#34fan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 What type of shotgun is that? -looks cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I will be very interested to see how quickly (if at all) official NFL channels begin their reporting on this... Seems like the whole thing with him was meant to be swept under the rug and this really paints the NFL in a bad light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 An obvious cry for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I will be very interested to see how quickly (if at all) official NFL channels begin their reporting on this... Seems like the whole thing with him was meant to be swept under the rug and this really paints the NFL in a bad light. The !@#$ this have to do with the NFL? he's been out of the league for 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Thoughts and prayers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 WGR hasnt even mentioned it but it was the top story on our local radio. Yet a bills player is mentioned in the post. Wtf. Too worried about the nhl trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The good news here is no one was physically harmed and he can now hopefully get some help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The !@#$ this have to do with the NFL? he's been out of the league for 3 years Well, on the one hand... This is potentially another CTE/football related mental health issue and those continue to be a sore spot/spot of contention for the NFL. Secondly, if this is a pre-existing mental health issue it points to the fact that this guy worked for the NFL (specifically for the dolphins) for several years and people did not notice/pick up on the issues he was dealing with or else did not pursue getting him needed help. Thirdly, it brings into question how readily the NFL was to listen and discipline other people based on the testimony of an (apparently) deranged person. The Title of this very thread is why it looks bad: "Former NFL Lineman" ..... That is going to be the tagline whether or not it's deserved. Edited February 23, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: Well, on the one hand... This is either another CTE issue and those continue to be a sore spot/spot of contention for the NFL. Secondly, if this is a pre-existing mental health issue it points to the light that this guy worked for the NFL (specifically for the dolphins) for several years and people did not notice/pick up on the issues he was dealing with or else did not pursue getting him needed help. Thirdly, it brings into question how readily the NFL was to listen and discipline other people based on the testimony of an (apparently) deranged person. The Title of this very thread is why it looks bad: "Former NFL Lineman" ..... That is going to be the tagline whether or not it's deserved. It seems pre-existing since this dates back to HS. But it will drag that whole Richie story/Ted Wells investigation back out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Just happy for Ritchie. kinda gives him some needed cred on this issue Edited February 23, 2018 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Well his cry for help was answered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Not to make light of this post but does he even know what he is saying here? The text states: If you're a bully victim and a coward you have 2 choices. If you're a bully victim and a coward So he's calling himself a coward? Then threatening violence at the end? Hopefully he was using this as a cry for help because it reads like a giant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The fact that he tagged Richie there tells me he feels as though Richie is at least partly to blame for reaching such a desperate mental state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, section122 said: Not to make light of this post but does he even know what he is saying here? The text states: If you're a bully victim and a coward you have 2 choices. If you're a bully victim and a coward So he's calling himself a coward? Then threatening violence at the end? Hopefully he was using this as a cry for help because it reads like a giant one. Yes I think he was calling himself a coward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Matt Stone @MattStoneABC 1m1 minute ago More BREAKING: @ABC confirms: Former Dolphins OL Jonathan Martin has been taken into custody But for now long..he can only be kept for 48hrs for a mental evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, #34fan said: What type of shotgun is that? -looks cheap. Looks like a Remington 870 but hard to tell. They also make knock-off variations of it so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 To those of you making snarky comments, remember that there but for God's grace go you or somebody you love or care about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: But for now long..he can only be kept for 48hrs for a mental evaluation. I'm pretty sure a medical evaluation will be enough to hold him longer, but this isn't over by a long shot.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, section122 said: Not to make light of this post but does he even know what he is saying here? The text states: If you're a bully victim and a coward you have 2 choices. If you're a bully victim and a coward So he's calling himself a coward? Then threatening violence at the end? Hopefully he was using this as a cry for help because it reads like a giant one. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes I think he was calling himself a coward I almost think he's saying that he ISNT a coward, because only cowards take the suicide or mass shooting route. And he has not. I think he was trying to say, "I was bullied from high school all the way through the NFL. I also have a gun. But I'd never use it". But damn, that is NOT the way it comes across. Horrible execution. The imagery is just too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Richie may be a bit of a handful, but context clues are starting to add up. It’s telling none of his Fins teammates ever stood up for Martin....heck one stood up for Hernandez. It’s further telling that Martin seems to have a clear complex where everyone is a bully to him. I’m sure it’s disturbing for Richie to see his name next to a gun like that....but hopefully he sees this post for what it is, vindication...as clearly Martin is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm pretty sure a medical evaluation will be enough to hold him longer, but this isn't over by a long shot.... Oh I know,it's not over.Sadly,people in his state of mind usually end up doing what they intended to do.My sister got very,very sad and she had a great life..we lost her to suicide..all of the help in the world couldn't get her to keep living. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The !