4_kidd_4 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I’d prefer a coach that doesn’t care about playing nice or making friends, as opposed to faith based clap clap clap Opie on ‘roids. Just statin’. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfball323 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Why would you want to take out Bortles? Usually he is the only reason the opponent is still in the game, if your getting beaten by a Blake Bortles offence, you should be more worried and angry at your defence.... very true, Re: Bortles. But at that point in time I would have sent somebody flying over the line just the same. I might just be deranged, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't share the anger at Marrone; however, I don't care much for him on a personal level. One can be a good coach and still be an !@#hole. They are not mutually exclusive... Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's the offenses job to score points. It's the defenses job to stop them. I hate when teams go into cruise control. If you don't want to be embarrassed do something about it. Good for Marrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 When he does it for every TD up by 30+ pts on Sunday Night football like Bellichick did it vs us in that destruction in the Jauron era , then its a true Ahole move. This just minor dbag stuff compared to the Hoodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsRdue said: So what. Maybe he wanted to work on the 2pt conversions. Maybe he was running up the score. That's fine. There are tie-breakers based on point difference that can come back to haunt a team. You never know how a season will play out. Take what you can get every week. It's the opponents job to stop you. every time I hear of this being done. I can't help but think of the time Marinos Dolphins went for a meaningless two point conversion back in the day when the conversion just was implemented. Of course they ran it and the Dolphins RB had his knee bent backwards and I believe had a complete dislocation with ligament damage. Out for year and he was never the same again. Sad as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I want to have reasons to hate on Marrone, but this really isn't one of them. You're up, you are going to win the game, might as well get in some 2 point conversion work in a live situation. Ehh, I don't hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Still bitter about not getting that Jets job? the chart says go for 2 if there is 4+ min to go, Petty McPettison Apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, iinii said: Apparently lol I thought his catch phrase was "obviously". Rex was "absolutely". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: I want to have reasons to hate on Marrone, but this really isn't one of them. You're up, you are going to win the game, might as well get in some 2 point conversion work in a live situation. Ehh, I don't hate it. Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score..... I don't know about all the optics of it, people want to say it was piling on, maybe it was, Marrone is kind of a DB. But in this instance, knowing that down the road he may need to get a 2pt conversion to win a game, I say get some reps in live action while you can. But I"m looking at it from that standpoint only. Not the emotional lenses most people are probably correctly looking through. Maybe it's a big eff you to the owner of the Jets, in which case it's still pretty iffy. You are winning the game. what does 2 extra points do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score..... all the so called experts surmise, and have stats to back it up, that going for two in the long run scores more points. problem is situationally if you do that you can lose a game you should not lose because of going for two when one is the right call, situationally. IE: making a two point conversion in a blowout is meaningless. Missing a two pt conversion in a close game can by far far wrong, situationally of course. Ask Browns why they went for two when 1 pt would have given them a 3 pt lead vs Oak. That mistake forced them to go for 2 again and lucky they made it. Piitsburgh tried going for a lot of 2's doing that last year and quickly decided it was pretty stupid in NFL. They used their own numbers showing they make them at a higher league avg and were set to do it all the time as they thought Big Ben and Pitt's wr's/te's gave them even better odds. What they failed to take into account is if you have a large sample size and they do it more and more. They likely fail back to the mean. Which was exactly as it appeared to be trending before they stopped it. So I give them credit for being bold and then more credit to stop being stupid when it showed it was flawed thinking. Edited October 1, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Sweep the leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score..... you fail to take into account you get double points when scoring 2 pt conversion so you statistically could be worse converting 2pt vs kicking and still score more points. https://www.boydsbets.com/nfl-two-point-conversion-success-rate/ Edited October 1, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Gotta get those 2 point practice reps in while you can. This is a big non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: ...so he needs to be "coached up" I take it.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) I like the attitude Should have hired the man when you had the chance, NJ! Edited October 1, 2018 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 We couldn’t even score 2 points yesterday so your point is don’t score as much as you can mmmkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I love it when teams have some attitude. As much as I hate NE I respect them for going for 19-0. Most teams would "do what the book says" and fold it up like the Colts did when they had a very real shot at going 16-0. Wimpy and scared is how most coaches play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Marrone was smart to get out of Buffalo. Great move.He knew he would have a Nathan Peterman in his future if he stayed. 4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: We couldn’t even score 2 points yesterday so your point is don’t score as much as you can mmmkay. 90 minutes of football and counting..