Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=22859694 So I saw this as Incarcerated Bob retweet on Twitter and wanted to make sure it was true because, well this is killing me. A quick search on ESPN and I was able to find the segment from today's Michael Kay show. The Bills talk starts around 4:40 A quick recap: 1.) Giants love Darnold, if he is available at 2 they would have a hard time passing on him 2.) They like Barkely and the lineman (Nelson) and have no problem with that at #2 3.) On pretty good word, the Giants will have sweet offers from the Bills for the pick 4.) Don't rule the cards out, but they haven't made any offers yet. Edit: From what I recall: 1.) I'm not sure what the "sweet offers" are. 2.) At first I believed he was saying the Bills made sweet offers and then on re-listen it sounded like the giants had sweet offers for the pick and he only mentioned the Bills as making an offer. Kay didn't drill down and ask questions so that was about it... Sweet offers could mean multiple offers of only picks or I suppose some players. I know the Giants only have $5-6$ million under the cap, so if players were included from us I am assuming we would be taking a contract back...I doubt players are included but who the hell knows... Edit#2: I just saw CuddyDark's comment and went back to give a re-listen and he is correct. When I posted this last night, I was going off of memory and missed this part.... "On pretty good word that they are gonna get some pretty sweet offers much more likely from Buffalo..Don't rule ArZ out, they like Josh Allen..." Thanks for bringing that up Cuddy! Edited March 22, 2018 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Can this just happen or not already?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Easter then just 4 more weeks. Edited March 22, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Virgil said: Can this just happen or not already?! killed me since I heard it...I have a feeling it may drag out a bit through pro days and such. I hope it doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=22859694 So I saw this as Incarcerated Bob retweet on Twitter and wanted to make sure it was true because, well this is killing me. A quick search on ESPN and I was able to find the segment from today's Michael Kay show. The Bills talk starts around 4:40 A quick recap: 1.) Giants love Darnold, if he is available at 2 they would have a hard time passing on him 2.) They like Barkely and the lineman (Nelson) and have no problem with that at #2 3.) On pretty good word, the Giants have sweet offers from the Bills for the pick 4.) Don't rule the cards out, but they haven't made any offers yet. Edit: From what I recall: 1.) I'm not sure what the "sweet offers" are. 2.) At first I believed he was saying the Bills made sweet offers and then on re-listen it sounded like the giants had sweet offers for the pick and he only mentioned the Bills as making an offer. Kay didn't drill down and ask questions so that was about it... Sweet offers could mean multiple offers of only picks or I suppose some players. I know the Giants only have $5-6$ million under the cap, so if players were included from us I am assuming we would be taking a contract back...I doubt players are included but who the hell knows... Lets assume all information here is true (which its likely not as no teams are sharing honest draft plans). Tells me that no trade is likely to happen until the Giants are on the clock on draft night. If they love Darnold and would have a hard time not taking him at #2, then that means they will probably wait and see if he is there before they decide to trade down or not and also see how much higher the offers get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Exactly ...And putting out that the bills have made a sweet offer is probably only to get other teams to up the ante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 personally, I think this will not happen until draft day and the Giants know where or not Cleveland takes their guy. If they really love Darnold and the Browns take him maybe they move the pick. If the Browns go in a different direction, the NYG say, we can't pass on our guy. Maybe the Giant say listen we want x, y or z and we can't get them at #12, you have to move up or we will do what we must. It's gonna be 5 more weeks of speculation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Exactly ...And putting out that the bills have made a sweet offer is probably only to get other teams to up the ante No one has more capital than us and is more willing than us so I see no competition. On another note taking back players to free up cap for them sounds interesting. I don’t think the Giants are particularly enamored with Josh Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 If they turn down all of those picks for a GUARD they are out of their minds. I don't care if he's the best guard in history. That's just not an important enough position in the NFL and there's no way he's really that much better than everyone else that it would make that much of a difference 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, KRT88 said: personally, I think this will not happen until draft day and the Giants know where or not Cleveland takes their guy. If they really love Darnold and the Browns take him maybe they move the pick. If the Browns go in a different direction, the NYG say, we can't pass on our guy. Maybe the Giant say listen we want x, y or z and we can't get them at #12, you have to move up or we will do what we must. It's gonna be 5 more weeks of speculation. Excellent summary of the popular thinking right now. I too think everyone is going to wait until draft day. Even if the Giants are 90% sure that they plan on moving the pick then they will probably wait until the last moment to get the best possible offer and be sure that Cleveland doesn't pull some crazy stunt and draft a RB or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, kdiggz said: If they turn down all of those picks for a GUARD they are out