@#$ this have to do with the NFL? he's been out of the league for 3 years It’s still tied to the NFL because he was an ex NFL player and he’s calling out ex teammates. Its front topic right now on profootballtalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: Oh I know,it's not over.Sadly,people in his state of mind usually end up doing what they intended to do.My sister got very,very sad and she had a great life..we lost her to suicide..all of the help in the world couldn't get her to keep living. I'm sorry to hear that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I almost think he's saying that he ISNT a coward, because only cowards take the suicide or mass shooting route. And he has not. I think he was trying to say, "I was bullied from high school all the way through the NFL. I also have a gun. But I'd never use it". But damn, that is NOT the way it comes across. Horrible execution. The imagery is just too strong. I think he's feeling as if he is a coward because you didn't stand up for himself and all of this initially began and he is feeling as if he should have done more to protect himself. I hope this guy gets help, it's been clear for a while that he needs it 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Oh I know,it's not over.Sadly,people in his state of mind usually end up doing what they intended to do.My sister got very,very sad and she had a great life..we lost her to suicide..all of the help in the world couldn't get her to keep living. I've lost many great friends to Suicide, there's nothing you can do for the ones that truly wish to end their life I'm sorry for your loss in the loss of so many with mental illnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Imo, if someone posts something like this, they are Extremely mentally I'll Wants someone to stop then from doing a terrible thing they are about to do He is very troubled and hope he gets the help he needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I almost think he's saying that he ISNT a coward, because only cowards take the suicide or mass shooting route. And he has not. I think he was trying to say, "I was bullied from high school all the way through the NFL. I also have a gun. But I'd never use it". But damn, that is NOT the way it comes across. Horrible execution. The imagery is just too strong. Oh, yeah I can see that now. It’s definitely hard to interpret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Process said: Imo, if someone posts something like this, they are Extremely mentally I'll Wants someone to stop then from doing a terrible thing they are about to do He is very troubled and hope he gets the help he needs I'm thinking he did it on purpose to get help. When you go to the social media with this type of post...it will go viral. Maybe this is his cry for help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Grid said: Richie may be a bit of a handful, but context clues are starting to add up. It’s telling none of his Fins teammates ever stood up for Martin....heck one stood up for Hernandez. It’s further telling that Martin seems to have a clear complex where everyone is a bully to him. I’m sure it’s disturbing for Richie to see his name next to a gun like that....but hopefully he sees this post for what it is, vindication...as clearly Martin is crazy. To call him crazy is wrong.obviously he is crying out for help...don't try to judge a person that suffers from depression/mental illness without knowing all the facts..which you don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh, yeah I can see that now. It’s definitely hard to interpret Yeah, regardless of his intent, the fact that its so unclear is almost even more troubling. If you can't make a clear statement on something like this, there is a big problem in cognitive ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, regardless of his intent, the fact that its so unclear is almost even more troubling. If you can't make a clear statement on something like this, there is a big problem in cognitive ability. He said there are two ways out: suicide or revenge. Either way looks like he intends to use that gun. I don't see any ambiguity or reluctance to use that gun. Looks like the only question left is who its pointed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 He's always been a head case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Conservative thinking: "Let's give all these NFL players guns now to protect themselves from other retired/bullied players." LOL Edited February 23, 2018 by QuoteTheRaven83 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: He said there are two ways out: suicide or revenge. Either way looks like he intends to use that gun. I don't see any ambiguity or reluctance to use that gun. Looks like the only question left is who its pointed at. Read the whole sentence, not just the last part. The qualifiers are important. "When you are a bully victim AND A COWARD, your options are suicide or revenge". That's a hard AND statement. If he just said "When you are a bully victim, your options are suicide or revenge" that would be different. But who knows. I'm just trying to figure out this puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: To call him crazy is wrong.obviously he is crying out for help...don't try to judge a person that suffers from depression/mental illness without knowing all the facts..which you don't. He threatened the lives of his teammates and children... He is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Read the whole sentence, not just the last part. The qualifiers are important. "When you are a bully victim AND A COWARD, your options are suicide or revenge". That's a hard AND statement. If he just said "When you are a bully victim, your options are suicide or revenge" that would be different. But who knows. I'm just trying to figure out this puzzle. The fact that the post leaves the audience debating the message means the execution was just awful. Shouldn't be left to interpret. The message should have been like the instant replay overturn rules.....clear and obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I dunno - something doesn't ring right about this whole thing. At least he has someone looking after him now. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes now. In this day and age threatening a school directly or indirectly will NOT be looked upon kindly. AT. ALL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: To call him crazy is wrong.obviously he is crying out for help...don't try to judge a person that suffers from depression/mental illness without knowing all the facts..which you don't. We know one fact. He posted a pic of a gun with words "suicide" and "revenge" in it. I think he might be crying for help as well but there are more sane ways of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Conservative thinking: "Let's give all these NFL players guns now to protect themselves from other retired/bullied players." LOL Liberal thinking: "Let's just ban retired/bullied players from getting a shotgun and hope they don't get their hands on one." LOL 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, KDS73 said: An obvious cry for help. Yes and obviously his issues run deep. I understand incognito may have been at fault when that whole thing went down, but it's starting to look like this guy is all out of whack. You don't do this kind of thing as a full grown adult and not have a few screws loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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