wppete Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Punt75 said: How about a #1 next year, McCoy and AJ? Gruden looks surprised every time EJ makes a play. that could work. What about this one? #1 Pick next year Jerry Hughes AJ McCaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, the skycap said: It would be some sort of combo, but not all of that. All-Pro/HOF linemen/players have been drafted after the 1st rd. I know you can say the same for LB/DE, but if you can get a Lawrence Taylor like player you get him. 2-1sts in subsequent years, YES. You already have your "franchise" QB on your roster. Just think of Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith. We don't know that yet. Until you know for sure, you don't make moves like this. Period. But, if you want Mack that badly, I hope Beane pulls the trigger. In fact, I hope he gives up FIVE YEARS of 1st round picks and Mack has 70 sacks this season, while the offense once again sinks to the bottom of the league and struggles to put up more than 3 or 10 points per game. Have fun!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Quite frankly no, no it would not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 If Mark Davis has any sense of history, like his dad did, he would just give the Bills Mack.. https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/3/25/5547182/oakland-raiders-wouldnt-exist-without-ralph-wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 It might work. I wouldn’t want to do it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, wppete said: that could work. What about this one? #1 Pick next year Jerry Hughes AJ McCaron My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I think the Browns & Jets will both make better offers than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Geez you guys Relax. If you are really worried about Beane giving up two first's then you haven't paid any attention to his philosophies at all since the day he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The way Beane trades, the Raiders will send us Mack and their first rounder for Corey Coleman and a sixth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: Geez you guys Relax. If you are really worried about Beane giving up two first's then you haven't paid any attention to his philosophies at all since the day he arrived. I have been paying attention. Unfortunately, there are a growing number of posters who think: "I don't care if Beane has to give up multiple firsts. I want Khalil Mack on this team. No 1st round pass rusher in next year's class will EVER be as good as Mack is RIGHT NOW." I would laugh if Beane did give up two 1sts, additional picks and roster players (Hughes) and signs Mack to a massive, $25 million per year deal, only to see him not exert any effort on the field, like Mario and Dareus did when they got paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 after this ridiculous offseason of giving huge guaranteed money to the NFL stars (which is going to bury some teams down the road, mark my words--$85M guaranteed to Aaron Donald are you kidding me?), and considering Mack was an NFL defensive player of the year (Whaley you idiot, did you really have to take Sammy instead?) this dude is going to get a massive deal from somebody and it's more of a money thing with the Raiders than Gruden's ego getting in the way. There are really only a handful of teams in the league that have the room to pay a 27 year old edge guy $100M and the Raiders aren't one of them. I think he has to get traded for this reason, and the Raiders have to be looking at Cleveland, Bills, Jets simply because they'll likely be higher draft picks next year vs a Green Bay type team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I wonder about if we offer a 2019 2nd and a 2020 first . Theoretically we should be better in 2020 and keeping our first in 2019 prevents us from dealing a top 5 pick . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo. Told by who? The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo. 6 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Told by who? The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head? If Kirby Jackson says it is so, then that is good enough for YE OLE... FACT! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo. Interesting. “2 high picks” could be most anything. I’m convinced that Beane wants to hold on to 2019 rd 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCanMan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Bills Get -Khalil Mack Raiders Get -Bills 2019 2nd -Bills 2020 4th -30 points back from the 1990 AFC title game beatdown to make the final score a more respectable 21-3 Who says no? 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Raiders are being unreasonable then IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, mannc said: Interesting. “2 high picks” could be most anything. I’m convinced that Beane wants to hold on to 2019 rd 1. I agree. The only thing that I can say is it is from a VERY reliable source. My guess is a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st. 21 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Told by who? The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head? I never give that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I agree. The only thing that I can say is it is from a VERY reliable source. My guess is a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st. Not two 2ds? Beane needs to hang tough. Raiders will get desperate. Edited September 1, 2018 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, mannc said: Not two 2ds? That’s my guess. I don’t know the specifics. It’s 2 high picks and Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s my guess. I don’t know the specifics. It’s 2 high picks and Hughes. I wonder