Mahomes Struggling in Camp

[Trogdor]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

/thread 

 

You said 'I wasn't sold on Watson'. Just because of the 7 games? Is his previous 3 years of dominance added to those 7 not enough? I bet if he was a Bills player you would be sold game 1 of the preseason lol. I just don't get the hate for Watson and I'm trying to understand it. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

You said 'I wasn't sold on Watson'. Just because of the 7 games? Is his previous 3 years of dominance added to those 7 not enough? I bet if he was a Bills player you would be sold game 1 of the preseason lol. I just don't get the hate for Watson and I'm trying to understand it. 

 

Didnt say I hate Watson. Just not sold on him.

[Boatdrinks]

14 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

He dominated defenses for 3 years in college and then for his 7 games in the NFL. I'm not sure how we didn't take him, but couldn't pass up a guy who was the third best QB in a weak conference. I feel like Watson gets a lot of hate on here for the simple reason that he isn't a Bill. 

Lots of us Bills fans liked Watson. I would have taken him, but I understand it was a unique scenario. Whaley was a lame duck GM; many noticed the Bills draft had a different “ feel” and assumed that McD was calling the shots . I can see why they wouldn’t want to pre- select a QB for an incoming GM. Most want to pick their own guy. It was widely thought that the 2018 draft was a better one for the QB position. Its understandable why they decided to pass on a QB and stockpile ammo to position themselves for 2018 and let the new GM have a say in the future of the franchise. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/10/2018 at 12:05 PM, BullBuchanan said:

If you watched them, you'd know he played 7 games where he threw for 1700 rushed for 250, and had utterly insane games. He was the most dynamic QB in the league last year until he got hurt.

 

Bull, detail like number of games not withstanding....I guess it depends upon your idea of elite.

 

There are a number of QB who have had one, maybe two, GREAT seasons then "something happens".  Either they're injured and never the same, or the league catches onto them, or their OC wants to progress the offense but they can't handle it.  Bob Griffin's rookie season was outstanding, his second season not nearly as good, and then bleh.  Sam Bradford had a very good rookie season.  His second year he threw 6 TD and 6 INT in 10 games then injuries hit.

 

Me, I want to see several seasons of excellent performance before I start proclaiming a guy "elite". 

 

YMMV

14 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

You said 'I wasn't sold on Watson'. Just because of the 7 games? Is his previous 3 years of dominance added to those 7 not enough? I bet if he was a Bills player you would be sold game 1 of the preseason lol. I just don't get the hate for Watson and I'm trying to understand it. 

 

What I don't understand is how any sentiment less than full-bore unabashed enthusiasm gets cast as "hate"

[JerseyBills]

14 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

You said 'I wasn't sold on Watson'. Just because of the 7 games? Is his previous 3 years of dominance added to those 7 not enough? I bet if he was a Bills player you would be sold game 1 of the preseason lol. I just don't get the hate for Watson and I'm trying to understand it. 

Can he stay healthy playing that way ? Will he have to change the way he plays to avoid another serious injury? 

I'm not sold either, but he looks very promising , but also very concerning because of the injury

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Bull, detail like number of games not withstanding....I guess it depends upon your idea of elite.

 

There are a number of QB who have had one, maybe two, GREAT seasons then "something happens".  Either they're injured and never the same, or the league catches onto them, or their OC wants to progress the offense but they can't handle it.  Bob Griffin's rookie season was outstanding, his second season not nearly as good, and then bleh.  Sam Bradford had a very good rookie season.  His second year he threw 6 TD and 6 INT in 10 games then injuries hit.

 

Me, I want to see several seasons of excellent performance before I start proclaiming a guy "elite". 

 

YMMV

 

What I don't understand is how any sentiment less than full-bore unabashed enthusiasm gets cast as "hate"

Add Carr to that list.

He looked like a different QB last year , coming off that injury in an MVP like season... 

I agree with this statement though, good points

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Can he stay healthy playing that way ? Will he have to change the way he plays to avoid another serious injury? 

I'm not sold either, but he looks very promising , but also very concerning because of the injury

Well, he was injured in practice on a non contact play. Totally fluke injury unrelated to his style. 

[Captain_Quint]

On 8/9/2018 at 3:44 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

To show how stupid it is!!!

That's not the reason. Seabiscuit has been on a "Bill's fans are idiots" kick for the last 4 or 5 years. Used to be a quality poster, but something happened and hes an !@#$ now. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

That's not the reason. Seabiscuit has been on a "Bill's fans are idiots" kick for the last 4 or 5 years. Used to be a quality poster, but something happened and hes an !@#$ now. 

