Lfod Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) I would like to see Josh Allen start the next preseason game. I think he has proven himself enough to keep raising his level of involvement. I just would like to see it with the starting squad before I am fully on board starting him this season. Can I get one more solid performance with the starters before I think it's sealed? Edited August 18, 2018 by Lfod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Based on Lorenzo's public backing, I think it's nearly a done deal. And McD REALLY respects Lorenzo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: Based on Lorenzo's public backing, I think it's nearly a done deal. And McD REALLY respects Lorenzo. I agree with this. And didn’t McDermott already inform the players on his plan? I don’t know if that meant the week 2 of preseason plan, or if it was the rest of preseason and regular season plan. If he has stated to the team that Allen is moving up the depth chart, it would make sense for players to start publicly making comments about trust in him and his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Great question! But if you look at the ratings it appears the nation started turning off CNN a long time ago. Got it, so based on that logic you are claiming that the Backstreet Boys made better music than the Jackson 5. Wow, that's quite a claim sir, you certainly either have poor taste in music, or your logic has a flaw. https://www.top10hq.com/top-10-successful-boy-bands-time/ Edited August 18, 2018 by HardyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Right now Josh Allen is embarrassing his critics still shocked that a guy in Canton Ohio like Phill Simms saw this and a bunch of stats nerds at profootball outsiders don’t...wait no I’m not ? Edited August 18, 2018 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: The angry obsession in this country with rooting out supposed media bias is, frankly, insufferable. And most of the campaign is led by semi-illiterates. If Josh Allen can play football, the positive accolades will come. We will know soon enough but there are positive signs. In the meantime, stop with the media witch hunt. So you believe the national media, and the corporations that run them shouldn't be questioned? It's only semi-literates that question the media or corporate goals? I guess it's easier to denigrate people that don't agree with you instead of arguing the point. I'd argue the opposite. Only rubes and sheep follow the national media and their corporate owners without question. Go look up who owns these media darlings. The coverage of the football kneeling protests aren't about patriotism or social justice. I would argue that it is another attack on anything traditionally American or masculine in the country that can stand up and fight for itself. People on both sides have bought in 'hook, line and sinker'. It is a basic divide and conquer strategy. The national sports media has already painted Josh Allen as a loser. I know what I see when I watch him. He is no loser, and the Bills took a good risk with him. To the OP's post, I don't care what the 'national media' thinks about Josh Allen. They tried a smear campaign on him before his career even stated. Don't you remember the Twitter racism garbage that has all been debunked? The guy was a teenager quoting music and TV shows, and his tweets were taken out of context to make him look bad. What other rookie QB had this scrutiny? Maybe Baker Mayfield, in Cleveland. Cleveland and Buffalo, not sexy or growing. How did the 'national media' treat Shady McCoy this off season? As the story evolved how did things unravel? Shady was dumb, yes, but no criminal. They tried to make him look like OJ or Ray Rice who deserved the punishment they ultimately received, maybe more. I find it no coincidence that McCoy and Allen, two of Buffalo's highest profile players, were targeted this off season. They were painted as 'bad guys' in an era when the NFL continues to move teams to bigger and sexier markets. Cui Bono? Who benefits from stories like these? What is the big picture? You are free to believe or care about the 'national media', that is your right. I defend your right to do so. I don't care about the national media and how they portray the players on the Buffalo Bills, and that is my right too. Edited August 18, 2018 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think what it boils down to is that most sports broadcasters and journalists are lazy and just go with the conventional wisdom and don't want to put in the time and effort to see if the conventional wisdom about Allen is correct or not. They listen to the same pundits we do and heard all of the flaws in Allen's game just like we did. On this board many of us spent some time and went back and watched film of Allen playing in Wyoming and at the Senior Bowl and throwing at the combine and at his pro day. We followed Allen's performance in the training camp practices open to the public. We wanted to have an informed opinion about Allen, but having an informed opinion takes a little bit of effort. Do you think they did all that to prepare for this game? Of course not The word out of the draft was that Allen has a rocket of an arm but was inaccurate. He was probably going to be a huge bust. With that framework in place they see everything through those lenses. Get used to it because until the evidence becomes overwhelming and shows that narrative is incorrect, that's what we are going to continue to hear week after week. Their inaccurate reporting and skewed perspective against Allen isn't malicious, it's just lazy reporting. You're correct about this, and there's more that seals the deal. First, no one remembers six months from now what these guys write. In that sense, they aren't accountable for what they say. If Allen is a star in December, they'll be writing that he's a star, and the coaches get a lot of credit, and the kid really came on. They won't be writing that they were completely wrong about him. Second, there's no mileage for the writers to go against the conventional wisdom. In this case the conventional wisdom