26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1) Sam Darnold, USC 2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 3) Josh Rosen, UCLA 4) Jared Goff, Cal 5) Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma 6) Josh Allen, Wyoming 7) Deshaun Watson, Clemson 8) Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina 9) DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 10) Paxton Lynch, Memphis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Nonsense, if you read the forums then you know that none of these QB's this year are worth trading up for. We have a lot of draft experts that have high level business meetings so I respect their opinions 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Nonsense, if you read the forums then you know that none of these QB's this year are worth trading up for. We have a lot of draft experts that have high level business meetings so I respect their opinions There are several good QB prospects which means there's no good QB prospects. Edited March 19, 2018 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Wow, interesting to see Watson below Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: There are several good QB prospects which means there's no goo QB prospects. Oh ok. It would probably be better to wait for a year where there is only 1 good prospect because then you know they are worth trading up for. Makes sense now thanks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 "based on draft grade" Well...I see whoever put this together did a lot of work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, baskin said: "based on draft grade" Well...I see whoever put this together did a lot of work It's Daniel Jeremiah; he's a former NFL personnel man and does a TON of work for the draft year-round. He's also had offers from teams to fill front office roles; you may want to re-assess your view of his work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Lmao, he didn’t even put Mahomes on there, but Paxton Lynch is on there? I’m not the biggest fan of either but Lynch is not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 That may be...but he did ZERO work to put this list together....FFS...anyone could have.... Just now, thebandit27 said: It's Daniel Jeremiah; he's a former NFL personnel man and does a TON of work for the draft year-round. He's also had offers from teams to fill front office roles; you may want to re-assess your view of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1) Sam Darnold, USC 2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 3) Josh Rosen, UCLA 4) Jared Goff, Cal 5) Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma 6) Josh Allen, Wyoming 7) Deshaun Watson, Clemson 8) Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina 9) DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 10) Paxton Lynch, Memphis 18 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Nonsense, if you read the forums then you know that none of these QB's this year are worth trading up for. We have a lot of draft experts that have high level business meetings so I respect their opinions Obviously we know better. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, baskin said: That may be...but he did ZERO work to put this list together....FFS...anyone could have.... I thought it was quite obvious that he was basing the ranking on his pre-draft grade of each player...a grade that he puts together from hours and hours of scouting work. Edited March 19, 2018 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Watson would be my 4th on the list. I really wanted him last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I thought it was quite obvious that he was basing the ranking on his pre-draft grade of each player...a grade that he puts together from hours and hours of scouting work. Well then...what good is this list? Ryan Leaf was highly rated too....Why not publish a complete list of his pre draft evaluations compared to real NFL success to see how serious we should take his rehashed list? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Combining this list with the one that he wrote dating back to 2011, we can piece his top 10 from 2011-2018 together (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647484/article/top-10-quarterback-draft-prospects-since-2011): Andrew Luck Cam Newton Robert Griffin III Jameis Winston Teddy Bridgewater Marcus Mariota Sam Darnold Carson Wentz Josh Rosen Jared Goff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, baskin said: Well then...what good is this list? Ryan Leaf was highly rated too....Why not publish a complete list of his pre draft evaluations compared to real NFL success to see how serious we should take his rehashed list? Some folks might want to know how an NFL talent evaluator might stack the 2018 crop of QBs against previous classes. It appears that you've found a way to be outraged about it. Well done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Lmao, he didn’t even put Mahomes on there, but Paxton Lynch is on there? I’m not the biggest fan of either but Lynch is not good. That makes him more credible IMO. If he would have just pretended to like everyone good and hate everyone bad (like we do here) it wouldn’t be right. I appreciate that he had some misses. DJ is good (and knows QBs). He was a QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 One person's opinion. Click bait, more clicks, more money in his pocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: One person's opinion. Click bait, more clicks, more money in his pocket. It's the opinion of someone who has evaluated draft prospects for a living at the NFL level for many years. His opinions are widely respected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 49 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Nonsense, if you read the forums then you know that none of these QB's this year are worth trading up for. We have a lot of draft experts that have high level business meetings so I respect their opinions WTF where is Jackson & Rudolph - these are all busts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That makes him more credible IMO. If he would have just pretended to like everyone good and hate everyone bad (like we do here) it wouldn’t be right. I appreciate that he had some misses. DJ is good (and knows QBs). He was a QB. He's also one of my favorite people in the business--an absolute class act with a great sense of humor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MJS said: Wow, interesting to see Watson below Allen. yeah. that is bizarre to me. Jeremiah must think that Allen has "Cam Newton" skills or whatever the current narrative is. Watson won a freaking National Championship, and was a main reason Clemson won. But if based on initial draft grade, it shows how those can be skewed. 