3rdand12 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 5:01 PM, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: ESPN Talking heads said the Raiders are shopping Derek Carr and said he "might" be had for a 2nd. What do you think he's worth? Gruden is a nutbucket 5 hours ago, fl az fan said: What a strange twist of fate this would be for my Raiders fan brother. He is dumping the Raiders when they move to Vegas anyway but here is the irony if this trade were to occur. At the end of the 1966 season, the Bills shipped Daryle Lamonica off to Oakland. My brother (a huge fan of Daryle) started the 67 season as a Raiders homer. He actually moved to that area (for other reasons) and has been a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years. He is a big supporter of Carr and hates Davis and Chuckie. This would surely help his transition back to the Bills once the Raiders have skipped town! My Son in LA likes Carr and loved Mack hate Gruden so do i then 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: well if he gets his guys it might work out. sounds trendy. and familiar... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 49 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: I hears Eli might get traded to Jacksonville. Dont know the credibility of it tho Think Dougie will finally smile if Eli does go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Some folks seem to think Carr's contract is too high, but from what I have heard, it is pretty manageable after this year. Then the problem becomes fitting in a 16M cap hit for this year. I don't know how you figure that one out. I think Carr has definitely regressed significantly. If he can return to form, that would be a good deal. i don't know how they can redo the money, but carr and cooper could drastically turn around this franchise. qb comp. next year. 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: well if he gets his guys it might work out. like kb for ajm. send him, a 2nd this year and next for carr and cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i don't know how they can redo the money, but carr and cooper could drastically turn around this franchise. qb comp. next year. like kb for ajm. send him, a 2nd this year and next for carr and cooper. I am still in on Allen, I wouldn't trade Allen at this point. He could be great just needs time and weapons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I am still in on Allen, I wouldn't trade Allen at this point. He could be great just needs time and weapons. When he says qb comp. next year, I take that to imply Allen as part of the competition. I still believe he will be a very good pro if given time to develop and an adequate surrounding cast. Still not sold on any of our offensive coaches, either, for that matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: I am still in on Allen, I wouldn't trade Allen at this point. He could be great just needs time and weapons. i wouldn't think of trading allen. send kb , a 2nd next year and a 2nd 2020 for carr and cooper. next year have a qb battle possibly. it would be a good problem to have.... and we have some money to spend. i think we have 2 2nd rd. picks next year, i gotta look that up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 No. No guarantee he's a 100% recovered from the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 6:02 PM, Idandria said: And if he plays well, expect to see a full TBD board IMPLOSION! And rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 If you are sold on either Allen or Carr, there’s no reason not to make this happen. You’ll get better value back from one of them in two years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The contracts honestly not bad. Hits would be 20m or lower the whole way for whoever gets him and essentially no hit to cut him, so a series of 1 year non guaranteed deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 11 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Its friendlier than it looks because Oakland will assume some dead cap. Like when Dareus went to Jacksonville, his cap hit wasn’t $16M like in Buffalo. It was $10M for Jax. Just about $48M of Carr’s $125M was paid out already. That would leave just over $77M over 4 years. I am not sure on this, but I think that would make his cap hit $19.33M at most. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/derek-carr-14445/ Does anyone know know for sure how you figure out what his cap hit would be if traded? I took $125M. Subtracted the $47,675,000 already paid, then divided the remaining money ($77,325,000) by 4 (yrs). Seems every time an expert gives a cap number another one has a completely different one two seconds later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, row_33 said: Seems every time an expert gives a cap number another one has a completely different one two seconds later All you need to do is take his cap hit and back out the already paid out money that’s been amortized (ie signing bonus) bar napkin- the team that paid it keeps it on their books Edited October 21, 2018 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 As much as it sucks to say this, he's easily worth more than what we gave up for Allen, no question. The problem is can we really afford to give up such a large haul two years in a row? I don't know...but man, this Bills team would look a hell of a lot more dangerous with someone like Carr behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 13 hours ago, BigDingus said: As much as it sucks to say this, he's easily worth more than what we gave up for Allen, no question. The problem is can we really afford to give up such a large haul two years in a row? I don't know...but man, this Bills team would look a hell of a lot more dangerous with someone like Carr behind center. Perhaps the center should be considered first ? and the guards and the wrs. at least concurrently. : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Anyone still want to tell me after this week trading for Carr would not be smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Anyone still want to tell me after this week trading for Carr would not be smart Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Anyone still want to tell me after this week trading for Carr would not be smart It would be the best thing to happen since making the playoffs last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I would give them our 2nd in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) I don’t even like Carr but if I was the Bills GM, I would give myself a life line here. I personally think Allen is terrible and I don’t really expect that to change. If a 2nd can get Carr, give yourself two shots at this thing here and maybe Beane can survive a miss on Allen. A smart team would take a shot here and at least give you a guy that can play while Allen learns. That being said, we won’t do it. We will put all our eggs in Allen’s basket and have a new coach, GM and QB by 2020 Edited October 21, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: I would give them our 2nd in a heartbeat And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. I would give Benjamin would need to move contracts this year to make this fit). 2018 2nd and a 2019 Conditional 3rd for Carr and Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The Bills have 10 positions other than QB on offense that need to be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. And that's why the Bills still suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 11:40 PM, LittleJoeCartwright said: The 2019 free agent class looks mediocre, although led by Golden Tate and Randall Cobb. There's also Funchess, Terrell Pryor (again) and Enumwa. I think Tate or Cobb would immediately be the Bills #1 receiver while the others, meh. You can keep Golden Showers Tate......no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I honest to god see no way this thing gets turned around with these ***** in charge. Trading for Carr literally might be the 1 shot these guys have at changing things. Carr and Allen going into next year, is much different. 2 shots at finding a QB might actually restore some faith here. If this guy is really available, I think it would be the smartest thing the Bills could do. Again, I don’t like Carr that much but my god...compared to what we normally have? I don’t care what it means for THIS season. It’s the best move we can make for the next 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 New York Giants would be the perfect location for him, they would be crazy not to go after him. He would instantly improve that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 For a 2nd? Hell yea. Gotta explore. Beane better be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. This can’t be serious right? If you can get Carr for a 2nd and you are the Bills. A team that hasn’t had a good qb in 25 years....and you don’t do it? What are we doing here? If a team gets him for a 2 and it’s not us, then that’s why we always suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 If you can get a talented, proven guy at a high profile position, why not pay up? 2 first rounders for Mack was a steal for the Bears. I’d rather cough up a 2nd, but would be happy to give a 1st if that’s what gets Carr. Thing is, we have Allen. Unless he is out for the year, no way these guys pull the trigger and essentially concede Allen isn’t ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 hours ago, joesixpack said: And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. You must work for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: You must work for the Bills working for the BIlls mean you stand there and say it wasn't your decision, you don't know what is going on at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: You must work for the Bills You're making a fool of yourself. Just stop, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You're making a fool of yourself. Just stop, man. The fact that you would not give up more than a 3rd round draft choice to have Derek Carr on your team and sit Josh Allen for at least a year or 2 is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, and I'm not even kidding. You're probably one of those people that would give up a first-rounder for a receiver before doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBaumer said: You're probably one of those people that would give up a first-rounder for a receiver before doing that. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up ANY picks at this point. In fact, I'd be selling whatever I could for MORE picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up ANY picks at this point. In fact, I'd be selling whatever I could for MORE picks. Picks don't win football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 EJ, take the wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: EJ, take the wheel? Good grief , the guy was in pain , he's not a machine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 6:46 PM, joesixpack said: And that's why you're not a GM. 3 would be the absolute ceiling. You're right. Players like Zay Jones are way too productive, those second round picks are way too valuable.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: EJ, take the wheel? Yikes. Something about that family, they're just not mentally tough enough for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Yikes. Something about that family, they're just not mentally tough enough for the position. Crynig is not a sign of a lack of mental toughness. Sheesh. Edited October 23, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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