fridge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, dma0034 said: I've read somewhere it was 5 years for 50 million but don't quote me. I'm excited about the pickup, but it's pretty crazy that a guy with 6 tackles gets a $50 million contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, fridge said: I'm excited about the pickup, but it's pretty crazy that a guy with 6 tackles gets a $50 million contract. True, but that same thinking would prevent acquiring a talented offensive lineman because he doesn't score a lot of touchdowns haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, fridge said: I'm excited about the pickup, but it's pretty crazy that a guy with 6 tackles gets a $50 million contract. His job is to command a double team so the linebackers run free to the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, fridge said: I'm excited about the pickup, but it's pretty crazy that a guy with 6 tackles gets a $50 million contract. He isnt going to get 10M a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He isnt going to get 10M a year I think he probably will. He's the same type of player as Damon Harrison who the Giants signed for 5 years, $45 mil last year, and the cap just went up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: With a $100 million dollar contract, Dareus is supposed to be living in the backfield and not just be a space eater. Again, you're ignoring the point. That's not what DT's do. So I guess you answered it, with Dareus we ignore that point, but with Star, if one points out statistics they just don't understand the nuances of the game and position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Nearly every team in the NFL has hired them. right that makes perfect sense.. try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I think he probably will. He's the same type of player as Damon Harrison who the Giants signed for 5 years, $45 mil last year, and the cap just went up again. The. Agent would have leaked terms by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Again, you're ignoring the point. That's not what DT's do. So I guess you answered it, with Dareus we ignore that point, but with Star, if one points out statistics they just don't understand the nuances of the game and position. The $100 million dollar DT's make that much because they aren't just space eaters, they create havoc and penetrate. Did Aaron Donald win NFL Defensive Player of the Year just taking up space? I'm willing to bet Star didn't get $96 million with $60 million guaranteed like Dareus did. Why? Because Dareus wasn't supposed to be just a space eater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The $100 million dollar DT's make that much because they aren't just space eaters, they create havoc and penetrate. Did Aaron Donald win NFL Defensive Player of the Year just taking up space? I'm willing to bet Star didn't get $96 million with $60 million guaranteed like Dareus did. Why? Because Dareus wasn't supposed to be just a space eater. Was it the cute hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Was it the cute hat? I'm a hat guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm a hat guy. I’ll wear a cute sailor hat for a fat contract! In fact, I might wear one for a Royale with Cheese.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He isnt going to get 10M a year May not get 10, but why sign a 5 year deal if you're getting chump change? He is definitely getting paid more than KW and he got 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, NewDayBills said: May not get 10, but why sign a 5 year deal if you're getting chump change? He is definitely getting paid more than KW and he got 6. Maybe maybe not. Could be 6-7 a year. He doesnt offer what Kyle does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I’ll wear a cute sailor hat for a fat contract! In fact, I might wear one for a Royale with Cheese.... And I will probably look at the photo with no pants on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Maybe maybe not. Could be 6-7 a year. He doesnt offer what Kyle does Maybe, I don't have a crystal ball or anything, I'm just trying to think from his perspective. Why box yourself into a 5 year deal if you're not being compensated well? I'm pretty sure it'll be over 7, I could see 8, but I think you're right that it's probably not 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I still think it will be around $8.5M a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Maybe, I don't have a crystal ball or anything, I'm just trying to think from his perspective. Why box yourself into a 5 year deal if you're not being compensated well? I'm pretty sure it'll be over 7, I could see 8, but I think you're right that it's probably not 10. Because he is older. Playing back with the coach and defense that he had his best seasons with. His market Value is about 8.5M a year. So I am thinking that is the max Edited March 14, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said: Agreed 110% Can they acquire such a jewel this season? And what are they willing to sacrifice? Is that time his year? But yes. The defense McD likes /believes in is coming. Back to front. and maybe soon to fill middle bits. I think draft is where they want to look. Thoughts ? Could bring back Bradham for a start, Avery Williamson, Demario Davis are fa, not sure what they would cost. Roquan in the draft would be the ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Because he is older. Playing back with the coach and defense that he had his best seasons with. 5 million is pretty much the norm for average DTs, the elite ones command around 15. Kyle is on his last leg and he is getting 6. Once again, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't command between 8 and 9. We're signing him to be the centerpiece of our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: And I will probably look at the photo with no pants on. Who do I report this to??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 13 hours ago, TOboy said: Not sure he needs to get back on track, just because he doesn't have great stats. Do we know he wasn't taking on doubles regularly with Carolina? I honestly haven't watched enough game film to assess, but everyone saying he's flopped, have you? DT is a position where you can make significant impact without significant numbers. Given McBeane's history with Star, and the fact they clearly targeted him early, I trust they know and like the player. Panthers fans are glad to see him go. Dareus had made both a significant impact and significant numbers, and we were glad to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Had to be doing something right as the Panthers Defense was only allowing 88.1 rushing yards per a game. We gave up 124.6 RYPG, Help? plz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGBillsFan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) I'm ok with this signing...not stellar but a solid player. Edited March 14, 2018 by LangleyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) I don't think I could be more "meh" about this signing. I mean, it's a needed position being filled, but by a guy who ranked dead last in some metrics last year. Depends on the contract, I guess. Weird we haven't heard anything about that. Edited March 14, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: I don't think I could be more "meh" about this signing. I mean, it's a needed position being filled, but by a guy who ranked dead last in some metrics last year. Depends on the contract, I guess. Weird we haven't anything about that. McD and Beane know him better than anyone, so I will trust their opinion of him being a quality enough player to commit to a 5 year deal. So I like it because our DT situation was