Tyrod named starting QB of Browns

[nucci]

There's always competition and it's only March

[sven233]

With them naming Taylor the starting QB next season, Josh Allen is the perfect QB for them to draft......

 

Please Cleveland, I beg of you......please draft Josh Allen.  Look, I will admit there is some chance he is good someday, but there is a bigger chance he isn't.  Let him sit and learn and then, if he ever turns into anything of value, then play him. 

 

But, please, Cleveland.....draft Josh Allen.  I want him nowhere near the Buffalo Bills.

Edited March 15, 2018 by sven233

[26CornerBlitz]

 

I get the mentality, but......

[Cash]

I'm also surprised by this.  I figured Tyrod would start at least the first 12 games or so, and probably all year, but usually there's at least a pretense.  Or at least, they'd wait till after the draft, then name Tyrod the starter while specifically saying how they won't throw Rookie X to the wolves or whatever.

 

22 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

It's all fun and games until they are down by 7 with 5 min to go and they have 2 drives in a row where they can't even get a 1st down.

 

Eh, I think that's still a big upgrade over last year, where being within 7 only happened in the first 5 minutes of the game.

 

17 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

Agreed

 

This is where some coaches fall short.  While I can't blame Hue Jackson for finally being happy to have a competent QB, to make a statement that there IS no competition this early sends the wrong message.

 

While McDermott, no matter the player, makes it clear that they have to come in and compete for their job.

 

That's what they call creating a culture.  Jackson is creating a poor one, and why he has taken the  hit for the 1-31 record despite the talent issues the team has had.

 

 

 

I agree with this.  I totally understand the reasons Tyrod would start, but I think the better move is to at least give lip service to the idea that everyone has to compete for their job.

 

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

With them naming Taylor the starting QB next season, Josh Allen is the perfect QB for them to draft......

 

Please Cleveland, I beg of you......please draft Josh Allen.  Look, I will admit there is some chance he is good someday, but there is a bigger chance he isn't.  Let him sit and learn and then, if he ever turns into anything of value, then play him. 

 

But, please, Cleveland.....draft Josh Allen.  I want him nowhere near the Buffalo Bills.

 

I agree with this as well.  I would think that if Cleveland really wants Allen, they could take Barkley 1st overall, then get Allen at 4, right?  Man, I'll feel bad for their fans if they just take Allen 1st overall.  Brutal.  Maybe he'll be the exception, but I doubt it.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Cash

[Foxx]

22 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

It's all fun and games until they are down by 7 with 5 min to go and they have 2 drives in a row where they can't even get a 1st down.

that will only be because all his receivers are blanketed.

they won't be open by 5 or 6 yards.....

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

With them naming Taylor the starting QB next season, Josh Allen is the perfect QB for them to draft......

 

Please Cleveland, I beg of you......please draft Josh Allen.  Look, I will admit there is some chance he is good someday, but there is a bigger chance he isn't.  Let him sit and learn and then, if he ever turns into anything of value, then play him. 

 

But, please, Cleveland.....draft Josh Allen.  I want him nowhere near the Buffalo Bills.

The funny part is Allen to the Browns ends any chance of him being good. Ha ha

 

The Browns should draft the safest guy they can. Nope, they will take the riskiest and count on the Browns culture to develop him.

[JohnC]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

All that Jackson said is “we aren’t drafting Rosen or Mayfield.” Those other guys need some time.

If Cleveland would have had a qb such as Tyrod or even McCarron last year they would have won maybe four to six games. When basic qb competency is a major leap forward that tells you how bad they were at the position. 

 

My guess is that the Browns are going to use their first pick on Darnold and their next pick for either Fitzpatrick or Chubb, if he is there. If the Browns manage their assets (picks and cap space) wisely they can dramatically improve and give their brutalized fan base some hope. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If Cleveland would have had a qb such as Tyrod or even McCarron last year they would have won maybe four to six games. When basic qb competency is a major leap forward that tells you how bad they were at the position. 

