MAJBobby Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I work with the Uncle of Josh Boyce, WR. He told me that the Bills are interested and bringing in for a visit Boyce. He was drafted in 2013 from the Patriots, here is a Draft Profile of him. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/josh-boyce?id=2540181 Quote Strengths Solid overall build with a muscular upper body and strong legs. Lines up outside and in the slot. Displays very good hands. Excellent first three steps off the line to challenge corners, shakes them off the line and has enough speed to get a step down the field. Stems every route in the tree with foot quickness that college corners can't handle, does not have to slow down significantly to make a cut. Tracks the ball well over either shoulder, and shows a good job of high pointing the football in contested situations. Creates space downfield with an arm extension. Tough to bring down after the catch because of his low center of gravity and strength. Aggressive run blocker with the strength to negate his man and stick with the block. Willing to attack safeties stepping up inside if uncovered. Weaknesses Might be limited to purely playing the slot. Does not bring some difficult catches extended away from his frame that top prospects are expected to snare with their hands. Some college corners could close on him in the open field. Will fall off run blocks instead of sustaining, allowing his man to come off and make a play at times. NFL Comparison Devery Henderson Bottom Line Boyce's average height and maxed-out frame won't wow scouts, but the quickness and strength that made him a playmaker at the college level makes him a potentially dangerous weapon in the slot, with the possibility of being able to line up on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Woo! More slot guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Is he capable of creating separation? Why was he released from NE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Runs a 4.38.....just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 bring him in, may the best man win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 They definitely need WR competition. Maybe they'll find a diamond in the rough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Woo! More slot guys! Running NEs offense... yes we will have slot guys, mostly. aka quick, route runners... "But Allen can throw the ball 80 yards!" Just because Allen can throw the ball 80 yards doesn't mean you design an offense around that... Expect 10-15 play drives, hopefully that put up points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Awesome. This could put the bills up to 14 receivers, 20 if you include the TE's. Sign away every schmo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Actually I think the WR we need to keep tabs on is Phillip Dorsett. 4.33 combine speed, 6.7 3 cone drill. Compared to John Brown. NE has a ton of WRs and Dorsett's best asset is deep speed. The Pats don't employ much of a true vertical game. I think he may be the odd man out. No offense to Decker/ Dez etc but I don't want any other team's golden oldies. I'd roll the dice with Dorsett if he becomes available. Overview Second-team All-ACC wide receiver in 2014. Ten of his 36 catches were for touchdowns and he averaged 24.2 yards per catch. Took part in 2015 Senior Bowl practices, but did not play in the game due to injury. In 2013, played in eight games and missed five games due to a partially torn MCL. Caught 13 passes for 272 yards and 2 touchdowns. In 2012, led Miami in receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns. Had four games of 100-plus yards. Won a 5A Florida State Championship while at St. Thomas Aquinas High School. Pro Day Results 40-yard dash: 4.29 and 4.27 seconds Vertical jump: 38 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches Short shuttle: 4.03 seconds 3-cone: 6.85 seconds Analysis Strengths Takes the top off the defense and throws it in the trash. Elite explosiveness. Gets to top speed quickly and is a seamless glider on crossing routes, leaving man-to-man defenses in his wake. Can work outside and from the slot. Elevates and attacks contested catches. Outstanding body control and can adjust to the ball in mid-air. Mind-boggling big-play production with half of his catches going for 25-plus yards in 2014. More than just a vertical-only receiver and has the blazing feet and stop-start to beat zone coverage for big plays. Weaknesses Had partial tear of MCL in 2013. Still raw in his routes, relying on pure speed. Inconsistent with his hand placement to catch and lets the ball get on top of him. Small frame and will have to withstand hits over the middle as a slot receiver. Draft Projection Rounds 1 or 2 Sources Tell Us "I will guarantee he goes in the top 40 this year. In fact, I will be surprised if he doesn't go in the first. Elite speed and separation player." - NFC executive NFL Comparison John Brown Bottom Line Dorsett is an ascending prospect who has averaged more than 25 yards per catch since 2012. He can challenge teams vertically inside or outside and he has home-run potential after the catch as a slot receiver. With smaller wide receivers like T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown proving that small and fast can win in the NFL, Dorsett should be coveted by more than one team and has the potential to turn into a star in the NFL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Hasn't played in a game since 2014 and has a very long injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Hasn't played in a game since 2014 and has a very long injury history. I haven't seen a long injury history. All I could find was an ankle injury and a toe injury, but mostly