bleak before FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Had to be doing something right as the Panthers Defense was only allowing 88.1 rushing yards per a game. We gave up 124.6 RYPG, Help? plz? They had this guy playing next to him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/kawann-short/7825 extended him last year 5yr 80 million. Dominant player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Domdab99 said: I don't think I could be more "meh" about this signing. I mean, it's a needed position being filled, but by a guy who ranked dead last in some metrics last year. Depends on the contract, I guess. Weird we haven't heard anything about that. Which metrics? Truly curious, I have no opinion on the signing until I see the numbers 5 hours ago, Turk71 said: They had this guy playing next to him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/kawann-short/7825 extended him last year 5yr 80 million. Dominant player. My understanding is that Star/Short had pretty defined roles. Even from the 4-3 base we know McDermott runs, Star's role was essentially playing as a nose tackle, shaded to the interior OL. If he did his job, he was clogging up lanes and/or occupying multiple blockers. If he did that, Short was getting a 1-on-1 with another lineman and should have been able to be much more disruptive. And of course, if your "nose" is occupying blockers that keeps your LBs clean to make plays. Without doing any film study on the Bills DL from last year, I would make the assumption that Dareus was playing the Lotulelei role while he was here and that was one reason why he wasn't popping in the stat sheet for the limited snaps he did play. With that being said, I'm not sure that this is a role that you break the bank for. I was livid with this team when they gave Dareus $100 million and then said "alright big man go eat up space" in the Rex defense. Very interested to see what type of contract he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, JM57 said: Which metrics? Truly curious, I have no opinion on the signing until I see the numbers My understanding is that Star/Short had pretty defined roles. Even from the 4-3 base we know McDermott runs, Star's role was essentially playing as a nose tackle, shaded to the interior OL. If he did his job, he was clogging up lanes and/or occupying multiple blockers. If he did that, Short was getting a 1-on-1 with another lineman and should have been able to be much more disruptive. And of course, if your "nose" is occupying blockers that keeps your LBs clean to make plays. Without doing any film study on the Bills DL from last year, I would make the assumption that Dareus was playing the Lotulelei role while he was here and that was one reason why he wasn't popping in the stat sheet for the limited snaps he did play. With that being said, I'm not sure that this is a role that you break the bank for. I was livid with this team when they gave Dareus $100 million and then said "alright big man go eat up space" in the Rex defense. Very interested to see what type of contract he gets. Ask, and ye shall receive: Star Lutululei Kyle's for comparison: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The thing which impresses me a lot about Star is that for a number of seasons in a row he has escaped injury. and been a consistent stater. I think its a pretty reasonable guess that McD, Beane, and Fisher have a role and D scheme in mind that this 28 year old My guess is that he should be a very solid player for years in one of the primary things a D must do which is stop the run. I really like the fact we have brought KW back because he really demanded two players to stop him and his unrelenting motor. With Star seeming to also command a double team the center becomes a difficult place for opponents to run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: Ask, and ye shall receive: Star Lutululei Kyle's for comparison: Looks like the profile of a true space eater to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 23 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: I think we all kinda knew it was coming. Good signing if McD can get him back to where he was early in his career. I am bothered by Beane and McD acquiring all those former Panthers.....where have I seen that before......oh yeh...Wrex collected washed up Jets.......and that came to no good. Why do hese guys continuely bring it guys they know from their former team? Not clear to me that their vision and judgement are clear on these matters. Maybe they are to lazy to look around a little. I don't what the Bills becoming Carolina north........anyhow, this deal smells/feels wrong to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: I am bothered by Beane and McD acquiring all those former Panthers.....where have I seen that before......oh yeh...Wrex collected washed up Jets.......and that came to no good. Why do hese guys continuely bring it guys they know from their former team? Not clear to me that their vision and judgement are clear on these matters. Maybe they are to lazy to look around a little. I don't what the Bills becoming Carolina north........anyhow, this deal smells/feels wrong to me. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Still no Contract Details. Agent holding them tight to his chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, JM57 said: Looks like the profile of a true space eater to me right. which I'm totally fine with as long as he's good at it. I live in "stiller" country and they still talking about missing cacey Hampton and his whopping 25 tackles a year becuz he was an elite space eater and made the defense tick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Maybe a sign and trade and they don't want to tip their hat to anyone??? 26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Still no Contract Details. Agent holding them tight to his chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 23 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: There is a potential super-beast 3T available in David Irving who is a RFA with Dallas that they reportedly may be willing to let go for a second round tender. 7 sacks in half a season last year. 6'7' and 280#. Perfect fit to keep a QB from stepping up in the pocket because of both pass rush and the height/length to force QB's to throw from further back. *Could* trade pick #65 for him in the next couple days and then slap a second round designation on him for less than $3M. Perhaps not a process guy, I don't know......but the physical perfect fit for a team trying to stop Tom Brady....... and Dallas won't be able to afford two $16M+ DL next year........the Bills have no such issue. Well, here you go BADOL: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/14/cowboys-give-david-irving-the-second-round-tender/ Offer them 96. He'd have to sign his tender, but you get him for less than $3M this year and the chance to extend him in short order if his other-worldly production level continues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Why haven't the numbers leaked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Why haven't the numbers leaked? Our suspicion has been that it is less than his agent wanted. Agents like to advertise their successes. If Star took less money to go to a coach who got the most out of him in the past (a bridge contract) it might not be something that his agent wants to brag about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Maybe Carolina fans won’t miss Star. But I bet Luke Kuechly misses him. He’s not a stat sheet. He’s a player. And one the Bills desperately needed. Contract details will will help with final judgment but still seems good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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