of their minds. I don't care if he's the best guard in history. That's just not an important enough position in the NFL and there's no way he's really that much better than everyone else that it would make that much of a difference I value OL as much as any poster on this board and I must agree with the above in terms of drafting a guard at #2. I also know just how bad the Giants OL is. It is probably the worst in the NFL; however, a guard at #2 is still entirely out of the question. It makes me believe that the rest of the article is mere speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, kdiggz said: If they turn down all of those picks for a GUARD they are out of their minds. I don't care if he's the best guard in history. That's just not an important enough position in the NFL and there's no way he's really that much better than everyone else that it would make that much of a difference Yeah, there is no reason for them to keep the pick unless they are going to select a QB with it. The pick is too valuable to keep for anything else. The Giants are a well run organization, and will either trade it or pick a QB. They aren't the Jets. 3 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I value OL as much as any poster on this board and I must agree with the above in terms of drafting a guard at #2. I also know just how bad the Giants OL is. It is probably the worst in the NFL; however, a guard at #2 is still entirely out of the question. It makes me believe that the rest of the article is mere speculation. They could get 2 top Oline prospects by trading that pick, at least. And more.... PS. the Bills would give them ANY lineman they want on the roster, plus picks. Edited March 22, 2018 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: It makes me believe that the rest of the article is mere speculation. If the word McShay didn't make you believe it and the fact it was about a team from NYC didn't, how did the guard talk tip the scales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Tinfoil hat on here but i wouldnt put it past the league to prevent a trade from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lets assume all information here is true (which its likely not as no teams are sharing honest draft plans). Tells me that no trade is likely to happen until the Giants are on the clock on draft night. If they love Darnold and would have a hard time not taking him at #2, then that means they will probably wait and see if he is there before they decide to trade down or not and also see how much higher the offers get. Agree. I think the tricky balance for Buffalo is how far the Giants trade back. If we could get up to #7 pre-draft I think it would make convincing the Giants to do the trade an absolute slam dunk... the problem is if they go to #7 that does tip their hat to any trade up rivals. 14 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I value OL as much as any poster on this board and I must agree with the above in terms of drafting a guard at #2. I also know just how bad the Giants OL is. It is probably the worst in the NFL; however, a guard at #2 is still entirely out of the question. It makes me believe that the rest of the article is mere speculation. Seattle is the worst, Tampa's is dreadful too. The Giants are in there with those two teams though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I find it hard to believe. I hope they don’t give away the farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=22859694 So I saw this as Incarcerated Bob retweet on Twitter and wanted to make sure it was true because, well this is killing me. A quick search on ESPN and I was able to find the segment from today's Michael Kay show. The Bills talk starts around 4:40 A quick recap: 1.) Giants love Darnold, if he is available at 2 they would have a hard time passing on him 2.) They like Barkely and the lineman (Nelson) and have no problem with that at #2 3.) On pretty good word, the Giants have sweet offers from the Bills for the pick 4.) Don't rule the cards out, but they haven't made any offers yet. Edit: From what I recall: 1.) I'm not sure what the "sweet offers" are. 2.) At first I believed he was saying the Bills made sweet offers and then on re-listen it sounded like the giants had sweet offers for the pick and he only mentioned the Bills as making an offer. Kay didn't drill down and ask questions so that was about it... Sweet offers could mean multiple offers of only picks or I suppose some players. I know the Giants only have $5-6$ million under the cap, so if players were included from us I am assuming we would be taking a contract back...I doubt players are included but who the hell knows... If 1 is true the deal won’t happen until after Cleveland picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, mead107 said: I find it hard to believe. I hope they don’t give away the farm. But if we give away the farm, whoever we pick will be awesome. It could be Rosen, Mayfield, Lalulealaleta, Falk, Keane or whoever. Pick 2 = incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 55 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: No one has more capital than us and is more willing than us so I see no competition. On another note taking back players to free up cap for them sounds interesting. I don’t think the Giants are particularly enamored with Josh Rosen. Whoever coined the phrase draft capital needs punched in the face. So annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Whoever coined the phrase draft capital needs punched in the face. So annoying. The first time I heard this it came fromBrandon Beane. So I guess he need a punch in the face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 McShay didn't say what the OP typed. He said "he believes" the Giants are gonna get some pretty sweet offers from Arizona or Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Color me contrarian.......I don't want to give up all those high early picks for the #2 to get a QB that maybe, maybe might be a top 10 NFL QB. Bills have to