I would have preferred McVay or Shanahan as HC over McDermott.