***Speculation from Brownsboard.com***

[Coach Tuesday]

Fascinating stuff.

 

Wouldn't surprise me at all that DePodesta loves Mayfield - DP is an analytics maven.  Also wouldn't surprise me that Hue doesn't love Mayfield - Hue strikes me as arrogant and semi-stupid, and probably would feel threatened by a loud, intelligent voice like Baker's.  Hue also runs his passing offense off a script - not Mayfield's game.

 

All of that said - if the Browns take Chubb at 1, after taking Garrett at 1 last year, they're complete, utter morons.  They're not going to be able to pay both of those guys in 4 years and they'll be counting on the third-best QB falling to them at 4.

[Mickey]

I am not sure there is a single possible ranking of QB's that isn't identified here as an outcome under consideration. Thus, no matter what happens, the poster can say, "see? I told ya so". And if even 10% of it is true, the Browns are running a clown show behind the scenes. Is there a single private thought of the Browns staff that isn't being broadcast here?

[billsredneck1]

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

 

Could be true.  Could be why some rumors I read last night are saying the Bills are preparing a package of 6 picks to move up to #2.

i sure hope not. i'm fine with 12/22 and next year's 1st but that's it . take it or go ahead and take darnold and let him sit til eli's done.

[aristocrat]

I wondered why the browns hadn’t just picked a guy by now. Man too many cooks in the kitchen

[stuvian]

there is the deep state and there is deep football

[MrEpsYtown]

20 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

I wondered why the browns hadn’t just picked a guy by now. Man too many cooks in the kitchen

 

100% with you...it is crazy because I thought they hired Dorsey to sort of become the guy so they can stop having all of this dysfunction. 

[PIZ]

55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s true as a whole of any message board. But at draft time, believe it or not, info like this is more credible than what you see on mainstream twitter from the guys with the blue check mark who intentionally are being fed misinformation for the masses. To me, the fewer posts a guy has on a message board the more I believe what he’s saying. Usually they fly in, report stuff, and leave. If they stick around defending themselves incessantly like Dunkirk Don, I know they are frauds. 

 

Never forget Leroi correctly called the pick here on 2015 when no one had the name on the Bills radar. 

 

2nd round - Ronald Darby?

[dave mcbride]

Great stuff and confirms my belief that a strong case can be made for Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen as #1 overalls. That is really rare - only 2004 and 1983 compare, really. That is why the Bills really need to get one of these guys if they can. They are that much better (at least as prospects) than next year's shaky crop. We knew this after last season too -- everyone said that this was the year. 

 

Btw, I'm starting to get a sneaking sense that Lamar Jackson might go before Allen. I still think Allen goes ni the first, btw.

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

2nd round - Ronald Darby?

Yes.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

I'll say this, if the Browns Poster is looking for attention he sure is willing to put in the work to seem believable. I still don't see the Browns passing on a qb number 1 (Rosen or Darnold). If they take a QB one lets say the Giants go Chubb, Barkley, or a QB, or they trade to the Bills or another QB hungry team. You know the Jets are going QB. So either 3 qb's go or 2 prior to the Browns next pick.

 

In this scenario the Browns get their number one QB and either Chubb or Barkley at 4. That's an absolute no brainer setting the team up for years if their QB is a top 15 or better QB in the league. Only the browns could screw this up.

[aristocrat]

I used to have a source who was a bills scout but he got fired along with Whaley last year. I’d only get  post draft stuff. The only time he texted me from the war room was to tell me they were pissed Mark Barron got picked. Now he works for a afc south team

[BigBuff423]

I'm one for staying at 12 and keeping all the picks. In fact, if the Bills were able to get a QB at 12, ala Jackson, I'd be fine with trading 22 to go back in the 1st if it meant picking up another or say for the Colts, picking up 2 of their 2nds. Bills need a lot of good players to fill out their roster and the positions of "need" are deep this year in this Draft. 