that he was constantly a trainng camp or preseason cut and constantly being signed to practice squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 The short area quickness guys I believe we have plenty of. What we need is that burner whom Allen can hang a 60 yard pass up for once he gets past the CB and S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Running NEs offense... yes we will have slot guys, mostly. aka quick, route runners... "But Allen can throw the ball 80 yards!" Just because Allen can throw the ball 80 yards doesn't mean you design an offense around that... Expect 10-15 play drives, hopefully that put up points. I understand that the EP offense is like that, but I still would feel better having a speedy guy to trick some safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Has an NFL team ever lined up on offense with only slot WRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: Actually I think the WR we need to keep tabs on is Phillip Dorsett. 4.33 combine speed, 6.7 3 cone drill. Compared to John Brown. NE has a ton of WRs and Dorsett's best asset is deep speed. The Pats don't employ much of a true vertical game. I think he may be the odd man out. No offense to Decker/ Dez etc but I don't want any other team's golden oldies. I'd roll the dice with Dorsett if he becomes available. Overview Second-team All-ACC wide receiver in 2014. Ten of his 36 catches were for touchdowns and he averaged 24.2 yards per catch. Took part in 2015 Senior Bowl practices, but did not play in the game due to injury. In 2013, played in eight games and missed five games due to a partially torn MCL. Caught 13 passes for 272 yards and 2 touchdowns. In 2012, led Miami in receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns. Had four games of 100-plus yards. Won a 5A Florida State Championship while at St. Thomas Aquinas High School. Pro Day Results 40-yard dash: 4.29 and 4.27 seconds Vertical jump: 38 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches Short shuttle: 4.03 seconds 3-cone: 6.85 seconds Analysis Strengths Takes the top off the defense and throws it in the trash. Elite explosiveness. Gets to top speed quickly and is a seamless glider on crossing routes, leaving man-to-man defenses in his wake. Can work outside and from the slot. Elevates and attacks contested catches. Outstanding body control and can adjust to the ball in mid-air. Mind-boggling big-play production with half of his catches going for 25-plus yards in 2014. More than just a vertical-only receiver and has the blazing feet and stop-start to beat zone coverage for big plays. Weaknesses Had partial tear of MCL in 2013. Still raw in his routes, relying on pure speed. Inconsistent with his hand placement to catch and lets the ball get on top of him. Small frame and will have to withstand hits over the middle as a slot receiver. Draft Projection Rounds 1 or 2 Sources Tell Us "I will guarantee he goes in the top 40 this year. In fact, I will be surprised if he doesn't go in the first. Elite speed and separation player." - NFC executive NFL Comparison John Brown Bottom Line Dorsett is an ascending prospect who has averaged more than 25 yards per catch since 2012. He can challenge teams vertically inside or outside and he has home-run potential after the catch as a slot receiver. With smaller wide receivers like T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown proving that small and fast can win in the NFL, Dorsett should be coveted by more than one team and has the potential to turn into a star in the NFL. You think the Patriots* will cut him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 57 minutes ago, eball said: Has an NFL team ever lined up on offense with only slot WRs? Yeah, NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Running NEs offense... yes we will have slot guys, mostly. aka quick, route runners... "But Allen can throw the ball 80 yards!" Just because Allen can throw the ball 80 yards doesn't mean you design an offense around that... Expect 10-15 play drives, hopefully that put up points. Seems like Josh Rosen might be better suited for an offense that requires quick processing and accuracy on short routes. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Why don’t we ever attempt to bring in good receivers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I think we need a magical influx of wide receivers that might sign for multiple years We have multiple ex wrs spread all over the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Seems like Josh Rosen might be better suited for an offense that requires quick processing and accuracy on short routes. Just saying... Rosen’s career will take off once he gives up football and takes his chair on The View. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 He would be the 12th WR on the roster...how in the heck can you possibly give all these guys proper playing time in the pre season? Out of the entire group we have a #2 and a #4 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I think we need a magical influx of wide receivers that might sign for multiple years We have multiple ex wrs spread all over the league The good news is Zay Jones will likely be really good in 4 years when he goes to some random team out West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Hasn’t played a game in 4 years?!? Is Peerless Price available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: The good news is Zay Jones will likely be really good in 4 years when he goes to some random team out West. He’ll join that illustrious list of former Bills who became all-pros elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 5 years and he's done nothing. Pats aren't picky, **** Hogan has looked good with them... yet