 

Now?

[Captain_Quint]

5 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Now?

I'm telling ya, he was top tier, and I always looked forward to reading his posts. 

 

 

[Luka]

3 hours ago, Trogdor said:

 

He dominated defenses for 3 years in college and then for his 7 games in the NFL. I'm not sure how we didn't take him, but couldn't pass up a guy who was the third best QB in a weak conference. I feel like Watson gets a lot of hate on here for the simple reason that he isn't a Bill. 

 

I feel like you are overly emotional. I'm not hating on the guy at all, he obviously played great. I'm just not ready to anoint him football Jesus in a league with guys like Brady, Rodgers, Rothelisberger, etc.

[FearLess Price]

On 8/9/2018 at 3:44 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

To show how stupid it is!!!

 

That was obvii

 

On 8/10/2018 at 2:29 AM, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think most of us are upset about passing on Watson, who was pro-ready with every tool  you could want. Then he stormed into the NFL and was elite from Day 1, just like he was in college. Instead we passed to draft a major project from a bad conference that had a poor college career. That's why I was upset.

 

Facts. Its an opinion. It cant be wrong.

Edited August 12, 2018 by FearLess Price

[John from Riverside]

18 hours ago, Trogdor said:

 

He dominated defenses for 3 years in college and then for his 7 games in the NFL. I'm not sure how we didn't take him, but couldn't pass up a guy who was the third best QB in a weak conference. I feel like Watson gets a lot of hate on here for the simple reason that he isn't a Bill. 

Everybody wants their guy in every draft and if they dont get picked when we had a chance to take them we did the wrong thing......

 

We got Tre (one of the best defensive backs in the league) and ammunition to get our franchise guy the following year......they probably did not expect to win as many games as they did last year so we were not in a position to get Darnold or Mayfield.....but we dont actually know if they guys are gonna be better qbs anyway

 

You cannot predict NFL QB careers based off college stats......and frankly Allen has looked pretty good.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

22 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Lots of us Bills fans liked Watson. I would have taken him, but I understand it was a unique scenario. Whaley was a lame duck GM; many noticed the Bills draft had a different “ feel” and assumed that McD was calling the shots . I can see why they wouldn’t want to pre- select a QB for an incoming GM. Most want to pick their own guy. It was widely thought that the 2018 draft was a better one for the QB position. Its understandable why they decided to pass on a QB and stockpile ammo to position themselves for 2018 and let the new GM have a say in the future of the franchise. 

This is the best answer I've seen yet as to why we didn't take Watson or Mahomes in 2017.  

The real irony is that if Rex Ryan hadn't been fired, he would have pushed hard for Watson considering Rex's ties to Clemson.  

 

[GunnerBill]

I totally undeestand why they didn't take Watson while having a lame duck GM. Just think ultimately every team that passed on Deshaun Watson will regret it. But the Bills future is now tied to Josh Allen. How Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes play may be nice N "if" L type topics in 10 years time but ultimately the reality is that all that matters is the fate of Josh Allen. 

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I totally undeestand why they didn't take Watson while having a lame duck GM. Just think ultimately every team that passed on Deshaun Watson will regret it. But the Bills future is now tied to Josh Allen. How Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes play may be nice N "if" L type topics in 10 years time but ultimately the reality is that all that matters is the fate of Josh Allen. 

I agree with your take. An interesting hypothetical question is if Whaley still had his authority in last year's draft which qb, Watson or Mahommes, would he have taken? The rumors were that he was finally going to draft a qb in the first round. Some reports indicated that he favored Watson while other reports indicated Mahomes. 

 

I'm more than happy with the drafting of Allen. The best part of being able to select him was we didn't overly mortgage this year's and didn't give up any picks in next year's draft. The organizational execution to maneuver to get in position to select a high end prospect was exquisite. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Kangaxx]

Allen could do that. 

[zevo]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Being nit picky...ball was under thrown 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, zevo said:

Being nit picky...ball was under thrown 

 

Yeah Okay. 

[zevo]

1 minute ago, APoxOnYou said:

Allen could do that. 

Probably in stride 

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yeah Okay. 

Hill stopped to catch it

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, zevo said:

Probably in stride 

Hill stopped to catch it

 

Just under 69 yards in the air. Great throw. 

[HappyDays]

36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Just under 69 yards in the air. Great throw. 

 

It showcased his arm strength. It didn't showcase anything he'll need to do consistently as an NFL QB.

 

 

That throw is much more important. That is a throw he can't afford to make against a vanilla preseason 2nd string defense. I don't care if his arm is strong if he can't make smart decisions with the ball.

