YoloinOhio Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Quote The Bills did on Wednesday what they would’ve done on Aug. 27 if Allen hadn’t crumbled behind an onslaught of Bengals pass rushers in the team’s third preseason game. It’s also what was coming, one way or another, before too long. Which means, because of Allen’s draft position, there’s no turning back now. And so, with Allen entrenched, let’s look at this from a couple different angles … Edited September 13, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Let us hope that crumbling behind an onslaught of opposing rushers is not a season long thing....or fatal to anyone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Don’t you dare post a notion of logical thought on here! Rabble!!!!!!!! Rabble, Rabble, doom, hellfire, Rabble, fire McD and trade a first for Tyrod!!!!! 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 He nailed it perfectly. Beane worked the salary cap and did some wheeling-and-dealing with draft picks to set us up with a potential franchise QB and still pick up some quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. #TheProcess 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I love the nickname “Blutarsky” for Peterman!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 All of those angles were covered here at TBD for weeks. Breer must be a lurker... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: All of those angles were covered here at TBD for weeks. Breer must be a lurker... He even used zero point zero from here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I love the nickname “Blutarsky” for Peterman!! When Nate's football career officially ends, he can look forward to a bright future in the Senate. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically. It's not a bad article, but its certainly one of those pieces that they are trying to sell to demoralized fan base. The obvious issues are skirted over (like failure to address the O line in the draft or FA in a meaningful way - na 5th round pick and a couple of below average OL FAs doesn't really scream investment in protecting your investment at QB). Even if you buy into the Tyrod point of view in the article, the fact remains that they could have signed Bridgewater at the level of 6 mil/yr or kept McCarron as a substantial investment in having the luxury to sit Allen if he wasn't ready in their eyes. Then the cap issues are kind of glossed over on how a team cap strapped created even more dead cap with a couple of their moves this offseason. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He even used zero point zero from here!! proof!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Why would you expect nothing less then Greatness. Bills fans are punch drunk on bad quarterbacks and let downs it makes me sick. Josh Allen is about about to light up new Era Field and show he is the best rookie quarterback this year and a future NFL star. Doubters will eat a large stinky crap sandwich. GO BILLS!!!! 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ayjent said: Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically. I stopped reading when I got to that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It's amazing how focused ALL of the national media is on us currently. (for the wrong reasons, unfortunately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ayjent said: Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically. It's not a bad article, but its certainly one of those pieces that they are trying to sell to demoralized fan base. The obvious issues are skirted over (like failure to address the O line in the draft or FA in a meaningful way - na 5th round pick and a couple of below average OL FAs doesn't really scream investment in protecting your investment at QB). Even if you buy into the Tyrod point of view in the article, the fact remains that they could have signed Bridgewater at the level of 6 mil/yr or kept McCarron as a substantial investment in having the luxury to sit Allen if he wasn't ready in their eyes. Then the cap issues are kind of glossed over on how a team cap strapped created even more dead cap with a couple of their moves this offseason. Im of the opinion that they expected, or at least were quite comfortable, with Allen playing significant time this season. Otherwise you would never have traded McCarron and left Allen as the only back up. Aside from incompetence injury would have forced Allen on the field, they must have thought of that. TBD is positive that the staff wanted him to sit the entire season but I think they were OK with what they saw from Allen in preseason. Im excited for this Sunday. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Allen gives the Bills their best shot to win now............ Really ?? we're going to win now ?? Did Albert bother to look at our schedule before writing this piece ? ________________ So they didn't start Allen in Game 1 because he got annihilated against the Bengals, but now he's going to start every game this year and not get hurt ? And just for the heck of it...........suppose he does have to sit a few snaps............ who are they going to bring in to replace him ? Edited September 13, 2018 by B Fan in LA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say publicly. Edited September 13, 2018 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 All the "EXPERTS", nay sayers and doubters of #17 make sure you save room this Sunday, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I love this from the article: “Peterman pulled the rare Blutarsky (passer rating: zero-point-zero) in Baltimore. The performance served as an encore to his five-interception effort against the Chargers in his first career start last fall.” was it ever an an encore performance to a historically bad debut. And I agree, Peterman needs to be known as Blutarsky going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say pubically. I get what you're saying and had the same suspicion. On the other hand, I disagree with the critics who call Beane and McD "clueless" and the like. It's easy to see there's a rational plan behind all their moves. An effective plan? We'll see. I don't agree with every move Beane's made either. But there's real logic and football acumen at work. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, PeterDude said: I stopped reading when I got to that part. Lie^^ 13 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say pubically. ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say pubically. I think there were quotes from McDermott in the article, so it seems he may have spoken to him not so secretly. Unless those quotes came from some previous article or press conference that I missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: All of those angles were covered here at TBD for weeks. Breer must be a lurker... Yeah, but how did he sort through the 90% insanity to get to the 10% of sane stuff he pointed out in the article? I've heard this echoed a lot this preseason on Sirius / NLFN Quote “Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?” Let's Go Bills! Let's Go Josh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Idandria said: I love this from the article: “Peterman pulled the rare Blutarsky (passer rating: zero-point-zero) in Baltimore. The performance served as an encore to his five-interception effort against the Chargers in his first career start last fall.” was it ever an an encore performance to a historically bad debut. And I agree, Peterman needs to be known as Blutarsky going forward. He just needs to be un-known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He just needs to be un-known Peterman isn't even the first Buffalo Bill to reach this accomplishment...Jack Kemp also posted a 0.