 

My guess is that the Browns are going to use their first pick on Darnold and their next pick for either Fitzpatrick or Chubb, if he is there. If the Browns manage their assets (picks and cap space) wisely they can dramatically improve and give their brutalized fan base some hope. 

Probably all true, good take John!!

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Hue might believe that he is dead man walking if he doesn't improve dramatically in year one. So maybe he strays from the top three and trades down, then picks up more players that can help him this year. Dumb for the team in the long run but self-preservation.

Hue really has no say in what they do anymore. Dorsey probably told him to say this to throw a smokescreen on the qb at 1 idea. But I definitely believe it to the plan to not start their rookie QB because they just need to win some games. 

[Teddy KGB]

No wonder the guy is 1-31 ???

[Gugny]

Blows me away that this cat has never had to compete for a starting job in his career.

 

Never got a chance in Baltimore.

Went through the motions to get to a pre-determined outcome in Buffalo.

Not even a fake competition in Cleveland.

 

Crazy stuff.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

The best part is Hue handles press conferences with an arrogance matched by neither man nor beast ever.

 

 

 

Even St. Doug?

 

[K-9]

34 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

It's all fun and games until they are down by 7 with 5 min to go and they have 2 drives in a row where they can't even get a 1st down.

Yep. It’s also all fun and games until his wideouts start getting frustrated with his reluctance to throw the ball. I can’t see Haley using a lot of timing concepts as a result. 

[berg1029]

Tyrod is such a class act, I really hope they get some wins with him (so long as they're not playing the Bills).  It's hard not to root for the guy.  I want to dislike him so much b/c he is a pretty bad QB, but I just can't bring myself to do it.

[Coach Tuesday]

Which rookie QBs has Todd Haley developed?

 

It wouldn't be the *worst* idea for Cleveland to take Barkely at 1, Minkah at 4, and Lamar Jackson at the top of Round 2... they probably won't do it, because passing on QBs has cost them over and over again during the past decade, but still...

[Punching Bag]

36 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

It's all fun and games until they are down by 7 with 5 min to go and they have 2 drives in a row where they can't even get a 1st down.

 

How many the constant Tyrod bashers will get accounts on Browns message boards and spend as much time bashing him as they do here even when he is NOT our QB.

[ProcessTheTrust]

Makes sense. Draft Barkley#1, QB #4, and run the offense that works for Tyrod from the start with what should be the best running game day 1. If it fails or Tyrod gets hurt, move on to the real franchise guy...and you still have Barkley!!!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s only because Darnold and Allen aren’t ready to play. They will still take one of them at 1.

Makes me wonder if Allen isn't their guy with how definitive Hue was.

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Blows me away that this cat has never had to compete for a starting job in his career.

 

Never got a chance in Baltimore.

Went through the motions to get to a pre-determined outcome in Buffalo.

Not even a fake competition in Cleveland.

 

Crazy stuff.

You think he was the favourite to win the job in Buffalo?

 

I personally think he earned it over EJ. It helped with Kobb getting hurt in pre season as well.

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

You think he was the favourite to win the job in Buffalo?

 

I personally think he earned it over EJ. It helped with Kobb getting hurt in pre season as well.

 

I hate going down this road, but goddammit, you sucked me in.

 

EJ outperformed Taylor in both practice and preseason by leaps and bounds.

 

Rex wanted "his guy," and he got him.

 

Both EJ and Tyrod sucked.  And yes ... Tyrod turned out to be the better QB (that hurt to write).  But he never earned, nor did he compete for, the starting job.

[CLTbills]

Happy for Tyrod. 

 

Also happy he's the starter of their team, not ours.

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Makes me wonder if Allen isn't their guy with how definitive Hue was.

Definitely would not surprise me 

[paulbills]

I was on the front lines protesting for his departure yet I was still a believer that Tyrod would start for another team the moment we all figured he was done with us, I remember all the nay sayers and how he would never start again, good for him. 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not gonna lie, it was a little weird watching Tyrod give a press conference as the starting QB for the Cleveland Browns... 

