Numark3 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mikie's Bills said: but McBeane seems to be prioritizing their familiarity with former players (Tolbert/ Benjamin/ Star) over possibly more talented options out there (or even ones that were already on the roster when they took over in some cases). The worst myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mikie's Bills said: He's an average player that fills a need, hope they didn't overpay. People like to complain about Whaley but he brought in talent (whether or not the coaching staff could utilize it was another story), but McBeane seems to be prioritizing their familiarity with former players (Tolbert/ Benjamin/ Star) over possibly more talented options out there (or even ones that were already on the roster when they took over in some cases). Will be interesting to see how it turns out. What they do with the QB position (as with most regimes) will determine their fate. That seems to be the theme around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Crayola64 said: The worst myth Guess he forgot about Whaley bringing in bum ex Jets like IK and Leonhard. The Tolbert signing was inexcusable but I haven't seen a good arguement as to why Star and KB can't be pieces on a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Unfortunately he gives 0 pass rush but also terrible against the run so I don't really care for this but he comes at a position of need, hopefully he gets better at anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Well you know ItTakesTime for information to come out sometimes. i see what you did there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Unfortunately he gives 0 pass rush but also terrible against the run so I don't really care for this but he comes at a position of need, hopefully he gets better at anything? What is this based off of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 What’s the over/under on the number of people who have actually watched him enough to even give a basic fan-level opinion? Two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 What do we do to fix our pass rush this year? Does this help it? It was severely lacking last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Spotrac.com, which uses a comparison formula to other similar players across the league based on position, performance and age, has calculated the offseason market value of Lotulelei as follows: Four years, $24.15 million for an average annual salary of $6.037 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Love this signing... Got a good player, and filled a need. Also continues the track of giving us lots of freedom to take BPA in the draft... After the QB of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: What’s the over/under on the number of people who have actually watched him enough to even give a basic fan-level opinion? Two? Push 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Putting in my official contract guess: 5 years, 55 million (11m AAV), 29m guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: What is this based off of? I looked everywhere to find out if he's at least good against the run since he offers very little to get excited about puss rush-wise (4 sacks was his highest total so far). he averages 25 tackles a season, how is that "run stuffing"? and PFF ranks him as a 46.9........... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-defensive-front-sevens-this-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Spotrac.com, which uses a comparison formula to other similar players across the league based on position, performance and age, has calculated the offseason market value of Lotulelei as follows: Four years, $24.15 million for an average annual salary of $6.037 million Spotrac had Watkins at 6M AAV. These early signings are all player friendly with Albert Wilson being the exception. Anything under 9million AAV and it's champagne glasses and some toast for the Brits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Commonsense said: Spotrac had Watkins at 6M AAV. These early signings are all player friendly with Albert Wilson being the exception. Anything under 9million AAV and it's champagne glasses and some toast for the Brits. .....LMAO....not even in the right zip code.....maybe they thought 48 mil was for EIGHT years....SMH......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Guess he forgot about Whaley bringing in bum ex Jets like IK and Leonhard. The Tolbert signing was inexcusable but I haven't seen a good arguement as to why Star and KB can't be pieces on a winning team. You're kinda making my point for me though. Whaley came from Pittsburgh, not the Jets. Rex had too much pull in player personnel decisions while he was here, bringing in his below average former players. Took the 4th best defense and flushed it down the drain. Don't even get me started on the wasted draft picks used on 3-4 players trying to fit Rex's scheme when we were the perfect 4-3 defense. If Whaley was the one that wanted to hire Rex I'd give him more of the blame, but by all accounts he was the owner's hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I looked everywhere to find out if he's at least good against the run since he offers very little to get excited about puss rush-wise (4 sacks was his highest total so far). he averages 25 tackles a season, how is that "run stuffing"? and PFF ranks him as a 46.9........... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-defensive-front-sevens-this-season When you eat up blockers it's usually the linebackers who get the ball carrier. Stuffing the run for a DT is a lot more about holding the point of attack and freeing up your linebackers to make tackles then actually making tackles yourself. It looks like to me people are pulling a stat from PFF and using that as the only determination of how good Lotulelei is. For me, Beane and McDermotte have my full faith and if they think Lotulelei is what they need, then I am all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Meh, uninspiring. But I’m still in a high from ya moving up so who cares!