Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade

[ndirish1978]

They have no reason to trade him. They get him on the 5th yr option and can tag him for 2 straight years. Means they don't have to cut an escrow check for a long-term contract all at once and they keep him til he's 30.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[PIZ]

Ed Oliver DT Houston next year or Khalil Mack this year?

 

 

[Paul Costa]

? Mack ?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I wonder if the raiders would take a 2019 first and a 2020 2nd. 

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I wonder if the raiders would take a 2019 first and a 2020 2nd. 

Jon Gruden is going to destroy that team

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

Ed Oliver DT Houston next year or Khalil Mack this year?

 

 

Why throw the dice when it's Khalil friggin Mack.

[StrikeParry]

2 hours ago, PIZ said:

Ed Oliver DT Houston next year or Khalil Mack this year?

 

 

 

 

Unknown versus a proven all-pro. IDK it's a tough choice.

[Adam727]

I  don't think I want the Bills to trade for Mack.  The contract we'll have to give him is massive and our 2019 1st round pick is probably going to be a very high one.  I think that's too many resources to put into the DE/LB position until our QB and O-line are solidified.  For Hughes/Lawson, a 2019 2nd, and 2020 2nd maybe but I'm sure the Raiders will want more.

 

Mack, Edmunds, & White would be a nice trio on Defense to build around though!

 

 

 

 

[StrikeParry]

1 minute ago, Adam727 said:

I  don't think I want the Bills to trade for Mack.  The contract we'll have to give him is massive and our 2019 1st round pick is probably going to be a very high one.  I think that's too many resources to put into the DE/LB position until our QB and O-line are solidified.  For Hughes/Lawson, a 2019 2nd, and 2020 2nd maybe but I'm sure the Raiders will want more.

 

Mack, Edmunds, & White would be a nice trio on Defense to build around though!

 

 

 

 

 

I get your concern but you have to also consider WHY that cost is that high. The guy is a proven monster; he's not local but he already has ties to the area. The cap BS is clear after this year, for the most part. Draft picks are lottery picks; Bosa and Oliver both look great but you never know staring at college highlight clips. Personally I'd rather trade a 1st away for Mack we are currently in a very small window to get him.

[bbb]

12 minutes ago, StrikeParry said:

 

 

Unknown versus a proven all-pro. IDK it's a tough choice.

 

It's not even that he's unknown, but it's totally unknown that we would get him in the draft.

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, StrikeParry said:

 

I get your concern but you have to also consider WHY that cost is that high. The guy is a proven monster; he's not local but he already has ties to the area. The cap BS is clear after this year, for the most part. Draft picks are lottery picks; Bosa and Oliver both look great but you never know staring at college highlight clips. Personally I'd rather trade a 1st away for Mack we are currently in a very small window to get him.

Why is Oakland willing to trade him?  I know Gruden’s an idiot, but they must know something....

[StrikeParry]

9 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

It's not even that he's unknown, but it's totally unknown that we would get him in the draft.

Good point.

You're stacking assumptions on top of assumptions thinking that the Bills are even going to be in the position to draft any of these guys.

 

And I get the counterargument from people watching these preseason games and wanting to hold on to picks to improve the O line but again any offensive lineman you draft is just another unknown. Take the stud if he's available. A 1st and a 2nd for Khalil Mack? Go right ahead.

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Why is Oakland willing to trade him?  I know Gruden’s an idiot, but they must know something....

 

I have heard it's a combination of things - Gruden is locked in the past, Davis is one of the more cash-poor owners (until he gets the team to Vegas), all sorts of stuff. I don't think it has anything to do with a hidden injury or suspension.

[Doc Brown]

43 minutes ago, mannc said:

Why is Oakland willing to trade him?  I know Gruden’s an idiot, but they must know something....