 

That said, IF the Bills wanted to trade up for the franchise guy they think they MUST get, the OP's scenario is probably the worst for the Bills. Mayfield - Browns, Darnold - Giants, Rosen - Jets....meaning the Bills are essentially pegged to stay at 12. Again, I prefer that, but if they really, really want to go up and get their guy, Mayfield at 1, just about puts a nail in that coffin. Because, I'm not one who thinks Gettleman will trade out of 2....and by the time 4 comes around if the above scenario is accurate, why would the Bills trade up if they can still get Allen or Jackson at 12? That would be worse than trading up for any of the other 3, IMO.

Just now, aristocrat said:

I used to have a source who was a bills scout but he got fired along with Whaley last year. I’d only get  post draft stuff. The only time he texted me from the war room was to tell me they were pissed Mark Barron got picked. Now he works for a afc south team

 

So, Texans? Gaines is there now....

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

2nd round - Ronald Darby?

Yes. I mean no one had that guy linked to the Bills that I saw and he posted “they are picking Ron Darby” In the week leading up to the draft. Clearly he was saying, if he was available.

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said:

I'm one for staying at 12 and keeping all the picks. In fact, if the Bills were able to get a QB at 12, ala Jackson, I'd be fine with trading 22 to go back in the 1st if it meant picking up another or say for the Colts, picking up 2 of their 2nds. Bills need a lot of good players to fill out their roster and the positions of "need" are deep this year in this Draft. 

 

That said, IF the Bills wanted to trade up for the franchise guy they think they MUST get, the OP's scenario is probably the worst for the Bills. Mayfield - Browns, Darnold - Giants, Rosen - Jets....meaning the Bills are essentially pegged to stay at 12. Again, I prefer that, but if they really, really want to go up and get their guy, Mayfield at 1, just about puts a nail in that coffin. Because, I'm not one who thinks Gettleman will trade out of 2....and by the time 4 comes around if the above scenario is accurate, why would the Bills trade up if they can still get Allen or Jackson at 12? That would be worse than trading up for any of the other 3, IMO.

 

So, Texans? Gaines is there now....

 

Titans

[CLTbills]

Thanks for posting. Great read. It'll be interesting if true!

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Yes. I mean no one had that guy linked to the Bills that I saw and he posted “they are picking Ron Darby” In the week leading up to the draft. Clearly he was saying, if he was available.

Ya. That one came from left field. I would say that would nail down somebodies credibility if they called that one. Haha 

[DCOrange]

There were a couple years where a relative of mine worked very closely with the Bills front office (not directly in the front office though) so he had given me a few tidbits along the way, with the main one being that EJ Manuel was the QB that Buffalo was targeting leading up to the 2013 draft.

[unbillievable]

Never trust anyone who uses "boi" unironically.

 

[Wsam4031]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

This was always inexorable and as easy to read as the Hollywood sign on the hill.  Which 4 picks of the top 5 and what sequence is interesting but the Browns, Giants, Jets and Broncos will all have a new QB before the Colts are on the clock.  The Jets/Colts trade was not about the Bills, it was about the Broncos.  

 

The slim chance the Bills have is a trade with the Browns at 4, or if the article is true, and their dysfunctional group can only reach agreement by seeing what happens in front of them, an even slimmer possibility at 1.  Both of these possibilities are very slim IMO.  If the Giants somehow hate all the QBs but one, and the Browns pick that guy, I suppose something could happen.  I think the overall odds of the Bills making a top 4 pick is about 2%.

Im starting to get that impression too. Its not going to be very likely we get into the top 4

[Original Byrd Man]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

  Hope that happens. Browns will be Browns, I suppose.

Actually makes a lot of sense.  Garrett and Chubb as bookends and still have one of the four QB's.  To be honest it's anybody's guess as to who will be successful out of this group so why not take the guy with the least amount of questions first.

[Utah John]

I'm hearing here about a lot of scenarios where we give up three firsts and more in order to take the fourth best QB.  Seriously, that is a desperation move, and unless lightning strikes and the guy turns out great, a killer for the franchise for years to come.