[Royale with Cheese]

Tyrod should make an even bolder statement.  Something like that the Browns shouldn’t draft a QB in the first because they’ll never play with me here. 

 

Then drops the mike and walk out of the press conference.

[BillsFan130]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I hate going down this road, but goddammit, you sucked me in.

 

EJ outperformed Taylor in both practice and preseason by leaps and bounds.

 

Rex wanted "his guy," and he got him.

 

Both EJ and Tyrod sucked.  And yes ... Tyrod turned out to be the better QB (that hurt to write).  But he never earned, nor did he compete for, the starting job.

I’ll take your word for it as I don’t 100 percent remember the training camp. I do remember Tyrod playing fairly well in the pre season games, that’s about it

Edited March 15, 2018 by billsfan11

[JerseyBills]

I'll get flamed for this but if they have a scheme that showcases his strengths,read options,. Single read routes, that's not going to be a walk in the park.

He has a winning record with sub par WR and thrived under Roman/Lynn, the defense was just atrocious. I know he's an awful passer and not a fit here but he can definitely be a dangerous QB . Especially if they have a good running game. Landry will be the best WR he has played with. 

 

At the least, I'm intrigued what Hue has planned for Tyrod and can definitely see it equating to success,

[frostbitmic]

1 hour ago, kdiggz said:

It's all fun and games until they are down by 7 with 5 min to go and they have 2 drives in a row where they can't even get a 1st down.

Then they just give the ball to Barkley.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I’ll take your word for it as I don’t 100 percent remember the training camp. I do remember Tyrod playing fairly well in the pre season games, that’s about it

@Gugny doesn’t remember it either. EJ was the titanic and Gug was the band playing as the ship went down. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

@Gugny doesn’t remember it either. EJ was the titanic and Gug was the band playing as the ship went down. 

I remember going to that camp and it was without a doubt a tough competition between EJ and TT. In no way was it given to Tyrod.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s only because Darnold and Allen aren’t ready to play. They will still take one of them at 1.

 

Browns have apparently said Tyrod is their QB, and they believe in him.  I wouldn't be so quick anymore to assume the Browns will use either of the #1 or #4 on a QB. They could trade down still or forego taking a QB in the first (which would be stupid IMO if they dont take a QB and would riot if I was a Browns QB).

 

I am NOT saying they should do that, I would ABSOLUTELY draft a QB in the top 4 if I am the Browns still.  But these are the Browns, this would be a very Browns thing to do.  Hell I would revolt if I was a Browns fan and they didnt take a QB in the top 4.  

 

Take Barkley #1 then a QB at #4...thats the plan they should do IMO.  

[BuffAlone]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s only because Darnold and Allen aren’t ready to play. They will still take one of them at 1.

Or 4

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Blows me away that this cat has never had to compete for a starting job in his career.

 

Never got a chance in Baltimore.

Went through the motions to get to a pre-determined outcome in Buffalo.

Not even a fake competition in Cleveland.

 

Crazy stuff.

I agree.   Some people thought it was a competition but imo Rex wanted TieRod and that was that.  

 

McDermott took the gamble to stick with the incumbent while he worked on setting a foundation.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I hate going down this road, but goddammit, you sucked me in.

 

EJ outperformed Taylor in both practice and preseason by leaps and bounds.

 

Rex wanted "his guy," and he got him.

 

Both EJ and Tyrod sucked.  And yes ... Tyrod turned out to be the better QB (that hurt to write).  But he never earned, nor did he compete for, the starting job.

Agreed 

25 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I remember going to that camp and it was without a doubt a tough competition between EJ and TT. In no way was it given to Tyrod.

Rex gave TT the ones and EJ the threes.   

What is it with the people who love TT  hate all his “competition”? 

 

 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Browns have apparently said Tyrod is their QB, and they believe in him.  I wouldn't be so quick anymore to assume the Browns will use either of the #1 or #4 on a QB. They could trade down still or forego taking a QB in the first (which would be stupid IMO if they dont take a QB and would riot if I was a Browns QB).