Since Gruden is locked in for 10 years there isn't an immense pressure to win now and he may not want to tie that much money into a defensive player.  The Raiders are pry looking to build through the draft.  Having an extra 1st and a 2nd round pick (probably what it will take) along with not having to pay a massive contract is appealing as they're already paying Carr a boatload and they'll pry pay Amari Cooper next year (Gruden is an offensive minded coach).  Next year's draft is loaded as far as pass rushers go.  If they do trade him, the only trade I can think that somewhat mirrored this is when the Jets traded Revis to the Bucs for a 1st and mid round pick in 2012 as Revis wanted to be the highest paid defender.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Why is Oakland willing to trade him?  I know Gruden’s an idiot, but they must know something....

 

They don't want to pay him, and as you said, Gruden is an idiot. I know he's offensive minded, but his most talented player on that roster is Mack. And he can't even be arsed to pick up the phone and call him? 

 

That's already fire worthy for me. You have to be able to manage people to do that job. As much as I have criticized McDermott and disagreed with him, and I'm astounded he does it so well. He manages relationships with the players very well. Winning does ease that, but after last August, I thought he would lose the team. Gruden, I'm not even sure what he has to gain by not reaching out to Mack. That relationship is already poisoned. 

 

Different positions, but I don't think the OBJ contract helps Oakland's negotiating position at all. You pay elite talent. I know football hates to do it, but you have to pay guys who are special.

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Since Gruden is locked in for 10 years there isn't an immense pressure to win now and he may not want to tie that much money into a defensive player.  The Raiders are pry looking to build through the draft.  Having an extra 1st and a 2nd round pick (probably what it will take) along with not having to pay a massive contract is appealing as they're already paying Carr a boatload and they'll pry pay Amari Cooper next year (Gruden is an offensive minded coach).  Next year's draft is loaded as far as pass rushers go.  If they do trade him, the only trade I can think that somewhat mirrored this is when the Jets traded Revis to the Bucs for a 1st and mid round pick in 2012 as Revis wanted to be the highest paid defender.

 

Not disagreeing with you at all, but we saw how that played out. That secondary has been ass ever since that trade. You don't give up talent like that. But I do agree with what you're saying about how Oakland is viewing it.

Edited August 28, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Doc Brown]

45 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

Not disagreeing with you at all, but we saw how that played out. That secondary has been ass ever since that trade. You don't give up talent like that. But I do agree with what you're saying about how Oakland is viewing it.

That's the risk you take as they drafted two 1st round DB's (Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor) in the following two drafts that both were busts.  However, they did get Sheldon Richardson with that specific pick.  You have to trust your front office if you're going to depart with a player of Mack's quality.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

That's the risk you take as they drafted two 1st round DB's (Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor) in the following two drafts that both were busts.  However, they did get Sheldon Richardson with that specific pick.  You have to trust your front office if you're going to depart with a player of Mack's quality.

Well, the Revis trade did not work out too well for the Bucs either.  I just don’t see this as a trade that Beane is going to make, unless the price is significantly less than has been reported.  The Bills still have too many holes.

[george c]

Mack is not going to happen under this regime. No chance Beane invests so much cap room in a single player at this point of the rebuild. If he does, we should all be outraged... 

A trade like this only happens under a regime who has no clue on how to build a team responsibly, like Whaley/Ryan.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[BillsMafia13]

3 hours ago, George C said:

Mack is not going to happen under this regime. No chance Beane invests so much cap room in a single player at this point of the rebuild. If he does, we should all be outraged... 

A trade like this only happens under a regime who has no clue on how to build a team responsibly, like Whaley/Ryan.

I mean i'd say the contract Star got is still pound for pound worse than making Mack the highest paid.  Who else has McBeane spent money on since they got here? (excluding murphy)

[Bangarang]

4 hours ago, George C said:

Mack is not going to happen under this regime. No chance Beane invests so much cap room in a single player at this point of the rebuild. If he does, we should all be outraged... 

A trade like this only happens under a regime who has no clue on how to build a team responsibly, like Whaley/Ryan.

 

Why should we be outraged at paying an elite game changing player about to enter his prime?