 

If one of the guys the Bills truly want is available even for a very high price, they should make the deal.  If they'd be settling for someone, use the picks to build the team.

 

[KDIGGZ]

I am still very surprised by all of this.  by taking Chubb first they are pretty much saying that they think he is a HOF type talent worthy of the spot and he's worth the 3+ 1st round picks another team would surely trade to get the #1 pick.  that says a lot.  i didn't think Chubb was that good but I didn't watch a lot of NC State so who knows.  it seems like many have either Barkley or Nelson as their top players in the draft.  I know an edge rusher is more valuable than those positions but they already have 2 young DE's in Cleveland and Garrett actually was worth the 1st pick as he was seen as a generational type talent.  Louis Riddick on ESPN did say he would take Chubb over Garrett because he was a tough hard nosed type player but a lot of people dismissed that as crazy tv talk.  if i was Cleveland it's very clear what the right thing to do is: Darnold at 1 and Barkley or Chubb at 4.  it's such a no brainer that it's pure comedy that they are thinking of going in another direction.  the Browns will always be the Browns i guess!

[FeelingOnYouboty]

This is the nonsense that starts popping up during this time of the year when the #1 pick is obvious. Fabricated storylines to generate more interest before Draft Day. This time last year we were hearing Trubisky to the Browns nonsense.

 

Darnold is going #1 to Cleveland. Mayfield is going to the Jets. What happens at 2 and 4 are going to be interesting. 

[BillsMafioso]

I’ve been saying all along Allen will fall. 

 

Head coaches on the hot seat picking in top5... why take on biggest QB gamble when ur jobs on the line?

Edited April 12, 2018 by BillsMafioso

[Chuck Wagon]

I can completely buy that Chubb is the guy the Browns and Giants are jockeying to get.  I've thought for a while the Giants - Darnold interest is smokescreen because the Giants want a non-Qb to drop and realistically the value on players and the depth of positions in this draft would nudge Chubb up as a clear #1.  I think if Darnold is sitting at 2 we are coming in guns blazing on a deal to get him, the hold up on any deal with the Giants is almost certainly based upon Cleveland.  If the Giants put the pick up, I have to believe we go get it, I just can't see letting another sure QB team trade there and risking QBs going 2-5 with us just watching it happen.

 

There were rumors about the Browns being in love with Baker back in January and they dried up almost overnight.  They could very likely look at it as they take Chubb 1 and know they are getting one of Darnold / Baker / Rosen at 3, letting someone else make the decision for them, because that would be the Browns thing to do.  I just don't see the Giants during down 5-6 premium picks, the Browns sure, they have depth of picks, but the Giants desperately need a cheap young talent infusion across the roster.  I think Beane isn't giving his best offer until he knows who is there, it wouldn't surprise me if we have the Giants price to say yes and the wait is here to pull the trigger.

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, BillsMafioso said:

I’ve been saying all along Allen will fall. 

 

Head coaches on the hot seat picking in top5... why take on biggest QB gamble when ur jobs on the line?

I agree with this.  They might like his size and his arm and ohh and ahh when he throws but when it comes time to actually pick him i don't think they have the guts to make that kind of gamble.  they might secretly covet him but it's too much of a risk.  now the question is how far does he fall?  does Denver scoop him up or do they make the Bills at least think they will get him unless they give up a HUGE haul.  i think they are in a very powerful position now and they know it

[Bookie Man]

I could see where they'd want to select Chubb before the Giants have a chance to. I think the Giants could have strong interest in him at #2. With Chubb and a healthy Garrett, that DL would be cooking with FIRE.

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, Rise Up Lights said:

I could see where they'd want to select Chubb before the Giants have a chance to. I think the Giants could have strong interest in him at #2. With Chubb and a healthy Garrett, that DL would be cooking with FIRE.

Gregg Williams would have to write a ton of bounty checks!