he's not there? Was there some sort of injury derailing this dude or is he just one of the many better college players than NFL caliber. Camp Bod imo, but hey who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 i'm not going through all the posts, but when i saw roughly 4:30, i figure this guy only has to run the fly route. i don't know what all the dissection is about, but don't sleep on robert foster who posted a 4:31 in 2016 and btw, i think daboll knows him. all we need is one deep threat and quite honestly, i think zay will fill that slippery outside role while kerley and reilly man the slot.....if we were to stand pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Eric Moulds on my A** said: 5 years and he's done nothing. Pats aren't picky, **** Hogan has looked good with them... yet he's not there? Was there some sort of injury derailing this dude or is he just one of the many better college players than NFL caliber. Probably just has too high a standard of honesty and sportsmanship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 i'd like to add to that, that i would love to see a.j. start and have an established timing game ingrained with kb, zane, kerley, riley and holmes. i would like to see some progression from reilly, dupri and foster. i think this staff will mold together a solid unit that nobody saw coming. if you gave these guys to the pats, you would all be saying, don't worry, he'll (brady ) make them stars. btw between dupri and foster i see 1 james lofton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Robotulism Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Got more slots than Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why don’t we ever attempt to bring in good receivers? What good ones out there would you like to bring in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: What good ones out there would you like to bring in? About what time period are we speaking? Today? The beginning of FA? The draft? I mean today? Dez, Maclin, a trade for someone...Could gave traded for guys on draft day. Lots of big FA early on that could have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: About what time period are we speaking? Today? The beginning of FA? The draft? I mean today? Dez, Maclin, a trade for someone...Could gave traded for guys on draft day. Lots of big FA early on that could have helped. Dez would be worthless to us. What's he going to do that Holmes or Kerly or Benjamin can't do? He can't stretch the field anymore and he has no separation. Maclin? Okay, howv he is going to help us? Is he still a No. 1? Who would you have liked to trade for, and which of the top 5 draft picks would you like to give up for doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 11 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Running NEs offense... yes we will have slot guys, mostly. aka quick, route runners... "But Allen can throw the ball 80 yards!" Just because Allen can throw the ball 80 yards doesn't mean you design an offense around that... Expect 10-15 play drives, hopefully that put up points. Exactly, I'm thinking that they are expecting to start McCarron and run a quick passing game, long drives, Shady, and a tough defense. Even if Allen were to win the job at some point, you don't want to put too much on the rookie's plate, so it would still be a good plan. Then next year as hopefully Allen is progressing and you have tons of free agent money and a full compliment of draft picks, you get your #1 WR, resign KB as 1a, and hopefully Zay (in year 3) has developed and then you can start opening the offense up. I think they will pass a lot more this year than last, but I also expect the passing game to still be somewhat conservative, mostly safe throws, etc. (unless the stars align...i.e., McCarron or Allen shine, Zay blows up, KB is the man, and another WR shows). I think they are preparing for the worst from the QB position, to be able to win even if no QB plays great (like last year), but if one or more of them comes on, then they can open up and expand it. But realistically that might not fully happen until next year. This year we're just looking for guys who can hold down the fort, safe outlets, good, fast route runners. But then again, you never know when McBeane is gonna pull another rabbit out of their collective hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why don’t we ever attempt to bring in good receivers? Yeah. I pass the good receiver tree everyday on my way to work. Plenty of guys growing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Josh Boyce, huh? Super Bowl here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Josh Boyce, huh? Super Bowl here we come. Hold your horses... This is just a rumour at this stage.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why don’t we ever attempt to bring in good receivers? Watkins? That was only 4 years ago. I see what you are saying though. Honestly, I get it this year. I think it's a "process" year (aka a "throw away" year). I firmly believe that next offseason is the one where they try to surround Allen with weapons. They got us to the playoffs, so now they have some time to build without wreckless abandon. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 1:22 PM, Mark Vader said: You think the Patriots* will cut him? yup, for the reasons I noted. His best asset doesn't fit the Pats game plan well, and New England is overloaded at WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 What are you people talking about? Boyce was a Pats* preseason wonder in 2013, and then couldn't stick on a roster. He's a poor man's Goodwin (prior to the 2017 season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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