26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 And a work ethic problem too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Many players do. Heck Bruce Smith took a little time to get it together. Bills should have kept Watkins. He’d be the primary weapon on this team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Didn't he say the same thing last year with Rams. 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Didn't I read the same article last year, when he was on the Rams? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, billsherd said: Didn't he say the same thing last year with Rams. Yes he did. Maybe he’s growing up. Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Many players do. Heck Bruce Smith took a little time to get it together. Bills should have kept Watkins. He’d be the primary weapon on this team. They should’ve picked up his 5th year option. There’s no doubt Sammy would have jumped at the chance to leave Buffalo when FA starts and there’s no way in hell he would be worth the price tag. As he demonstrates time and time again, Sammy is not a # 1 WR and should not be paid like one. He is a very good decoy though 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Many players do. Heck Bruce Smith took a little time to get it together. Bills should have kept Watkins. He’d be the primary weapon on this team. Sammy wanted the ball in Buffalo. I can’t really blame him for that. He was embarrassed that players taken lower than him in the draft (and considered lesser WR’s) outperformed him both on the stat sheet and on the field. I will will never buy into the fact that Sammy that Sammy is one of the best WR’s in the league. He’s on a second....maybe a third tier. Not a #1 WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 eh. that's not the end of the world for a wr, and i'm not even really a sammy fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Should still be here on 5th year option. But McD cant handle egos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Being the Chiefs 3rd option fixed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Is that what the kids call it these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Should still be here on 5th year option. But McD cant handle egos IMO Sammy is an underachiever. Not a #1 and never lived up to his hype. Still, declining the option on him was a big mistake. Even if they wanted to trade him, the 5th year option would only have driven up his value even higher. And if they wanted to move on after year 5, they could have always tagged and traded him like a Jarvis Landry. Again, you can fault The Pegulas for keeping Whaley around as a lame duck. If Beane comes on in Jan, we could be looking at a much different roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: IMO Sammy is an underachiever. Not a #1 and never lived up to his hype. Still, declining the option on him was a big mistake. Even if they wanted to trade him, the 5th year option would only have driven up his value even higher. And if they wanted to move on after year 5, they could have always tagged and traded him like a Jarvis Landry. Again, you can fault The Pegulas for keeping Whaley around as a lame duck. If Beane comes on in Jan, we could be looking at a much different roster You mean the McD Yes man. McD ran that offseason NOT Whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 waste of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He still has one... He believes he's a top 5 receiver in the league but he's not. He doesn't work hard. Any top-5 WR swapping with Watkins would be putting up monster numbers in KC right now.. not Sammys measly 4th-option stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I believe he thought he was going to come into Buffalo and everything was going to come easy for him and he would be one of the players to turn the Bills around. When it didn't happen overnight, he got frustrated and either stopped caring, or wanted out as soon as he could. It's too bad, I still think he has great talent - if only he'd put in the work. I remember being really excited when we traded up for him. Boy, was I wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said: I believe he thought he was going to come into Buffalo and everything was going to come easy for him and he would be one of the players to turn the Bills around. When it didn't happen overnight, he got frustrated and either stopped caring, or wanted out as soon as he could. It's too bad, I still think he has great talent - if only he'd put in the work. I remember being really excited when we traded up for him. Boy, was I wrong.... How do you come to this conclusion with the 1st two seasons he had with 2K plus receiving yards and 15 TDs before getting injured in 2016? Where is your evidence that he didn't work on his craft as a WR? Edited October 30, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, billsherd said: Didn't he say the same thing last year with Rams. Yes, and he doesn't dis his time with the Rams here at all. He indicates that the step up in maturity occurred last season, not this one. 4 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said: I believe he thought he was going to come into Buffalo and everything was going to come easy for him and he would be one of the players to turn the Bills around. When it didn't happen overnight, he got frustrated and either stopped caring, or wanted out as soon as he could. It's too bad, I still think he has great talent - if only he'd put in the work. I remember being really excited when we traded up for him. Boy, was I wrong.... He played extremely well when healthy for Buffalo. Dominating at times, in fact. 10 minutes ago, Jobot said: He still has one... He believes he's a top 5 receiver in the league but he's not. He doesn't work hard. Any top-5 WR swapping with Watkins would be putting up monster numbers in KC right now.. not Sammys measly 4th-option stats. Huh??? No one with any real knowledge has ever said that about Watkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, billsherd said: Didn't he say the same thing last year with Rams. He always says after having a decent game. The dude is average and he thought he was some superstar before ever stepping on an NFL field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Should still be here on 5th year option. But McD cant handle egos McD can handle egos. He just doesn't want to. Plus Sammy had an injury problem as well as a character one. Did you read the story about Sammy whining for targets? So Shady put a punch of paper targets in an envelope and gave them to Sammy to mock & embarrass him? That's not the kind of story that emerges from a winning team's locker room. Sammy's admitted that when he was with the Bills, he was more interested in personal stats than wins. At that time, Sammy was a gimpy, me-first, egomaniac. Why would you want a guy like that on your team? Teamwork, culture, chemistry... these things are all important and Sammy was poison when here. I'm glad to hear he's acknowledged his shortcomings since then and is growing as a man and as a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Huh??? No one with any real knowledge has ever said that about Watkins. The fact that he has a big ego, thinks he's the best in the league, has many ppl believing that he has all the natural gifts required to be a great receiver, and STILL puts up measly numbers as a teams 4th option tells me he obviously doesn't work as hard as what would be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jobot said: The fact that he has a big ego, thinks he's the best in the league, has many ppl believing that he has all the natural gifts required to be a