[FeelingOnYouboty]

14 minutes ago, BillsMafioso said:

I’ve been saying all along Allen will fall. 

 

Head coaches on the hot seat picking in top5... why take on biggest QB gamble when ur jobs on the line?

 

Unless Buffalo secretly likes the kid which they might. I can see Beane and McDermott thinking he's the next Cam Newton. They'd be insane to think that but all these NFL guys at their core are size queens.

 

If the Broncos pass on him and the Bills don't trade for him I can see Arizona maybe trading up to Chicago, SF, Oakland and getting a deal done.

 

9 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

I agree with this.  They might like his size and his arm and ohh and ahh when he throws but when it comes time to actually pick him i don't think they have the guts to make that kind of gamble.  they might secretly covet him but it's too much of a risk.  now the question is how far does he fall?  does Denver scoop him up or do they make the Bills at least think they will get him unless they give up a HUGE haul.  i think they are in a very powerful position now and they know it

 

NFL guys really can't help themselves. It's size and ego. They all think they're going to be the one who can untap his potential.

Edited April 12, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

NFL guys really can't help themselves. It's size and ego. They all think they're going to be the one who can untap his potential.

 

It's not about ego; it's about whether or not you see a guy that is going to be the "good" Josh Allen often enough to succeed in the NFL, because when he was right, he was far and away the best QB in this draft.

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, Derby Dan said:

The browns will take darnold and trade down with their number 4 pick

 

No one will take you seriously with your name, my guy.

[stony]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They won’t take him. All if this meshes with what I’ve heard as well. 1)There are too many wanna be GMs in that room for the Browns and egos are getting in the way and 2)hue is dead man walking. He will not get his way, they will purposely not take his guy.

 

there is a weekly series on Channel 5 that  are doing that goes behind the scenes with the pre draft process for the Browns. Obviously they don’t reveal anything but the awkwardness between hue and Dorsey is palpable and uncomfortable. They hate each other already.

 

i can’t picture Sashi in a cigar bar 

 

the disgruntled scout stuff is all true and I have a relative in another FO. I see the reports of who they have “significant interest in”  and know it’s not who they are taking. Anything you see right now from guys like Ben Allbright, Daniel Jeremiah, etc is being put out there on purpose. If you heard something in December or January it could be legit. In April it’s BS.

Although Haslam seemed to receive universe praise for booting Sashi and bringing in Dorsey, I always thought it was a cowards move.  It makes me happy to see that he's still screwing the pooch by hiring too many cooks for the kitchen.  

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, stony said:

Although Haslam seemed to receive universe praise for booting Sashi and bringing in Dorsey, I always thought it was a cowards move.  It makes me happy to see that he's still screwing the pooch by hiring too many cooks for the kitchen.  

 

 

Browns are going to Brown.  Haslam hasn't changed despite the minds he brings in.

[Chuck Wagon]

I'm waiting for the Browns to take Chubb #1 and Lamar Jackson #4.  That's the "Browns" move.

[Da webster guy]

Chubb will still be there at 4th pick, and will probably go to some other team after 5 years if he's elite.  The Browns ability to sign all these high picks in 4 and 5 years will be very compromised.   

 

The QB they want might not be there at 4, so I don't see the logic in picking Chubb 1st and then watching two qb's come off the board.  It makes zero sense.  Also, if your qb is elite you keep him for a dozen or more years.

 

That said, if Chubb is a monster, I could not imagine how good the pass rush would be with Garrett on the other side.  Jailbreak City.