 

I am NOT saying they should do that, I would ABSOLUTELY draft a QB in the top 4 if I am the Browns still.  But these are the Browns, this would be a very Browns thing to do.  Hell I would revolt if I was a Browns fan and they didnt take a QB in the top 4.  

 

Take Barkley #1 then a QB at #4...thats the plan they should do IMO.  

The Browns would be making a mistake if they don't take their highest rated qb with their first pick. My bet is on Darnold. If they stay at four they should then take either Fitzpatrick or Chubb, if available. The Browns just signed Hyde from free agency. So I don't think that they would sign Barkley. I recognize that Barkley may be one of the highest rated player in this draft but the Browns need to build a roster and not just accumulate players. If they want to get another back then they can get a very good one at the top of the second round. 

 

The Browns have a lot of high draft picks and a gargantuan cap space. They need to be wise about using their assets and start thinking more about fitting the pieces together than with accumulating players for the sake of accumulating players. 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

They would be fools not to go into 2018 with Tyrod as their starter, no matter who they draft. People need to look at where the Browns are as a team. Taylor was an instant upgrade and difference maker for them. They went 1-31 over the last two years. He makes that better. Even if the rest of the team is a dumpster fire, he will do better. However if a rookie is thrown into the dumpster fire, they may never develop. In fact, I think the only mistake the Browns made here was "overpaying" the Bills, but it may have been what they had to do to get this done. And great job by Beane.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I agree.   Some people thought it was a competition but imo Rex wanted TieRod and that was that.  

 

McDermott took the gamble to stick with the incumbent while he worked on setting a foundation.  

 

 

Agreed 

Rex gave TT the ones and EJ the threes.   

What is it with the people who love TT  hate all his “competition”? 

 

 

What are you talking about? I observed a competition with my eyes and I have nothing against EJ. I was a supporter at first and then he sucked. Jesus

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I hate going down this road, but goddammit, you sucked me in.

 

EJ outperformed Taylor in both practice and preseason by leaps and bounds.

 

Rex wanted "his guy," and he got him.

 

Both EJ and Tyrod sucked.  And yes ... Tyrod turned out to be the better QB (that hurt to write).  But he never earned, nor did he compete for, the starting job.

There isn't a harsher critic of Tyrod than I am. However, your recollection of that EJ/TT time period is flawed. Whether there was a fair competition or a predetermined outcome it didn't matter because one of the quarterbacks simply couldn't play. It was evident prior to training camp when the staff witnessed close up how incapable he was during the scheduled practice sessions. Tyrod wasn't simply better than EJ---he was immensely better than EJ. As an unabashed Tyrod critic I will go so far as to say that this downtrodden and stupid organization was very fortunate that they were able to get Tyrod when it did. The EJ option was not only untenable but a disaster in the making. 

[Bill_with_it]

2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

This has got to affect draft plans for everyone. #4 is looking pretty good!

 

Did anyone not believe thst he wouldnt be named starter immediately. He’s infinitely better than any qb on that team.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Yep. It’s also all fun and games until his wideouts start getting frustrated with his reluctance to throw the ball. I can’t see Haley using a lot of timing concepts as a result. 

Taylor has two Diva WR's on that team that will demand targets. If he has multiple games of 14 for 22 182 and a TD get your popcorn ready.

[BringBackOrton]

18 minutes ago, JohnC said:

There isn't a harsher critic of Tyrod than I am. However, your recollection of that EJ/TT time period is flawed. Whether there was a fair competition or a predetermined outcome it didn't matter because one of the quarterbacks simply couldn't play. It was evident prior to training camp when the staff witnessed close up how incapable he was during the scheduled practice sessions. Tyrod wasn't simply better than EJ---he was immensely better than EJ. As an unabashed Tyrod critic I will go so far as to say that this downtrodden and stupid organization was very fortunate that they were able to get Tyrod when it did. The EJ option was not only untenable but a disaster in the making. 

Actually, if EJ plays all 16 games in 2015, it's likely we select Jared Goff or Carson Wentz in the top 2.