--whats the record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Marrone wanted to bring in his buddy Polian and get rid of Whaley and Brandon. When it didn't work he pretty much had to take the $$ and run. I might have done the same thing if I didn't grow up a Bills fan. I mean, I know Marrone was a hometown guy and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: ...and he’s an offensive guy. Some might say 'sullen', others say offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out. I agree. I always like Marrone and think he is a good coach even though that is not the popular opinion. However, he was blown out in like 4 games his two years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 If I understand the new-ish rule correctly, the Jets could have intercepted or returned that 2 point try the other way and suddenly it's a 1 score game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 "because I couldn't go for 3" haha! I like it. Play to win, no chances. Take your sportsmanship argument back to your kindergarten safe space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out. Why can't we be mad at everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: I don't know about all the optics of it, people want to say it was piling on, maybe it was, Marrone is kind of a DB. But in this instance, knowing that down the road he may need to get a 2pt conversion to win a game, I say get some reps in live action while you can. But I"m looking at it from that standpoint only. Not the emotional lenses most people are probably correctly looking through. Maybe it's a big eff you to the owner of the Jets, in which case it's still pretty iffy. You are winning the game. what does 2 extra points do? My thoughts as well. What difference does 1 point make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmz56 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Pete Carroll did a fake punt up about 36-6 vs. Bills when we played Seattle in Toronto and the crowd cheered ! The Bills said Bye Bye Toronto ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 13 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't share the anger at Marrone; however, I don't care much for him on a personal level. One can be a good coach and still be an !@#hole. They are not mutually exclusive... 100% Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said: If I understand the new-ish rule correctly, the Jets could have intercepted or returned that 2 point try the other way and suddenly it's a 1 score game No. It was 31-12 before the 2 pt try. If NY int's and returns it or returns a fumble they only get 2 pts. 31-14 and if they would be allowed to score a TD on a PAT return and then went for 2 it would be 31-22. Edited October 2, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, cba fan said: No. It was 31-12 before the 2 pt try. thanks read it too quickly and was thinking 21-12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I pretty much understand baseball "don't show up the opponent" protocol when you're winning big. You don't steal bases, you don't bunt for a hit, etc. The football unwritten rules are kind of a mystery though. Why is it considered o.k. to send in the kicker to kick the extra point when you're up by 21 with one minute to play? After all, you could just send out the offense again and take a knee on an ostensible try for a 2 point conversion. That's what teams do when they score a game winning touchdown as time runs out on the game clock. Why isn't kicking the extra point considered piling on, whereas going for 2 is? Nobody bats an eye when a team leading by 23 points kicks a field goal on 4th and 1 with less than a minute of game time left. Why not just take a knee on 4th down and turn it over on downs? In other words, I have no problem with what Marrone did. It's not like KC having Dontari Poe throw a TD pass when you're winning by 3 touchdowns late ... that's one where it's easy to spot the line (trick plays done for the highlight reel only) and the fact that Andy Reid crossed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 18 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out. Marrone is a baffoon. Our offense was putrid and our offensive line (both are his "expertise") was crap, even though with the same personell they had been good previously and again after he left. Marrone has nothing to do with our defense being good, and he has nothing to do with the Jags defense being good. I was all too happy he opted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 23 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out. I agree. But I understand people not liking him because despite being a good coach he is an arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: Marrone is a baffoon. Our offense was putrid and our offensive line (both are his "expertise") was crap, even though with the same personell they had been good previously and again after he left. Marrone has nothing to do with our defense being good, and he has nothing to do with the Jags defense being good. I was all too happy he opted out. Our offense with Orton was twice as good as what it is now. That was the best passing game we have had since Bledsoe. We just had no RB. If you gave Orton Shady and didn’t start EJ the first 4 weeks, that’s the team that ends the drought. Edited October 2, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Mike and Trey called it a petty move this AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Our offense with Orton was twice as good as what it is now. That was the best passing game we have had since Bledsoe. We just had no RB. If you gave Orton Shady and didn’t start EJ the first 4 weeks, that’s the team that ends the drought. For like 2 or 3 games, yes, but then Orton started sucking horribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, MJS said: For like 2 or 3 games, yes, but then Orton started sucking horribly. That’s just not true. It’s over there is no sense going back through something that is trivial at this point. He was the best QB we had durring the drought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: That’s just not true. It’s over there is no sense going back through something that is trivial at this point. He was the best QB we had durring the drought Go look at his game logs after the bye week. Steep drop off. He started playing scared, and I attribute that DIRECTLY to Doug Marrone wanting him to play conservatively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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