[corta765]

5 hours ago, kdiggz said:

The Browns and Giants are going to screw this up for us. The right thing to do is to take Darnold at 1. Everyone has known that for a while. He fits what Cleveland wants to do and he is a personality match for that organization. It was a slam dunk no brainer. The Giants then don't really NEED a QB and would be happy with Chubb. He fills an immediate need with the departure of JPP. But now they have their choice of QB in the best QB draft in the past decade so any GM would be like hmmmmm interesting, especially since their current QB is getting old. Now what we have is a cluster **** my friends:

 

1. Browns- Chubb

2. Giants- Darnold

3. Jets - Mayfield

4. Browns - Rosen

5. Broncos - Allen

 

We are on the outside looking in. There is a chance that Barkley at 5 is too good of a deal to pass up for Elway but he is QB crazy and has been on a mission all offseason to check out all of the QB prospects in person with his entire staff with him. Hopefully Allen isn't who he wants since they already have a big inaccurate QB project with Paxton Lynch. So maybe they do take Barkley at 5. I'd say it's 50-50.

 

We either zero in on our guy and give up everything to get to 2 or we sit back and see if we can get Allen at 6-7. If the Giants know their pick is now for the top QB in the draft it will be worth a massive haul. Expect 12, 22, 53, 56, 65, next year's 1st. If the Bills think they have found their QB that will be around for the next decade then do it. Otherwise you are hoping and praying you get a shot at Allen, a QB who is 2 yrs away from starting.

 

This is why when the Jets traded up to 3 I got a pit in my stomach. You knew the Colts would be willing to move by the Giants are far more expensive and that is IF they would even want to move. Your scenario above which is very plausible would be ground zero for the Bills and effectively force them to either draft then BPA pushing the QB decision to 2019 or settle with a concession QB like Rudolph/Jackson (FYI not saying they can't workout its a gamble with any QB but they were not the goal). My hope is they somehow can swing into 2 or 4 and grab one of Rosen Darnold or Mayfield, I want nothing to do with Allen.

[TigerJ]

Can you spell "dysfunctional?"  LOL

[HappyDays]

I don't understand why Hue would declare Tyrod the starter for the year if he likes Rosen. Rosen would probably start right away. I still think Darnold or Allen are the pick.

[McBean]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

This was always inexorable and as easy to read as the Hollywood sign on the hill.  Which 4 picks of the top 5 and what sequence is interesting but the Browns, Giants, Jets and Broncos will all have a new QB before the Colts are on the clock.  The Jets/Colts trade was not about the Bills, it was about the Broncos.  

 

The slim chance the Bills have is a trade with the Browns at 4, or if the article is true, and their dysfunctional group can only reach agreement by seeing what happens in front of them, an even slimmer possibility at 1.  Both of these possibilities are very slim IMO.  If the Giants somehow hate all the QBs but one, and the Browns pick that guy, I suppose something could happen.  I think the overall odds of the Bills making a top 4 pick is about 2%.

Agreed.

 

That’s why I’ve been so frustrated with people talking about trading to #2. It isn’t happening. Why? Because the Giants ARE taking a QB! Shurmur has already been fired once for not having a QB. He isn’t that stupid to hitch his wagon to a guy who will be hanging up his cleats in 2 years max. This is an incredible opportunity for them because the odds of the Giants ever being in the position again for the next 10+ years is slim.

 

Unfortunately, it’s time to seriously debate if taking Jackson or Rudolph at 12 is worth it.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

I don't understand why Hue would declare Tyrod the starter for the year if he likes Rosen. Rosen would probably start right away. I still think Darnold or Allen are the pick.

I agree. But, then again its the Browns and normal logic doesn't apply.

[corta765]

1 minute ago, McBean said:

Agreed.

 

That’s why I’ve been so frustrated with people talking about trading to #2. It isn’t happening. Why? Because the Giants ARE taking a QB! Shurmur has already been fired once for not having a QB. He isn’t that stupid to hitch his wagon to a guy who will be hanging up his cleats in 2 years max. This is an incredible opportunity for them because the odds of the Giants ever being in the position again for the next 10+ years is slim.

 

Unfortunately, it’s time to seriously debate if taking Jackson or Rudolph at 12 is worth it.

 

The problem here is if the Bills come out and say they are thrilled they got either and that was the plan it's BS. The problem for the Bills is you can't come out and say will we failed and had to take one of these two. It's a giant lose lose either way.