is twofold: 1. the Bills suck and always will suck and 2. Allen has a big arm, is inaccurate, is raw and needs a lot development. If you're a writer in June and you write that Allen will be an All-Pro in two years, you lose credibility with your readers, because your readers KNOW, as a matter of certainty that the Bills suck and Allen is a project. So your readers think you've been smoking too much weed, and you lose your readers. So, since no one remembers what you said six months ago, there's no upside in just spouting the conventional wisdom, while there's real downside (loss of readership) going against it. Plus, as others have said, it takes real work and guts to figure out the truth and go with it. That's in short supply in the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 Holy crap... I didn't realize this was going to deteriorate into the realm of Infowars vs. CNN. I'm just excited about Allen and, living in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, get very very little Bills coverage out here so it bodes well for my viewing habits personally for Allen to start getting this national buzz. But it's not just media, respected film guys, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I am still not so sure. I am behind Allen all the way but not sure that starting him so soon is a good idea. Given how bad our OL played against Cleveland’s first team I am reluctant to throw him to the wolves at this time. If he starts the next game and does well then it will be hard to sit him. I envisioned he would take over by week 6 unless whoever was playing had us in contention. He needs time to learn how to prepare and learn the NFL’s weekly rhythm that a starter goes through. I wish we had a veteran QB on the roster that could help him. Not McCarron or Peterman. Perhaps we can pick up a vet QB off of waivers to help the kid out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 9 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: I guess you need a tinfoil hat for this party... I got mine! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 2:19 AM, Doc Brown said: This is why sports are so much simpler than politics. You can let your playing on the field destroy any narrative put out there. I'll definitely have to eat crow if Allen turns into a franchise QB, but all those expert anti Allen prognosticators have to also. It's really the same. In politics their is overwhelming facts to support something, that the media refuses to admit, but in both cases, people don't actually look for there self. They pick who the like to listen to...normally who says what you want to hear, and people blindly believe. But it's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 If he’s the last man standing, I really like his odds..... (I’m not much of a gambler...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 23 hours ago, 34-78-83 said: Based on Lorenzo's public backing, I think it's nearly a done deal. And McD REALLY respects Lorenzo. This. As he is one of the team leaders he is most likely speaking for a majority of the locker room (specifically, the vets). They see "it" w/Allen. If 17 plays decent against 'Nati, he is starting week 1. But if he lays an egg, nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, purple haze said: This. As he is one of the team leaders he is most likely speaking for a majority of the locker room (specifically, the vets). They see "it" w/Allen. If 17 plays decent against 'Nati, he is starting week 1. But if he lays an egg, nah. Considering lorax is the guy who talk about the tweets of Allen's youth ..... I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 8:15 AM, SoCal Deek said: Great question! But if you look at the ratings it appears the nation started turning off CNN a long time ago. You’re right , MSNBC is doing much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Josh needs to show me what he can do against a first team D. Cmon man, put him in in game 3, which fits perfectly with the process. Can he do what Peterman can? is the big question. If he can, then can Peterman, and start the drafted kid on opening day. If he can't do what Peterman can, let him sit for a few games. With our O line, and our first 3 opponents, it's gonna be hard knocks for whoever starts. It would be more strategic to start Peterman, and if it goes bad because of the O line, then Josh can go in game 4. BTW, this is best preseason since the Flutie and Johnson days. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: You’re right , MSNBC is doing much better! Independent media is the way to go now a days. I won't ever pay for cable again. It's incredible what information we have access to. We're just lazy and prefer to have our opinion given to us instead of developing an acctual interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 When it becomes obvious the play of the O as a unit is elevated with Josh Allen behind center, which appears to be the case, any argument not to play Allen goes against the betterment of the team IMO. So what will McD do now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Domdab99 said: You’re right , MSNBC is doing much better! Better than Faux News Edited August 19, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Friendly reminder: preserve your gray matter and don’t read anything on bleacher report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 2:21 AM, RocCityRoller said: And you are just waking up to the fact the national media is garbage? Why do you think most Americans go to late night comedians and youtube for news? The national media is far and away trash. No journalistic integrity. Most are run by multi-national corporations. It's football dude. Not politics. Most of you don't even realize these guys aren't being paid for being journalists, it's to editoralize and give their opinion. If it was journalism in sports all the coverage of games would just be box scores. The problem is people can't handle someone having an opinion that conflicts with theirs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 5:49 AM, Coach Tuesday said: The angry obsession in this country with rooting out supposed media bias is, frankly, insufferable. And most of the campaign is led by semi-illiterates. If Josh Allen can play football, the positive accolades will come. We will know soon enough but there are positive signs. In the meantime, stop with the media witch hunt. Wah wah don’t demand better from the fourth estate! Goebbels would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 Here's an interesting (and accurate...?) theory that Sal Capaccio actually found... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 10:10 PM, Aussie Joe said: They have spent the last year 4 months crapping on Allen... Seriously one of my pod casts I listen too said 2 months ago "only Bill's fans would get excited about a qb that's not good at throwing the football" now the pod cast this morning "why are the Bill's pretending they won't start allen? Hes been balling out." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Here's an interesting (and accurate...?) theory that Sal Capaccio actually found... None of that is interesting. Mike Wilbon does it 5 days a week on PTI, and all of NFL network is the same regarding analytics. And wow, Sal making a homer point. Who would have thought. Any douche who talks about his experience playing and coaching HS football and tries to translate it to the NFL, is someone whose opinion I don't care about. Edited August 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: None of that is interesting. Mike Wilbon does it 5 days a week on PTI, and all of NFL network is the same regarding analytics. And wow, Sal making a homer point. Who would have thought. Any douche who talks about his experience playing and coaching HS football and tries to translate it to the NFL, is someone whose opinion I don't care about. Of course yu don’t care about it that it differs from yours Edited August 20, 2018 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Josh himself told Trent Dilfer during an interview that his performance was not about proving others wrong, it was about proving himself to be right. He will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Seriously one of my pod casts I listen too said 2 months ago "only Bill's fans would get excited about a qb that's not good at throwing the football" now the pod cast this morning "why are the Bill's pretending they won't start allen? Hes been balling out." They should all be held accountable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: None of that is interesting. Mike Wilbon does it 5 days a week on PTI, and all of NFL network is the same regarding analytics. And wow, Sal making a homer point. Who would have thought. Any douche who talks about his experience playing and coaching HS football and tries to translate it to the NFL, is someone whose opinion I don't care about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It is pretty obvious that you don’t The good news is Josh Allen will prove people wrong or poop people right when where the other care about you points that differ from yours and look for reasons to discredit them The good news is Josh Allen will prove people wrong or provep people right when where the other Eloquent response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Here's an interesting (and accurate...?) theory that Sal Capaccio actually found... Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 7 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Eloquent response. Yeah I really need to stop trying to use my phone to try to post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Of course yu don’t care about it that it differs from yours I just don't think these guys hate Josh allen, and pointed out their are more than enough anti analytics guys. It's just homerism. Good try though. 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah I really need to stop trying to use my phone to try to post I only post from my phone, and I have no problems remembering to use punctuation marks. I don't know if what happened their is a phone issue. I get auto-correct being a problem, but whatever you barfed up there, isn't the phone's fault. Edited August 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Josh getting the reps with the ones today. Nate with the twos. Is 26CB not doing the practice threads anymore? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 If he performs well this week it will be hard to say "don't start him" I think the O-line is too much of a problem right now - this year to throw him out there but really if he's gonna fly and be the guy hes gonna fly so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Josh getting the reps with the ones today. Nate with the twos. Is 26CB not doing the practice threads anymore? All the team stuff is closed to the media. Not nearly the volume of tweets that there was previous weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Josh getting the reps with the ones today. Nate with the twos. Is 26CB not doing the practice threads anymore? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I just don't think these guys hate Josh allen, and pointed out their are more than enough anti analytics guys. It's just homerism. Good try though. I only post from my phone, and I have no problems remembering to use punctuation marks. I don't know if what happened their is a phone issue. I get auto-correct being a problem, but whatever you barfed up there, isn't the phone's fault. You assume a lot and it shows in your posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Here's an interesting (and accurate...?) theory that Sal Capaccio actually found... I'm still an old school guy and haven't jumped all in with these new analytics. There is some that interests me but a lot doesn't. I like everything Kent D said.....well except football is the only sport where stats lie. I think all sports stats can lie. I hope Josh Allen becomes the kryptonite of pure analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I couldn't cAre less what sports writers think about our QB. I'm good with him as long as we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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