[Cornette's Commentary]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Why should we be outraged at paying an elite game changing player about to enter his prime?

Because, at the moment, we don't know if there is a franchise QB on the roster yet.

Until you have a franchise QB, you don't trade valuable rebuilding picks and give stupid money to a DE, regardless of your deep, burning desire to wear a red, white and blue jersey with the number 52 on the front and back of it.

[Figster]

21 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Because, at the moment, we don't know if there is a franchise QB on the roster yet.

Until you have a franchise QB, you don't trade valuable rebuilding picks and give stupid money to a DE, regardless of your deep, burning desire to wear a red, white and blue jersey with the number 52 on the front and back of it.

On the other hand playing with a lead  (good D) vs playing from behind helps give a more conservative approach to an OC's game plan in my humble opinion.

 

So I can see Mack being beneficial for both sides of the football including a young QB in development IMO.

 

Mack would help Allen shoulder the weight of the franchise...

Edited August 28, 2018 by Figster

[Cornette's Commentary]

25 minutes ago, Figster said:

On the other hand playing with a lead  (good D) vs playing from behind helps give a more conservative approach to an OC's game plan in my humble opinion.

 

So I can see Mack being beneficial for both sides of the football including a young QB in development IMO.

 

Mack would help Allen shoulder the weight of the franchise...

If Mack had been on the team on Sunday, would they have beaten the Bengals?  Would Mack's presence alone have inspired the starting offensive line to effectively pass block for Allen?

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Mack had been on the team on Sunday, would they have beaten the Bengals?  Would Mack's presence alone have inspired the starting offensive line to effectively pass block for Allen?

I believe Dalton wouldn't have felt as comfortable to make the majority of the throws he made that helped propel the Bengals to the win. That pass to Ross definitely wouldn't have happened!!

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Mack had been on the team on Sunday, would they have beaten the Bengals?  Would Mack's presence alone have inspired the starting offensive line to effectively pass block for Allen?

Do you think a player like Ray Lewis could change the outcome of a game? Bills fans have personally watched him do it to us.

 

I'm not talking about one preseason game that means very little in the grand scheme of things.

 

In general teams that have a good D can win football games taking less chances on Offense making it better proving grounds for young QB prospects in my humble opinion Cornette.

Edited August 28, 2018 by Figster

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Two firsts could just get you up to a top 5ish type pick where you can get a top young DL prospect in a DEEP DL draft that you’d have control of for 4-5 years....and for FAR less than $20+ mil/year. 

 

I’d love Mack, but....

[Bronxbomber21]

We definitely need a pass rush i only remember one sack this preseason and thats Phillips Would love to see Mack in a Bills jersey give them a 1st & jerry or trent 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bronxbomber21

[Buffalo Ballin]

Khalil Mack is awesome. I want him on this team regardless of price. Also, Peterman is our Franchise QB. He's here. No more years of waiting. Josh Allen can wait though. He can wait another 3 years.

[Boatdrinks]

Most important players:

1. Elite QB

2. Elite pass rusher 

2 a. Elite pass protector 

 

* Note : obtain 2 and 2a by any means and in any order possible. Draft, FA, trade whatever. 

[SouthNYfan]

41 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Two firsts could just get you up to a top 5ish type pick where you can get a top young DL prospect in a DEEP DL draft that you’d have control of for 4-5 years....and for FAR less than $20+ mil/year. 

 

I’d love Mack, but....

 

prospect is the key word

mack is an established elite pass rusher

i'm not saying i'm all in for 2 first rounders, but i'm definitely not fully against it either, although next year's first is prob gonna be top 10 so i'm not too sure i want to give that up

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

prospect is the key word

mack is an established elite pass rusher

i'm not saying i'm all in for 2 first rounders, but i'm definitely not fully against it either, although next year's first is prob gonna be top 10 so i'm not too sure i want to give that up

 

True, Mack is for real and you know what you’re getting. The talent....and the cap hit. Anyone you draft is more of a gamble, but this year is supposed to be VERY deep at DL. All things considered, that’s too rich for me in picks and $$$. 