great receiver, and STILL puts up measly numbers as a teams 4th option tells me he obviously doesn't work as hard as what would be necessary. This is just wrong. He's on pace for 1,000 yards this season in an offense that spreads the ball around like no other. In 7 games (he missed one early on with a hamstring issue; he went out after the first play), he has 34 catches for 453 yards. He didn't have a ton of catches for the Rams last year, but 8 TDs (plus a TD in the playoff game) and a 15+ ypc average is no joke. Edited October 30, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: McD can handle egos. He just doesn't want to. Plus Sammy had an injury problem as well as a character one. Did you read the story about Sammy whining for targets? So Shady put a punch of paper targets in an envelope and gave them to Sammy to mock & embarrass him? That's not the kind of story that emerges from a winning team's locker room. Sammy's admitted that when he was with the Bills, he was more interested in personal stats than wins. At that time, Sammy was a gimpy, me-first, egomaniac. Why would you want a guy like that on your team? Teamwork, culture, chemistry... these things are all important and Sammy was poison when here. I'm glad to hear he's acknowledged his shortcomings since then and is growing as a man and as a player. Looks like it. What is our record again?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It depends on how that ego manifested itself. It doesn't seem to me that it affected his effort or play. A huge number of pro athletes obviously have enormous egos and ego problems. For some of them it affects their play negatively, and it's a problem to some degree. For most it doesn't. It doesn't appear that it affected Sammy's play on the field here or anywhere, although it's possible. He didn't seem to say that in any way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How do you come to this conclusion with the 1st two seasons he had with 2K plus receiving yards and 15 TDs before getting injured in 2016? Where is your evidence that he didn't work on his craft as a WR? I don't know where I was going with that. I know he did fairly well when he was in Buffalo. Maybe I wanted more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Looks like it. What is our record again?? Unfortunately, talent matters too. And - with the lowest paid roster in the NFL - we don't have much. So I get your point. We sent Sammy away and now we don't have WRs who can get separation. I'm just saying hindsight is 20-20 and at that time the injuries and character issues made Sammy a guy the coaches didn't want to keep around. I can see why. It's not as silly and simplistic as "McD can't handle egos." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: Unfortunately, talent matters too. And - with the lowest paid roster in the NFL - we don't have much. So I get your point. We sent Sammy away and now we don't have WRs who can get separation. I'm just saying hindsight is 20-20 and at that time the injuries and character issues made Sammy a guy the coaches didn't want to keep around. I can see why. It's not as silly and simplistic as "McD can't handle egos." They traded every player that had a little edge in ego. But hey they brought in Benjamin who has also had an ego and lazy since he came in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Unfortunately, talent matters too. And - with the lowest paid roster in the NFL - we don't have much. So I get your point. We sent Sammy away and now we don't have WRs who can get separation. I'm just saying hindsight is 20-20 and at that time the injuries and character issues made Sammy a guy the coaches didn't want to keep around. I can see why. It's not as silly and simplistic as "McD can't handle egos." The thing about the injuries is that almost every player in the NFL gets injured at some point. Nothing he had was debilitating long-term, and you can't let random events like injuries dominate how you project a player's future performance. Same can be said for Goodwin. Christ, Woods was playing with a torn groin and Hogan with torn ligaments in his wrist. Bills fans said Woods looked slow and that Hogan couldn't catch in their final seasons here. I'd say the same about Cordy Glenn now, who is playing quite well for Cincy (rated "above average" by PFF as of this week). Edited October 30, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Rehashed, used news. Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 “To all the people that have a problem with me being injured you guys go out there and play this sport it’s a 100% injury rate,” Watkins wrote. “I’m not first or last person that’s gone be injured difference from me and you guys y’all mad and I’m not get a life and goto work stop worrying about my job because I’m good on this end and forever will be losers most of you just wish to be in this position so continue working y’all little jobs for the rest of y’all lives since everyone once a response here go one have a blessed day.” Yeah - this is the kind of ego you want on your team. What a jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I guess he must've had some sort of epiphany while zipping around in his little starship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: Yes he did. Maybe he’s growing up. Hope so. Or he has dementia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: You mean the McD Yes man. McD ran that offseason NOT Whaley Not according to the Pegulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Man, all y'all little job having losers really got butthurt about that one Sammy tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He's making progress. Maybe he'll next admit to his douchebag problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Noooooooo, you don't say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Not according to the Pegulas. Sure sure. Gonna allow your GM you are about to fire call the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 2:05 PM, Jobot said: He still has one... He believes he's a top 5 receiver in the league but he's not. He doesn't work hard. Any top-5 WR swapping with Watkins would be putting up monster numbers in KC right now.. not Sammys measly 4th-option stats. Funny how the two top offensive coaches in the league wanted him. Funny that both of those teams got better with him on offense. It’s weird that some teams understand that you need multiple threats on offense and receivers can make an impact without getting 100 yards every game. but I definitely agree with McBean’s and jaded Bills fans’ opinion on offense over Reid and McVay. Excellent moves like Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, and trading up for Zay instead of staying put for JuJu or Kupp shows their keen eye for offensive talent. On 10/30/2018 at 3:53 PM, Fadingpain said: He's making progress. Maybe he'll next admit to his douchebag problem. Haha, definitely rather have Benjamin’s character for the culture!!! What was Sammy’s attitude here anyways? Playing to early on an injured foot to appease stupid fans questioning his toughness? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Man we spend an awful lot of time on a guy who is once again on pace to have less than a thousand yards in a season. And people still defend the guy like he is an elite talent. Give me a break. Never had more than 65 catches in a season. Never had more than 9 touchdowns in a season. Had one (hardly) 1,000 yard season in five years. Most glaringly he has played one full season in five years. Glad he is gone. Glad we didnt pay the decoy 16 million dollars a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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