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Positives

 

Stands tall in the pocket and is not phased by the rush

 

Goes through his progressions

 

Can make any throw 

 

Mobility and toughness

 

Isn’t Nate Peterman

 

Negatives

 

Doesn’t recognize pre-snap looks (shifts, blitzes, protection adjustments)

 

Footwork regressed today

 

Drifts sideways under pressure instead of stepping up into a muddy pocket

 

Doesnt trust his eyes - waits too long to make throws to open receivers 

 

Mental clock is still too slow

 

Accuracy remains an issue 

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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Positives

 

Stands tall in the pocket and is not phased by the rush

 

Goes through his progressions

 

Can make any throw 

 

Mobility and toughness

 

Isn’t Nate Peterman

 

Negatives

 

Doesn’t recognize pre-snap looks (shifts, blitzes, protection adjustments)

 

Footwork regressed today

 

Drifts sideways under pressure instead of stepping up into a muddy pocket

 

Doesnt trust his eyes - waits too long to make throws to open receivers 

 

Mental clock is still too slow

 

Accuracy remains an issue 

 

Yea I thought he was a little "flat footed" on some throws. Just trying to muscle it with his arm. 

 

Saying that, I was happy he got the TD in the end. He mad some nice throws as well. He just needs to learn and recognize certain packages.

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I dont even have a gripe with his ball placement (could be better, but to me it was good enough). My issue with him was seeming hesitant to throw.

I liked what I saw considering his lack of weapons, terrible line and not much of a running game though. Hoping to see him improve and learn this year.

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One thing he needs to learn, right away, is to slide feet first at the end of a big run.


He's a good runner but he should not be receiving big contact at the end of runs.

 

The coaching staff needs to work on that and improve it immediately.

 

 

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Without considering how much we have invested in him etc. and just looking at his performance today:

 

I think that we at least have reason to be hopeful about Josh's potential.  The stat line was not great, but I think we saw enough to remain cautiously optimistic.  He played pretty well under very difficult circumstances. The Bills braintrust has not done him any favors (re line or receiving weapons).  He showed toughness and will need to be.

 

I have no idea whether Josh will be a "franchise" QB, but we do have reason to at least be hopeful about his potential.

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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Likewise. He had plenty of time on those inaccurate passes as well.

perhaps he needs some reps with the changing WRs and TEs ?

 He also had someone not looking for the ball going deep. and that happened at least twice.

work in progress

 Ilike the kid even more after today

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Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Do you ever tolerate an opinion different from yours?  Like, has that ever once happened?

 

Yes, when they're reasonable.

 

Problem is, virtually no one here is reasonable the past few weeks.

 

Guys like TYTT I disagree with daily, but I respect his opinions since they're at least well thought out.

 

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7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

The flaws he has always shown are still prevalent.  

 

Most disconcerting is his accuracy, which remains a problem.

 

The narrative in pre-season was that he was improving in that area with better footwork.


That almost never works.

 

 

You're and your opinions as usual are clueless. Take a breather maybe you're burning out spending your life on here. 

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Honestly, I think he was exactly what the tape says he is.  He's got a huge arm, pretty good athleticism, and is pretty tough.  He also needs to work on accuracy and is going to need a bunch of time to adjust to the NFL.  He has very little feel for pre-snap reads and using those to throw timing routes.  That will likely come with experience (lots).

 

Given how bad the team is as a whole, and the complete failure of Peterman, I think this time in the game is invaluable to Allen.  I don't expect much, but it will all help in year 2+ as the team is built around him.

 

One more thing, he HAS to stop pulling the ball down, turning and running sideways to the LOS.  This is where the NFL defensive speed is KILLING him.  I know the Oline sucks and is putting him in bad positions, but he has to keep his eyes down field, body in position to throw, and move sideways.  As soon as he pulls that ball down and starts to turn, the defense has already closed.

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I think the kid is going to be a real gamer.  Lots to work on, but the kid has almost nothing to work with either at WR or on the OL.  So nothing is going to be easy, but I like the kids potential even though I do expect there to be plenty of ups and downs this year.  I just hope the kid doesn't get killed by the Vikes D

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3 minutes ago, Peter said:

Without considering how much we have invested in him etc. and just looking at his performance today:

 

I think that we at least have reason to be hopeful about Josh's potential.  The stat line was not great, but I think we saw enough to remain cautiously optimistic.  He played pretty well under very difficult circumstances. The Bills braintrust has not done him any favors (re line or receiving weapons).  He showed toughness and will need to be.

 

I have no idea whether Josh will be a "franchise" QB, but we do have reason to at least be hopeful about his potential.

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He was a project.  And he wasn't given enough time to bake in the oven.  I liked what I saw.  Still areas that need work, but that's why he's got another 14+ games to develop.  He was never meant to light up the league this year.  This year is to set him up to do so next season.

 

I don't get the negativity.  Rook has a horrid line, terrible receivers, and still looks promising in his first start.  I honestly think his biggest critics here are bashing him because they're upset we didn't get Mahomes or Darnold instead.

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Just now, The Red King said:

He was a project.  And he wasn't given enough time to bake in the oven.  I liked what I saw.  Still areas that need work, but that's why he's got another 14+ games to develop.  He was never meant to light up the league this year.  This year is to set him up to do so next season.

 

I don't get the negativity.  Rook has a horrid line, terrible receivers, and still looks promising in his first start.  I honestly think his biggest critics here are bashing him because they're upset we didn't get Mahomes or Darnold instead.

 

I don’t see much negativity...

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