49 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Combining this list with the one that he wrote dating back to 2011, we can piece his top 10 from 2011-2018 together (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647484/article/top-10-quarterback-draft-prospects-since-2011): Andrew Luck Cam Newton Robert Griffin III Jameis Winston Teddy Bridgewater Marcus Mariota Sam Darnold Carson Wentz Josh Rosen Jared Goff interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just go get Rosen GO get Rosen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Christ, I must be watching the wrong Sam Darnold highlights. I just don’t see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I’m encouraged to see Mayfield and Allen ranked so highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He's also one of my favorite people in the business--an absolute class act with a great sense of humor. He's probably the one national media draft guy that I'd like to spend a day watching film with. Maybe with Charles Davis in the background providing narration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: There are several good QB prospects which means there's no good QB prospects. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MJS said: Wow, interesting to see Watson below Allen. It's Allen's "cannon" arm that gives him a higher ranking. Not the win/loss difference or the fact that Watson won the National Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, baskin said: That may be...but he did ZERO work to put this list together....FFS...anyone could have.... Have you got a screw loose or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1. Carson Wentz 2. Patrick Mahomes 3. Josh Rosen 4. Sam Darnold 5. Jared Goff 6. Mitch Trubisky 7. Baker Mayfield 8. DeShaun Watson 9. Josh Allen 10. DeShone Kizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1) Sam Darnold, USC 2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 3) Josh Rosen, UCLA 4) Jared Goff, Cal 5) Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma 6) Josh Allen, Wyoming 7) Deshaun Watson, Clemson 8) Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina 9) DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 10) Paxton Lynch, Memphis I don't think Darnold is better then Wentz or Watson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Lmao, he didn’t even put Mahomes on there, but Paxton Lynch is on there? I’m not the biggest fan of either but Lynch is not good. This list was based on his grade of the QB's at the time of each draft. So he gave Lynch a higher grade than Mahomes. Where is the issue? I can see a case made where both were close in grade at the time of the draft. Edited March 19, 2018 by LabattBlue 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: I don't think Darnold is better then Wentz or Watson Is this how he had them graded before seeing them in the NFL? Wentz was tricky because of where he played....hard to tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'll admit, last year I had no idea Watson was going to be so good, I liked Mahomes the most and I'm embarrassed to admit it but I really liked Mitchell Trubisky as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: This list was based on his grade of the QB's at the time of each draft. So he gave Lynch a higher grade than Mahomes. Where is the issue? I can see a case made where both were close in grade at the time of the draft. You answered my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Most productive QB since 2016 draft? A guy not on the three year list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: I'll admit, last year I had no idea Watson was going to be so good, I liked Mahomes the most and I'm embarrassed to admit it but I really liked Mitchell Trubisky as well. This is such a genuine post! I was all end on Watson last year... it's something about going to back to back National Title games facing the only team in college that resembles an NFL team. Watson was the real deal 3 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Most productive QB since 2016 draft? A guy not on the three year list. Hmmmm ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: Nonsense, if you read the forums then you know that none of these QB's this year are worth trading up for. We have a lot of draft experts that have high level business meetings so I respect their opinions Prospects is the operative word. No one knows how they are going to perform in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, MJS said: Wow, interesting to see Watson below Allen. This shouldn't be very surprising. Watson was generally pegged around the 15-30 range on big boards last year; Allen is generally in the top 5-10 on big boards this year. Media scouts didn't like last year's QB class very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said: One person's opinion. Click bait, more clicks, more money in his pocket. God forbid someone makes money for their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Christ, I must be watching the wrong Sam Darnold highlights. I just don’t see it. The biggest things these draft type guys use to measure QB's is progression, year over year. They want to see them correct mistakes, see a defense and make the correct throw that one expects from a pre snap read. Accuracy, speed, are all tangible assets, but QB scouts look to answer one big huge question after the familiar measurable check off; can this kid learn, has he proven that he can. This, is, IMO, the biggest thing teams and scouts look for in college QB prospects. When all else is equal, it's the intangibles; things like what do they do on their free time, any history of this and that.. etc.. Guys, that haven't done well, Lynch, as an example, may check all the boxes, even the learning part, but simply got drafted by the wrong team into the wrong system. It's not a science, but it is science-light. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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