Edited August 18, 2018 by HappyDays

[John from Riverside]

On 8/12/2018 at 6:06 PM, GunnerBill said:

I totally undeestand why they didn't take Watson while having a lame duck GM. Just think ultimately every team that passed on Deshaun Watson will regret it. But the Bills future is now tied to Josh Allen. How Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes play may be nice N "if" L type topics in 10 years time but ultimately the reality is that all that matters is the fate of Josh Allen. 

I am feeling better about that decision every time I see Josh Allen play in a bills uniform

 

Remember.....its

 

Tre White

Josh Allen

Without giving up future first round picks

[HappyDays]

Here's another pick Mahomes threw that the defender just dropped:

 

 

And all over Twitter the only thing people are talking about is a deep TD he threw to a wide open Tyreek Hill. This is why you don't look at stat lines in preseason.

[Domdab99]

Threw a pick tonight, too

[zevo]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Just under 69 yards in the air. Great throw. 

Hill beat the coverage by a lot...to Mahomes credit he was able to get it there...but nothing great about the throw besides the arm strength 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, zevo said:

Hill beat the coverage by a lot...to Mahomes credit he was able to get it there...but nothing great about the throw besides the arm strength 

 

Hill had to slow down a bit. 

[SouthNYfan]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

It showcased his arm strength. It didn't showcase anything he'll need to do consistently as an NFL QB.

 

 

That throw is much more important. That is a throw he can't afford to make against a vanilla preseason 2nd string defense. I don't care if his arm is strong if he can't make smart decisions with the ball.

 

Watch that again, and watch his almost int in the red zone.

He literally didn't even scan the girls for defenders either time.

The int that the safety jumped in front on was clearly just the fact that he didn't even look to see if the safety was there, he was throwing it to that receiver no matter what from the get go.

[26CornerBlitz]

CHIEFS 28, FALCONS 14

Kansas City Chiefs

Late in the first half, Patrick Mahomes showed why the Chiefs are so excited about his potential. He uncorked a throw not many NFL quarterbacks could make with an over-the-top pass to Tyreek Hill that traveled about 70 yards in the air. The 69-yard TD was Mahomes' first of the preseason. But Mahomes also showed some growing pains. He threw an interception into double coverage on the previous possession. -- Adam Teicher

[Magox]

For those of you implying that Mahomes throw wasn't perfect because Hill had to slow down.......STOP!   Just STOP!   He made a throw that very few QB's could make.

 

Having said that, he made plenty of errors as well and he needs to get that under control or he's going to turn into a turnover machine which was the exact opposite of his predecessor. 

[GunnerBill]

My two big knocks on Mahomes coming out were 1) footwork and 2) accuracy and speed of decisions in the redzone when the windows get tight.

 

On 1) his footwork has gone from an absolute tire fire to jusy ugly. Which is an improvement. Sometimes it has no effect on his accuracy but sometimes it does. Will be interesting to watch as the season develops. 

 

On 2) that was on the film again last night. This is what he has to fix. 

 

I think he will make more plays than Alex Smith did but he will make more mistakes and throw more picks too. Where that balance lands will define his career. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[wppete]

At this point I don’t care about any other QBs other then Josh allen. We got our guy!

[26CornerBlitz]

 

https://app.frame.io/presentations/3a846a1a-fbd2-4737-b00e-aa12f4d56e7a

[Soda Popinski]

So my JP Losman suspicions are bearing fruit.    

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

So my JP Losman suspicions are bearing fruit.    

 

Never thought of it but that seems apt.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

I didn't see it in Baldinger's clip but he also should have had a 2nd pick.  It was in the endzone and threw it right in the hands of a Falcon's DB who dropped it.  He hit him in stride at least....

[Estelle Getty]

Yeh strange I have seen nothing but positives about his performance last week.  I watched all of his throws and he was god awful.  The one touchdown he did throw he held the ball way to long and just blindly heaved it. Looked like a steaming pile of turds tho.  The only mention of the Bills game was the McCarron injury by the national media. No Love

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said:

So my JP Losman suspicions are bearing fruit.    

Haha.  This thread is hilarious.  Allen throws for 60 yards = GOAT.  Mahomes throws the ball in the air for more yards than Allen did in his game = JP Losman!!!

 

You also know Mahomes started a game his rookie year. JP did not. Mahomes threw for 284 in a road win.  Losman didn’t start until his 2nd year and was dreadful.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LosmJ.00/gamelog/2005/

 

its ok to really like Allen.  But this thread is so irrationally trying to hate Mahomes.  It’s kinda embarrassing.