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I looked everywhere to find out if he's at least good against the run since he offers very little to get excited about puss rush-wise (4 sacks was his highest total so far). he averages 25 tackles a season, how is that "run stuffing"? and PFF ranks him as a 46.9........... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-defensive-front-sevens-this-season Oh so you haven’t watched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Mikie's Bills said: You're kinda making my point for me though. Whaley came from Pittsburgh, not the Jets. Rex had too much pull in player personnel decisions while he was here, bringing in his below average former players. Took the 4th best defense and flushed it down the drain. Don't even get me started on the wasted draft picks used on 3-4 players trying to fit Rex's scheme when we were the perfect 4-3 defense. If Whaley was the one that wanted to hire Rex I'd give him more of the blame, but by all accounts he was the owner's hire. If you can't see that hat the new coach and GM are light years ahead of BOTH the old coach and GM then I can't help you. forward thinking team building culture cap implications Hope like heck these guys pick the right QB because they can function as a pair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Get Kuechly in here STAT! He's getting old and broken down Raquan Smith on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: No way!!! Edited March 13, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: When you eat up blockers it's usually the linebackers who get the ball carrier. Stuffing the run for a DT is a lot more about holding the point of attack and freeing up your linebackers to make tackles then actually making tackles yourself. It looks like to me people are pulling a stat from PFF and using that as the only determination of how good Lotulelei is. For me, Beane and McDermotte have my full faith and if they think Lotulelei is what they need, then I am all for it. I know what a run stuffer is and does, I played football since I was young to my college years. I'm just stating that he isn't even graded well against thew run, if you find somewhere that he's a good run stuffing DT than post it for all to see but you won't, nowhere on here does it state he is good and holding the point of attack. 8 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Oh so you haven’t watched him. Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Oh so you haven’t watched him. Wait, what??? We’re supposed to have first hand knowledge to vomit our opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Given that McDermott coached him as DC for years in Carolina, and that Beane was at Carolina that whole time as well, I trust their ability to gauge his value to the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I know what a run stuffer is and does, I played football since I was young to my college years. I'm just stating that he isn't even graded well against thew run, if you find somewhere that he's a good run stuffing DT than post it for all to see but you won't, nowhere on here does it state he is good and holding the point of attack. Then why did you make such and emphasis on his number of tackles? Who grades are you using, PFF? So are they the universal source on determining a player's value now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Edited March 13, 2018 by JohnBonhamRocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Guy on the internet has googled around a bit looking for evidence of a player's stoutness against the run. Assumes he knows better than people that have spent years working directly with the player, and a staff of people that devote their entire professional lives to evaluating NFL players. Adds up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Unfortunately he gives 0 pass rush but also terrible against the run so I don't really care for this but he comes at a position of need, hopefully he gets better at anything? Who is saying he's terrible against the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Then why did you make such and emphasis on his number of tackles? Who grades are you using, PFF? So are they the universal source on determining a player's value now? Yes they give you an idea of what you're getting in a player. Again you have provided no new information so I'm going to suggest you havent found any new info to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Really hope it’s not more than 15-20 mil gtd.......wishful hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'm surprised by this move after learning from this board how much Beane seems to dislike devout Jews on his team, why would he go after one of the island folk? This seems so out of character /sarcasm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The fact that the figures haven't been released leads me to believe the deal will most likely favor the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 But he doesn’t have lots of sacks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 It's about familiarity and reliability. They know this guy. Secondly, Star doesn't make a lot of headlines but he does the dirty work. Not a very exciting signing but should be one that makes it more difficult for people to run up the middle on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This guy is going to be a beast for us. This takes me back to all of the posts questioning the move for Jordan Poyer. Some people wanted to re-sign Corey Graham so Poyer could be the #3 safety and special teams player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Love the signing maybe a bit to long. We should get 3 good years out of him. Now let's draft a quality DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Kyle Williams re-ups for 1 year. How terrible is this signing based on ProFootballFocus? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Rubes said: But he doesn’t have lots of sacks! That's not his game. He's still rated as one of the better run stopping DT's in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I love this move. #moreprocess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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