many old and slow guys on the roster and need to get new talent now, or, a QB won't matter at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 If the giants are smart, they will hold out on making a trade as long as possible. As a fan I hope they make a trade soon, but I have a feeling it may go all the way to draft night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: Color me contrarian.......I don't want to give up all those high early picks for the #2 to get a QB that maybe, maybe might be a top 10 NFL QB. Bills have to many old and slow guys on the roster and need to get new talent now, or, a QB won't matter at all. I cant ever picture a situation where the 'qb wont matter at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Whoever coined the phrase draft capital needs punched in the face. So annoying. It just sounds more important than draft ammo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Offers? So we gave them more than one offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulmac Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm all in on trading our 2 1st round picks and #65 that we got from Cleveland on the Taylor trade but that's it ...this roster has enough holes in it that we need this draft to address the shortcomings in our Dline,LBs etc....What good is it to have a rookie QB sitting on the pine in 2018 and not have the ability to win games now? Like the Springsteen song 1 step up and 2 steps back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Offers? So we gave them more than one offer? Well McShay never said they got offers. He said he believes the Bills and Arizona will make sweet offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. I think the tricky balance for Buffalo is how far the Giants trade back. If we could get up to #7 pre-draft I think it would make convincing the Giants to do the trade an absolute slam dunk... the problem is if they go to #7 that does tip their hat to any trade up rivals. Seattle is the worst, Tampa's is dreadful too. The Giants are in there with those two teams though. Don't forget Arizona's line. It is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, OJABBA said: Yeah, there is no reason for them to keep the pick unless they are going to select a QB with it. The pick is too valuable to keep for anything else. The Giants are a well run organization, and will either trade it or pick a QB. They aren't the Jets. They could get 2 top Oline prospects by trading that pick, at least. And more.... PS. the Bills would give them ANY lineman they want on the roster, plus picks. I disagree I think Dawkins is untouchable after losing GLenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Don't forget Arizona's line. It is awful. Yea that's true, though they were down their best lineman most of the year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, mead107 said: I find it hard to believe. I hope they don’t give away the farm. This particular rumor may be tough to believe but it's no secret that Beane is making calls. Good thing is we have 1.5 farms this year so if we give away a farm, we will still have half left. Edited March 22, 2018 by Fan in Chicago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Virgil said: Can this just happen or not already?! Seriously. My pitchfork is sharpened, I just got a new wick installed on my torch. Awaiting word from the angry mob on what to do about McBeanmott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Virgil said: Can this just happen or not already?! No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 From some tweets/speculation, I've read that Buffalo's offer to move to #2 is #12, #22, #53, #65 and 2019's 2nd round pick. That would leave them with #2 overall, and one pick in the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, blacklabel said: From some tweets/speculation, I've read that Buffalo's offer to move to #2 is #12, #22, #53, #65 and 2019's 2nd round pick. That would leave them with #2 overall, and one pick in the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th rounds. If that was to get it done then I do it without pause for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. I think the tricky balance for Buffalo is how far the Giants trade back. If we could get up to #7 pre-draft I think it would make convincing the Giants to do the trade an absolute slam dunk... the problem is if they go to #7 that does tip their hat to any trade up rivals. Seattle is the worst, Tampa's is dreadful too. The Giants are in there with those two teams though. Even if the Bills stay at the #12 spot and work a deal with the Giants in which they get multiple picks the Giants can still upgrade their OL and add a very good back that isn't named Barkley. The issue as I see it is whether the Giants want to draft a qb with the second pick. If that's what they want then they should stay in their current position. If they want to bolster their roster, including the OL, then making a hard squeezed deal with the Bills makes a lot of sense for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, CuddyDark said: McShay didn't say what the OP typed. He said "he believes" the Giants are gonna get some pretty sweet offers from Arizona or Buffalo. Thanks for noticing that, I edited the post and gave you a thumbs up for it. I made the post shortly after I heard it and went off of memory, thanks for correcting this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Giants have traded JPP to the Bucs for a 3rd round pick. that might mean they are staying at 2 and grabbing Chubb or trading out and grabbing Davenport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: Giants have traded JPP to the Bucs for a 3rd round pick. that might mean they are staying at 2 and grabbing Chubb or trading out and grabbing Davenport They also unloaded a big contract. Sweet Offers could also imply players - See Hughes, Jerry; Lawson, Shaq or even CutonaDime25 (doubtful) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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