[3rdand12]

On 8/28/2018 at 3:15 AM, Doc Brown said:

That's the risk you take as they drafted two 1st round DB's (Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor) in the following two drafts that both were busts.  However, they did get Sheldon Richardson with that specific pick.  You have to trust your front office if you're going to depart with a player of Mack's quality.

My Son is losing his mind and ready to quit the Raiders. cuz Gruden and Mack.
can only wonder what the hard core Fan base is thinking these days ?

On 8/28/2018 at 4:37 PM, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Mack had been on the team on Sunday, would they have beaten the Bengals?  Would Mack's presence alone have inspired the starting offensive line to effectively pass block for Allen?

That is not a relative comparison is it ?

Edited August 30, 2018 by 3rdand12

[Cornette's Commentary]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Khalil Mack is awesome. I want him on this team regardless of price. Also, Peterman is our Franchise QB. He's here. No more years of waiting. Josh Allen can wait though. He can wait another 3 years.

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

True, Mack is for real and you know what you’re getting. The talent....and the cap hit. Anyone you draft is more of a gamble, but this year is supposed to be VERY deep at DL. All things considered, that’s too rich for me in picks and $$$. 

This.  And, if the team is going to be as bad as people believe it will be, why would anyone NOT want a chance at Nick Bosa, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, Montez Sweat, Zach Allen etc.  Not to mention a chance at a franchise OT like Trey Adams or Michael Deiter..

Look, I get that people loved Mack when he was at UB and they wished Whaley had taken him over Watkins (in hindsight, he should have taken Mack).  But, I'm not willing to stand by and watch this team give away 2 years of 1sts and more, just so people can wear red, white and blue jerseys with the number 52 on the front and back.

[BringBackOrton]

35 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Most important players:

1. Elite QB

2. Elite pass rusher 

2 a. Elite pass protector 

 

* Note : obtain 2 and 2a by any means and in any order possible. Draft, FA, trade whatever. 

I actually disagree with 2a. 

 

My list is:

 

1. Elite QB

power gap

2. Elite pass rusher

3. Elite skill position player (WR/TE/RB) 

 

Elite pass protectors are nice, but your LT just plays the left side.  A prime Shady or Gurley or AB can hurt you a ton of ways, an LT is stuck at LT.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I actually disagree with 2a. 

 

My list is:

 

1. Elite QB

power gap

2. Elite pass rusher

3. Elite skill position player (WR/TE/RB) 

 

Elite pass protectors are nice, but your LT just plays the left side.  A prime Shady or Gurley or AB can hurt you a ton of ways, an LT is stuck at LT.

If the contract signed yesterday by Beckham is any guide, you should move WR to number 2 on your list.  

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I actually disagree with 2a. 

 

My list is:

 

1. Elite QB

power gap

2. Elite pass rusher

3. Elite skill position player (WR/TE/RB) 

 

Elite pass protectors are nice, but your LT just plays the left side.  A prime Shady or Gurley or AB can hurt you a ton of ways, an LT is stuck at LT.

Interesting viewpoint. While overall the RB position has been devalued, Gurley has brought it back to the forefront somewhat. When judging by NFL salaries , after QB it seems to be pass rushers, then WR, LT and CB as the highest paid. If using salary as an indicator of the value placed on players by NFL teams. I get the WRs as the passing game is where the NFL is at these days, but you still need a guy that excels at keeping your QB upright for the  WR to put up numbers. 

[SouthNYfan]

42 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

True, Mack is for real and you know what you’re getting. The talent....and the cap hit. Anyone you draft is more of a gamble, but this year is supposed to be VERY deep at DL. All things considered, that’s too rich for me in picks and $$$. 

 

he's worth 2 firsts if he's elite

that's how I look at it

Let's look at the bills:

say you took 2 drafts in a row

 

cj spiller + marcel dareus vs mack?

i'd take mack 

(using that as an example)

 

[Kirby Jackson]