what other "teams with whom Khalil would sign an extension" are included on the list Mack's agent gave to the Raiders? The only way the Raiders get a premium is after the terms of an extension are worked out with the new team. If that list is pretty narrow and it's basically the Bills as first choice and everyone else down the list...the Raiders and Bills may meet in the middle with a little pot sweetening by Beane. This is the only place where Mack and his agent have leverage. He can, within reason, narrow where he goes. The Bills have some cap room to maneuver. About $11.6 Million in space and they pick up another $3.4 by moving Hughes. An immediate extension is doable and still leave some room for rollover or injury signing. I would do 2019 - 1; 2020-1, Hughes For Mack; Raiders 2019-2 and in an ideal world Raiders 2020-3 or 4 In Mack, we are talking about a durable difference maker who can disrupt an offensive game plan. You are adding Mack to some really, really good pieces the Bills already have and the Bills key D pieces are locked up for a while (Other than Kyle who is year to year anyway). Immediately, Mack helps cover up the weakness at right corner and SLB with an appreciably better pass rush. He allows the corners to play more in the face like McD wants. No one would have batted an eye if we would have given up both first rounders this year for a potential franchise QB. It's very true that the Bills don't know if they have one in Josh Allen, but Beane is likely willing to bet that the Bills do, based on what he has seen. To not pursue Mack because you doubt that Allen is a franchise QB is just downright stupid for Beane. It's akin to him admitting that 4 months ago he made a big bet on the future of the franchise and you already feel you made a mistake. Beane also maneuvered to keep enough assets to draft a dynamic athlete LB in round 1 -- who could be an amazing player but is yet unproven. I believe Beane has been really smart with the assets he's been given thus far. If Beane makes a move for Mack..It will be controversial -- but it would also show confidence in what he has built to date. We all expect next year to be a contention year. Mack would be in my mind the first 2019 personnel move and propel the Bills forward. Edited September 1, 2018 by JoeF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Told by who? The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head? You must not realize who Kirby is. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000957552/article/chances-of-khalil-mack-being-traded-very-real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Beane doesn't have the balls to get Mack. Forget about it Bills fans. Edited September 1, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Beane doesn't have the balls to get Mack. Forget about it Bills fans. All GMs and coaches have a 3-4 year window to produce ... don't think for a second that they aren't willing to part with future assets .. especially 2020 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Playoffs? Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Jets or Packers. And I hope it’s the Packers. And man... the Browns D could be filthy if they landed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said: All GMs and coaches have a 3-4 year window to produce ... don't think for a second that they aren't willing to part with future assets .. especially 2020 picks. Only way this happens is if the Pegulas make it happen. I don't think Beane was agressive enough to get a QB. That's a QB. He will not be agressive trying to aquire a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 I have a feeling the Bills are one of the teams that backed out on the draft capital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Good god that’s expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I would give up a first next year and 2nd the following year, plus Shaq and not think twice about it. I know picks are valuable, but there’s no one in next years draft that is going to give you the value you get from Mack. He’s arguable the best defensive player in the league and young. He would change our defense. We also easily have the money to pay him. His jersey sales would be through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I would give up a first next year and 2nd the following year, plus Shaq and not think twice about it. I know picks are valuable, but there’s no one in next years draft that is going to give you the value you get from Mack. He’s arguable the best defensive player in the league and young. He would change our defense. We also easily have the money to pay him. His jersey sales would be through the roof. That would be my best offer as well - possibly throw in a 5th or 6th somewhere too. You’re right that the jersey and merch sales would partially offset the contract price. Edited September 1, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Wonder if Mack and his agent are trying to get him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Good trade for Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Glad it happened AFTER we played them. Mack would have killed McCarron. Killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, scribo said: Glad it happened AFTER we played them. Mack would have killed McCarron. Killed him. 1. He wouldn't have played in 4th preseason game. 2. I'm pretty sure we still have to play them 3. I'm going to Chicago and taking a dump on their stadium and on halas' grave Edited September 1, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: 1. He wouldn't have played in 4th preseason game. 2. I'm pretty sure we still have to play them 1. I think he'd get some snaps if they pulled off this trade a week ago. 2. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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