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say pubically. I don't think the lead writer for mmqb takes direction on what he writes from any coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: Let us hope that crumbling behind an onslaught of opposing rushers is not a season long thing....or fatal to anyone. For every sack an olineman gives up, you run 20 laps..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Heitz said: Yeah, but how did he sort through the 90% insanity to get to the 10% of sane stuff he pointed out in the article? I've heard this echoed a lot this preseason on Sirius / NLFN Let's Go Bills! Let's Go Josh!! True, but most it was common sense (although I take a risk with that conclusion): Peterman failed (or failed to out himself again as not an NFL starter) because he was prevented from facing any defensive pressure in the preseason. Allen is a top 10 draft pick and that is a significant reason why he will start (because 1st round QB picks typically start in their rookie year in the NFL). The O-line lost some good players. (can we at some point acknowledge that Glenn only played 6 games and the O-line didn't get worse the rest of the season?) Tyrod had limitations and they could get a pick for him. They parlayed picks into drafts of the guys they wanted. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Somebody's gotta tell him that Phillips wasn't drafted with our natural 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 But I was told on TBD that we needed to fire McDermott and Beane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, jletha said: Im of the opinion that they expected, or at least were quite comfortable, with Allen playing significant time this season. Otherwise you would never have traded McCarron and left Allen as the only back up. Aside from incompetence injury would have forced Allen on the field, they must have thought of that. TBD is positive that the staff wanted him to sit the entire season but I think they were OK with what they saw from Allen in preseason. Im excited for this Sunday. Bingo. I think the only mistake made by Beane was trading AJ. AJ would have been a good Veteran QB to have on this team to mentor Josh. However on the flip side, Sean would have replaced Nate with AJ today for the 2nd game...So Josh wasn't going to get any playing time. The Bills really need a 10+ year backup QB who will play a mentor role without giving the HC a chance to replace with the Veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Until the Bills win a game handily they will be thought of as a bad team. And even they some would call it a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 “Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?” Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen? No, that would never be true, would it? LOL! Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development. The NFL is littered with their carcasses. This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB: (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from. It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: “Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?” Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen? No, that would never be true, would it? LOL! Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development. The NFL is littered with their carcasses. This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB: (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from. It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... And some aren't. HOFers like Aikman and P Manning. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Ayjent said: Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically. It's not a bad article, but its certainly one of those pieces that they are trying to sell to demoralized fan base. The obvious issues are skirted over (like failure to address the O line in the draft or FA in a meaningful way - na 5th round pick and a couple of below average OL FAs doesn't really scream investment in protecting your investment at QB). Even if you buy into the Tyrod point of view in the article, the fact remains that they could have signed Bridgewater at the level of 6 mil/yr or kept McCarron as a substantial investment in having the luxury to sit Allen if he wasn't ready in their eyes. Then the cap issues are kind of glossed over on how a team cap strapped created even more dead cap with a couple of their moves this offseason. Of course! Terry P probably slipped Breer $100G under the table and asked him to write an article to instill faith for the fans. If SI wanted to sell an article and and get the most hits, they'd write an article ripping the Bills for all the moves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducej11 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: He nailed it perfectly. Beane worked the salary cap and did some wheeling-and-dealing with draft picks to set us up with a potential franchise QB and still pick up some quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. #TheProcess This is finally an article that got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: And some aren't. HOFers like Aikman and P Manning. 0.00001% of NFL QBs? Buy me a lottery ticket, won't you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, Lurker said: “Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?” Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen? No, that would never be true, would it? LOL! Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development. The NFL is littered with their carcasses. This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB: (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from. It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... Exactly what I said in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: And some aren't. HOFers like Aikman and P Manning. I would like to hear honest answers from the folks here on how they would react if Allen started out the way Aikman did. Year GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Long QB Rating 1989 11 293 155 52.9 1,749 9 18 75 55.7 1990 15 399 226 56.6 2,579 11 18 61 66.6 1991 12 363 237 65.3 2,754 11 10 61 86.7 It took Aikman three years to get to where EJ Manuel started as a rookie. Obviously we're in a different era where passing is easier, but people here will probably be screaming to draft another QB by half-way through the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I don't think the lead writer for mmqb takes direction on what he writes from any coaches. Never said he did. I was just saying that it sounds like he had a conversation with McDermott or Beane, where they explained their thinking on this season and some of the decisions they’ve made. Edited September 13, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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