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Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade


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3 minutes ago, the skycap said:

It would be some sort of combo, but not all of that. All-Pro/HOF linemen/players have been drafted after the 1st rd. I know you can say the same for LB/DE, but if you can get a Lawrence Taylor like player you get him. 2-1sts in subsequent years, YES. You already have your "franchise" QB on your roster. Just think of Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith.

We don't know that yet.  Until you know for sure, you don't make moves like this.  Period.

But, if you want Mack that badly, I hope Beane pulls the trigger.  In fact, I hope he gives up FIVE YEARS of 1st round picks and Mack has 70 sacks this season, while the offense once again sinks to the bottom of the league and struggles to put up more than 3 or 10 points per game.

Have fun!!!!

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6 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Geez you guys Relax.  If you are really worried about Beane giving up two first's then you haven't paid any attention to his philosophies at all since the day he arrived.

I have been paying attention.  Unfortunately, there are a growing number of posters who think: "I don't care if Beane has to give up multiple firsts.  I want Khalil Mack on this team.  No 1st round pass rusher in next year's class will EVER be as good as Mack is RIGHT NOW."

I would laugh if Beane did give up two 1sts, additional picks and roster players (Hughes) and signs Mack to a massive, $25 million per year deal, only to see him not exert any effort on the field, like Mario and Dareus did when they got paid.

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after this ridiculous offseason of giving huge guaranteed money to the NFL stars (which is going to bury some teams down the road, mark my words--$85M guaranteed to Aaron Donald are you kidding me?),

and considering Mack was an NFL defensive player of the year (Whaley you idiot, did you really have to take Sammy instead?) this dude is going to get a massive deal from somebody and it's more of a money thing with the Raiders than Gruden's ego getting in the way. 

 

There are really only a handful of teams in the league that have the room to pay a 27 year old edge guy $100M and the Raiders aren't one of them.  I think he has to get traded for this reason, and the Raiders have to be looking at Cleveland,  Bills, Jets simply because they'll likely be higher draft picks next year vs a Green Bay type team.  

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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo.

Told by who?  The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head?

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10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo.

 

6 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Told by who?  The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head?

 

If Kirby Jackson says it is so, then that is good enough for YE OLE... FACT!

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12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve been told that the Bills offered “2 high picks and Hughes” for Mack. They didn’t know the specifics of the picks but the Raiders turned it down. Mack is very, very interested in Buffalo.

Interesting.  “2 high picks” could be most anything. I’m convinced that Beane wants to hold on to 2019 rd 1.

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9 minutes ago, mannc said:

Interesting.  “2 high picks” could be most anything. I’m convinced that Beane wants to hold on to 2019 rd 1.

I agree. The only thing that I can say is it is from a VERY reliable source. My guess is a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st.

21 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Told by who?  The mouse in your pocket? The voices inside your head?

I never give that up.

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree. The only thing that I can say is it is from a VERY reliable source. My guess is a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st.

Not two 2ds?  Beane needs to hang tough.  Raiders will get desperate.

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41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s my guess. I don’t know the specifics. It’s 2 high picks and Hughes. 

 

I wonder what other "teams with whom Khalil would sign an extension" are included on the list Mack's agent gave to the Raiders?  The only way the Raiders get a premium is after the terms of an extension are worked out with the new team.  If that list is pretty narrow and it's basically the Bills as first choice and everyone else down the list...the Raiders and Bills may meet in the middle with a little pot sweetening by Beane.   This is the only place where Mack and his agent have leverage.  He can, within reason, narrow where he goes.

 

The Bills have some cap room to maneuver.  About $11.6 Million in space and they pick up another $3.4 by moving Hughes.  An immediate extension is doable and still leave some room for rollover or injury signing.

 

I would do 2019 - 1; 2020-1, Hughes

For Mack; Raiders 2019-2 and in an ideal world Raiders 2020-3 or 4

 

In Mack, we are talking about a durable difference maker who can disrupt an offensive game plan.  You are adding Mack to some really, really good pieces the Bills already have and the Bills key D pieces are locked up for a while (Other than Kyle who is year to year anyway).  Immediately, Mack helps cover up the weakness at right corner and SLB with an appreciably better pass rush.  He allows the corners to play more in the face like McD wants.

 

No one would have batted an eye if we would have given up both first rounders this year for a potential franchise QB.  It's very true that the Bills don't know if they have one in Josh Allen, but Beane is likely willing to bet that the Bills do, based on what he has seen.  To not pursue Mack because you doubt that Allen is a franchise QB is just downright stupid for Beane.  It's akin to him admitting that 4 months ago he made a big bet on the future of the franchise and you already feel you made a mistake.

 

Beane also maneuvered to keep enough assets to draft a dynamic athlete LB in round 1 -- who could be an amazing player but is yet unproven.  I believe Beane has been really smart with the assets he's been given thus far.

 

If Beane makes a move for Mack..It will be controversial -- but it would also show confidence in what he has built to date.  We all expect next year to be a contention year.  Mack would be in my mind the first 2019 personnel move and propel the Bills forward.

 

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3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Beane doesn't have the balls to get Mack. Forget about it Bills fans. 

 

All GMs and coaches have a 3-4 year window to produce ... don't think for a second that they aren't willing to part with future assets .. especially 2020 picks.

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26 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

 

All GMs and coaches have a 3-4 year window to produce ... don't think for a second that they aren't willing to part with future assets .. especially 2020 picks.

Only way this happens is if the Pegulas make it happen. I don't think Beane was agressive enough to get a QB. That's a QB. He will not be agressive trying to aquire a pass rusher. 

 

 

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I would give up a first next year and 2nd the following year, plus Shaq and not think twice about it.  

 

I know picks are valuable, but there’s no one in next years draft that is going to give you the value you get from Mack. He’s arguable the best defensive player in the league and young.  He would change our defense. 

 

We also easily have the money to pay him. 

 

His jersey sales would be through the roof. 

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3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I would give up a first next year and 2nd the following year, plus Shaq and not think twice about it.  

 

I know picks are valuable, but there’s no one in next years draft that is going to give you the value you get from Mack. He’s arguable the best defensive player in the league and young.  He would change our defense. 

 

We also easily have the money to pay him. 

 

His jersey sales would be through the roof. 

 

That would be my best offer as well - possibly throw in a 5th or 6th somewhere too.  You’re right that the jersey and merch sales would partially offset the contract price.

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4 minutes ago, scribo said:

Glad it happened AFTER we played them. Mack would have killed McCarron. Killed him.

1. He wouldn't have played in 4th preseason game. 

2. I'm pretty sure we still have to play them

3. I'm going to Chicago and taking a dump on their stadium and on halas' grave

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Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

1. He wouldn't have played in 4th preseason game. 

2. I'm pretty sure we still have to play them

1. I think he'd get some snaps if they pulled off this trade a week ago.

2. Damn.

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