GunnerBill Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Some of us did say this was a risk with Allen when the injury happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: If Mahommes was starting here he would not have the all star cast of offensive players to INCLUDE a offensive line that doesnt let him get sacked..... He would NOT look like this with our players..... That's not even the discussion we're having here. No doubt any rookie QB playing under a prehistoric defensive-minded coach would look better playing under Reid. The argument is that young QBs learn best playing, not sitting and watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 If that were to be the case then just trade shady and kb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I hope he gets a few more games of live experience later in the year, but health comes first. Playing with a better supporting cast sure would help, though.... As for the statement, sure, never rule anything out and say as little as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Perry Turtle said: That's not even the discussion we're having here. No doubt any rookie QB playing under a prehistoric defensive-minded coach would look better playing under Reid. The argument is that young QBs learn best playing, not sitting and watching. I apologize if I misunderstood the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They better not half ass it so long that Allen loses time in 2019 If he needs surgery just bite the bullet now and start the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Yea. Maybe explore a trade for Carr if the rumors are true of Gruden looking to get rid of him. At what price? Carr is not a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: New QB's don't learn much from the sidelines. They are only ever there if there is already an entrenched starter on the roster. Who says they dont learn from the sidelines? It's just as likely they dont learn by being thrown to the wolves with no talent to help them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What was his injury exactly? If he stretched a ligament then it's just a waiting game for the pain to go away. Ligaments don't tighten back up without surgury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I interpret that as: -They don't want to get Josh pummelled the rest of the season and end up with a broken horse -There are no takers. No one wants to part with draft picks or players- especially for the junk Buffalo is offering 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 And last year they were not accumulating picks for a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: New QB's don't learn much from the sidelines. They are only ever there if there is already an entrenched starter on the roster. I have said for a while now that his injury is quite possibly worse than many believe, especially given his reliance on velocity. 21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: UCL Sprain. Nothing specified on the grade. IIRC, Andrews said it was a partial tear. It is a serious injury. also, fans need to understand that agents have a large voice in these situations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: At what price? Carr is not a great QB. He is head and shoulders better then the ones currently on this roster. Dump Benjamin and get Pryor and another competent WR and maybe the offence can get back to scoring almost 20 points a game? Oh wait, they cant do that, it would hurt their chances at 1st overall which will help this team much more then getting a winning attitude and keeping the defensive players happy that the teamnisnt throwing away another season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Good, shut him down the rest of the season. Let him learn from the sidelines which was the original plan. Go 3-13 and get him better weapons next year. Upgrade the oline in FA. If he doesn't improve we'll know a lot more next year. He might be better of learning by watching other NFL teams, there is nothing to learn from this offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just hoping if he misses the rest of the season it’s because the bills are letting him sit back and take notes rather than he is missing the season because we have no choice and this injury is worse than originally thought... After all, the “gamble” on Allen is entirely based on his arm strength, so I really hope that arm is gonna make a full recovery and nothing less 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He'll be back after the Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, mattynh said: And last year they were not accumulating picks for a qb. and also were not actively shopping Watkins or Darby or Dareus. Beane seems to have a knack for making trades when not trying to make trades I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, cba fan said: and also were not actively shopping Watkins or Darby or Dareus. Beane seems to have a knack for making trades when not trying to make trades I guess. Or trading our best guinea pig away in McCarron... Beane head has a knack for being bone headed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Didnt he pull that not actively shopping ba before he traded some name players? Hes full of crap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: New QB's don't learn much from the sidelines. They are only ever there if there is already an entrenched starter on the roster. Tell that to Patrick Mahomes... Tell that to Aaron Rodgers... Tell that to Phillip Rivers... Tell that to Carson Palmer... Josh Allen was a known project QB who NEEDED to sit for a season. You don't start a rookie QB with this crapfest of a supporting cast around him. This is good news if they will let him sit and learn by watching Anderson. Hopefully he gets a new offensive coaching staff, new line, new WRs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Maybe he should shut him down next season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Jesus. If Allen misses the rest of the season just fire McBeane right now and start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Brandon Beane should be fired. Today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Let him learn from the sidelines Learn what? How to suck? So idiotic! They don't have a veteran to teach him *****. Edited October 30, 2018 by PeterDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 So what you’re saying is I should cancel my DirecTv? Roger that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I have said for a while now that his injury is quite possibly