BillnutinHouston Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Baker Mayfield gets the glass half-full treatment, while Josh Allen gets the glass half-empty treatment. What you're describing is the football version of "fake news". If you ever flip from Fox News to CNN to see how a single bit of news is discussed, you see this same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 This can’t be, In another thread I was told “the media” doesn’t know anything because the Bleacher Report wasn’t glowing enough. 6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: They have spent the last year 4 months crapping on Allen... Yup, like many (most?) Bills fans up until Allen was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: What you're describing is the football version of "fake news". If you ever flip from Fox News to CNN to see how a single bit of news is discussed, you see this same thing. Why would you ever turn off State Media? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Do you expect national media guys to be experts on all 32 teams when it's inarguable that the most devoted fans in this site who live and die Bills football 24-7 have wildly disparate views on virtually everything about the team, especially the QB? I don't expect anyone in the national media to be an experts on the Buffalo Bills or their QB. But I do expect them to be unbiased in their reporting when they are watching the team and said QB on the field. The fact is Allen outplayed or at the very least played on par with the medias darling Rookie QB Baker Mayfield and the media is being disingenuous to this fact to protect their narrative over the past 6 months. This is when it becomes Fake News. The media will protect their progostications til the bitter end and when wrong hope enough time passes by that the masses will forget. You don't have to be drinking the koolaid to see that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: God, that describes him perfectly... incredible how the Peterman nuts are still clinging. Better then the Tyrod nut riders (Sorry I had to bring back our old rivalry, I'm just joking) I agree his ceiling is a poor man's Chad. My question is this: Do we run with the poor man's Chad until the oline looks better so that we don't damage Allen?? I'm looking at Peterman like a solid, cheap, winter beater vehicle right now. You didn't pay much for it, and you're just hoping it gets the job done and keeps working just a little while longer until the bad weather is over so that you don't ruin your new Ferrari. Peterman is the beater we hope makes it through the first 5-7 games of our schedule, which is brutal, so that we don't have to take the Ferrari out of the garage until we want to. Allen is the man. Nathan Beaterman. Edited August 18, 2018 by SouthNYfan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 But the analytics at QBASE say he is going to be a bust and he can’t through the ball accurately. If he has a bad game and Rosen has a good game, there will be hand wringing again that we picked the wrong Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think what it boils down to is that most sports broadcasters and journalists are lazy and just go with the conventional wisdom and don't want to put in the time and effort to see if the conventional wisdom about Allen is correct or not. They listen to the same pundits we do and heard all of the flaws in Allen's game just like we did. On this board many of us spent some time and went back and watched film of Allen playing in Wyoming and at the Senior Bowl and throwing at the combine and at his pro day. We followed Allen's performance in the training camp practices open to the public. We wanted to have an informed opinion about Allen, but having an informed opinion takes a little bit of effort. Do you think they did all that to prepare for this game? Of course not The word out of the draft was that Allen has a rocket of an arm but was inaccurate. He was probably going to be a huge bust. With that framework in place they see everything through those lenses. Get used to it because until the evidence becomes overwhelming and shows that narrative is incorrect, that's what we are going to continue to hear week after week. Their inaccurate reporting and skewed perspective against Allen isn't malicious, it's just lazy reporting. I agree with your assessment here.., If Allen starts - winning football games should clear up those "skewed lenses". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Fadingpain said: It's actually very easy. If they say something praising the Bills, or with positive implications for the Bills, they know what they are doing. If they say something negative or insult the Bills, they are total idiots. Guess you had to find something else to be negative about since you can’t say anything bad about Allen this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: But the analytics at QBASE say he is going to be a bust and he can’t through the ball accurately. If he has a bad game and Rosen has a good game, there will be hand wringing again that we picked the wrong Josh. It's also too early to tell for either one, but having said that, Allen has looked pretty damned good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: It's also too early to tell for either one, but having said that, Allen has looked pretty damned good. Really good, but the fan base is like the wind. It’s a good thing he didn’t start as he would probably have suffered a similar fate to McCarron. Garrett abused Dawkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Why would you ever turn off State Media? Great question! But if you look at the ratings it appears the nation started turning off CNN a long time ago. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Petermans ceiling is a poor mans chad pennington. Allen's is god. Well, maybe not THE god, but A god, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Really good, but the fan base is like the wind. It’s a good thing he didn’t start as he would probably have suffered a similar fate to McCarron. Garrett abused Dawkins. Yeah, I said it before during the off-season, and got ripped for it: Our starting oline is f*cking terrible as a whole. I've seen Cuban refugee rafts with less holes in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Allen Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Most writers are going to look to back up their initial assessments as long as possible. Once the pack starts jumping on Allen's bandwagon, the naysayers won't be far behind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: This is why sports are so much simpler than politics. You can let your playing on the field destroy any narrative put out there. I'll definitely have to eat crow if Allen turns into a franchise QB, but all those expert anti Allen prognosticators have to also. Actually it's proof that there is no objective truth anymore. Allen could play the best game ever and there would be people who would look at it and say it sucked. It's right out of "1984." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Since when is Bleacher Report the media 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: Since when is Bleacher Report the media Since they started hiring excellent writers like Tyler Dunne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Great question! But if you look at the ratings it appears the nation started turning off CNN a long time ago. Right. People are pretty discerning. Well, most are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 The media, national or local, isn't going to determine if Josh Allen is successful or not. That's going to depend upon his performance on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I guess you need a tinfoil hat for this party... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Personally I thought Allen clearly outplayed Mayfield last night. But Clevelands penalties killed themselves mostly or we might of seen more from Mayfield. As for media dont care. Dont watch the news... The truth wil make itself known in good time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Since they started hiring excellent writers like Tyler Dunne. Problem being, they haven’t fired many of the hacks that made BR a joke in the first place. For every TylerDunne, there are 3 sullys. An improvement over the years, yes, still many questionable articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Problem being, they haven’t fired many of the hacks that made BR a joke in the first place. For every TylerDunne, there are 3 sullys. An improvement over the years, yes, still many questionable articles. There's no requirement to read every piece that comes out under the BR name or any other digital/traditional source for that matter. Edited August 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's no requirement to read every piece that comes out under the BR name or any other digital/traditional source for that matter. No....but BR is still kinda meh imo. I read more bad articles from BR than I do good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: No....but BR is still kinda meh imo. I read more bad articles from BR than I do good ones. I don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Why put any stock in writers when it comes to drafting a QB? 90% of the teams in the league can’t get it right either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 It was one guy's opinion, and BR for that matter. They're not exactly known for their in depth, accurate reporting or depictions. I rarely watch ESPN anymore, but I was interested to hear what was being said there. They're signing a much different tune, and one guy (Darren Woodson?) even said that with more reps, Allen is going to be a superstar. Of course, that is also just one guy's opinion, but it paints a much different picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: The media is going to force feed fans information that is twisted and altered in order to create the narrative they want. I highly suggest fans start educating themselves on their topic of interest by going to numerous sources, rather than just click a headline, listen to ESPN or click on a boxscore and assume it is a fact. I just want an unbiased opinion on how these guys are doing, I am so tired of media personalities and their inflated egos. They're not talent evaluators, their job is to report facts. Give me the facts and have constructive conversations around sports, athletes and their performance . And hopefully find an article written by someone who does agree with your opinion, so then can say, see this guy does get it. It amazes me how say anything bad about the Bills, he's terrible, knows nothing, but then when someone writes something bad about someone on another team and he's a hero. They're not talent evaluators.... Says a guy who's posts on internet message boards LOL Remember, you and everyone here are fans, short for fanatic! That's the key word, we're all fanatics, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 IF Allen starts winning games, as we all hope will happen, I think the media is going to love this guy. QBs who can make great plays are celebrated in the NFL. Allen has the ability to make plays that few others can. His background story just adds to the drama. If this happens, there will be plenty of people jumping on the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: A buncha Richard Riders, all abooard! I'm aboard and I'm hollering choo, choo!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Newsflash: Sports writers have opinions just like us. They’re not a secret cabal of anti-Bills guys wanting to trash Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: It was one guy's opinion, and BR for that matter. They're not exactly known for their in depth, accurate reporting or depictions. I rarely watch ESPN anymore, but I was interested to hear what was being said there. They're signing a much different tune, and one guy (Darren Woodson?) even said that with more reps, Allen is going to be a superstar. Of course, that is also just one guy's opinion, but it paints a much different picture. Yep, ESPN was pretty gushy about Allen at 6am this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: And hopefully find an article written by someone who does agree with your opinion, so then can say, see this guy does get it. It amazes me how say anything bad about the Bills, he's terrible, knows nothing, but then when someone writes something bad about someone on another team and he's a hero. They're not talent evaluators.... Says a guy who's posts on internet message boards LOL Remember, you and everyone here are fans, short for fanatic! That's the key word, we're all fanatics, nothing more, nothing less. I think you're missing the point. All I was doing was comparing how Mayfield's performance last night was painted in a positive light, while a similar performance for Allen last week was shown in a negative light. Don't lump me in here with "everyone else". I don't need anyone to agree with me, I was trying to raise discussion about the portrayal of the players and how fans and media alike react to that. P.S. I do work in talent evaluation LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: What you're describing is the football version of "fake news". If you ever flip from Fox News to CNN to see how a single bit of news is discussed, you see this same thing. Quit that, making sense is against the rules. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 ...who really give a rat's azz about the urinalists?......these clowns have bandwagons with elevators so they can get on and off and on and off QUICKLY......wonder how many of the "start Allen NOW" contingent published "WTF's" when the "pick was in"??.........hmmmm............ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clyde Smith Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, the skycap said: I'm aboard and I'm hollering choo, choo!! Lmao, wasn’t talking about true Bills fans. Just the media, mainly ESPN and others who been trashing this team the entire offseason. I’m aboard, sitting comfortably in first class eating popcorn with T.O.’s image on the container lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 If you watched Allen play in these two games and know anything about football, you can see he obviously has all the tools you need to be a great QB. He just needs to be coached up and developed properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: This is why sports are so much simpler than politics. You can let your playing on the field destroy any narrative put out there. I'll definitely have to eat crow if Allen turns into a franchise QB, but all those expert anti Allen prognosticators have to also. You dont have to eat crow, bro. Just sit back and enjoy the show Just now, vincec said: If you watched Allen play in these two games and know anything about football, you can see he obviously has all the tools you need to be a great QB. He just needs to be coached up and developed properly. This. And what makes it so exciting is that for the first time in forever, I feel we have a coaching staff that is up to the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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