worse than many believe, especially given his reliance on velocity. IIRC, Andrews said it was a partial tear. It is a serious injury. also, fans need to understand that agents have a large voice in these situations. Sprains are stretches or tears in a ligament. I know your son I believe had a ligament injury but you need to quit projecting what's going on with Allen based on your limited personal history. They have had him checked out and they say it's week to week. No reason for them to lie. 2 hours ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said: Jesus. If Allen misses the rest of the season just fire McBeane right now and start over. Why> because a guy gets hurt they should be fired? This firing nonsense needs to stop. YEs fans are frustrated but they are not firing Beane nor are they firing McDermott anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stuvian Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 guess I'll have to give away my seasons now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I don't believe anything he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 This staff is in over their head(s). They should not be trusted on any decisions they make on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: He'll be back after the Bye. I hope so too, he comes back week 12 and he has 6 games to further his development. It will suck if he's shut down for the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 44 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Sprains are stretches or tears in a ligament. I know your son I believe had a ligament injury but you need to quit projecting what's going on with Allen based on your limited personal history. They have had him checked out and they say it's week to week. No reason for them to lie. Why> because a guy gets hurt they should be fired? This firing nonsense needs to stop. YEs fans are frustrated but they are not firing Beane nor are they firing McDermott anytime soon. I'm not projecting. I'm merely reacting to a comment from the friggin' gm in which he doesn't rule out Allen missing the season. That is both new and genuine news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I'm not projecting. I'm merely reacting to a comment from the friggin' gm in which he doesn't rule out Allen missing the season. That is both new and genuine news. Because he's week to week. If the docs aren't sure, why do you think Beane would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because he's week to week. If the docs aren't sure, why do you think Beane would be? Don't you think it's odd for a gm to suggest the very real possibility of the worst possible outcome? Teams simply don't do that. He volunteered it on his own too; he wasn't asked about it specifically. This comes in a situation in which we were all told a mere 13 days ago that it'd be 2-3 weeks and that the injury was "not believed to be serious." Edited October 30, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: Don't you think it's odd for a gm to auggest the very real possibility of the worst possible outcome (on his own; he wasn't asked about that specifically)? This comes in a situation in which we were all told a mere 13 days ago that it'd be 2-3 weeks and that the injury was "not believed to be serious." No I don't think it's odd. He's week to week. That means there's uncertainty when he returns. I suspect they'll be careful bringing him back before he's ready. I think you're reading too much into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: No I don't think it's odd. He's week to week. That means there's uncertainty when he returns. I suspect they'll be careful bringing him back before he's ready. I think you're reading too much into this. We'll see. I think it's very odd. I'm more pessimistic about this than you, obviously. I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I take that point, but McBeane has a vested interest in keeping their jobs as long as humanly possible. From an organizational standpoint, it makes sense to play Allen, let him learn, and figure out what we have. From McBeane's perspective, the longer you can dangle the hope Allen represents in Pegula's face, you longer you collect a paycheck. I'm really not trying to bash JA here, but the sooner we find out what we have, the better. Mahomes sat the entire year (minus 1 game), learned from Smith then showed up and blew the doors off. Ill take that situation over JA playing in the dark with no line and getting demolished. Sitting sure didnt seem to hurt Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady but hey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Has this become the official trade deadline thread? I need some deals after last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: Who says they dont learn from the sidelines? It's just as likely they dont learn by being thrown to the wolves with no talent to help them. This topic has been explained to death in countless other threads. All 4 rookie QBs from the 1st round have started games in their rookie year. They were drafted A): because their teams had bad records, B) because their team didn't have an entrenched starter. They absolutely get "thrown to the wolves", unless their team has a Brett Favre or an Alex Smith or a Drew Brees or even a Jay Cutler already on the roster. That's how the NFL does this. Not sure why this is hard to figure out. 7 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Tell that to Patrick Mahomes... Tell that to Aaron Rodgers... Tell that to Phillip Rivers... Tell that to Carson Palmer... Josh Allen was a known project QB who NEEDED to sit for a season. You don't start a rookie QB with this crapfest of a supporting cast around him. This is good news if they will let him sit and learn by watching Anderson. Hopefully he gets a new offensive coaching staff, new line, new WRs. see my post above. Edited October 30, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: This topic has been explained to death in countless other threads. All 4 rookie QBs from the 1st round have started games in their rookie year. They were drafted A): because their teams had bad records, B) because their team didn't have an entrenched starter. They absolutely get "thrown to the wolves", unless their team has a Brett Favre or an Alex Smith or even a Jay Cutler already on the roster. That's how the NFL does this. Not sure why this is hard to figure out. The counter argument is Mahomes who sat almost an entire year without game action. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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