SAFTB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We disagree there. The Cowboys has a great line, added Zeke and had homefield advantage. He’s suspended for half of the year and they are out of the playoffs. Fournette goes to the Jags and they go from 3-13 to a score from the Super Bowl. Gurley was in contention for the MVP of the league on a team that went from the 1st pick to division champs. While I agree that you can find quality RBs throughout the draft the stars are going early again. It’s working for the teams that are taking them. We really need to stop looking at 10 years ago when analyzing this stuff. The NFL is constantly in flux. This has only been 2 or 3 years but it isn’t a trend that is changing. The top guys are back in the top 5. This is exactly my point. Build up the defense to become dominant. Look at the playoffs jags, vikings, eagles all made noise this year and none have a top QB. Barkley is a franchise changing type player. Trade the farm for a QB that you're not certain on?! None of these QBs look impressive. Barkley should be the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: And that said - I really do believe getting a second tier guy on day two (not waiting til day 3) would be a great investment. Someone that can reliably spell shady would be huge. And lays the groundwork for when shady is gone or falls apart. I’d be fine with that. Sony Michel is one of my favorite players in the draft. If he gets to your 2nd round pick I wouldn’t hate it (regardless of your other needs). I think that he’ll be a star. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFTB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Can he throw? Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6IM89OQMY0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: While the Bills shouldn’t trade up for a RB with their current needs it isn’t a terrible idea for the right teams. Zeke, Gurley and Fournette all went high and totally transformed their teams. This isn’t a decade ago when Spiller went. The pendulum is swinging back. Barkley is really going to change an offense, just not ours. Yes, a team in the top 5 where the cost is one or two picks max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Trolling or does not understand the need for a QB? Either is not a good loom for the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’d be fine with that. Sony Michel is one of my favorite players in the draft. If he gets to your 2nd round pick I wouldn’t hate it (regardless of your other needs). I think that he’ll be a star. Would be a killer tandem and a good transition plan with Shady aging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’d be fine with that. Sony Michel is one of my favorite players in the draft. If he gets to your 2nd round pick I wouldn’t hate it (regardless of your other needs). I think that he’ll be a star. I know you’d be down- but I’m going to keep beating the drum a bit. I think many would be surprised by it but I think there’s a real value in that area most years. There aren’t many guys going at 50 that impact a team more than Kamara or hunt. Lots of touches, less extreme transition- and get them before the injury bug of a vet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 If the Bills ever traded up into the top 5, and passed on Mayfield to draft a RB, my head would probably explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy. Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him. Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn. This will get us on the path of winning consistently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg Possibly the worst idea ever floated on TBD...and that's saying a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy. Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him. Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn. This will get us on the path of winning consistently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg Stop/Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Possibly the worst idea ever floated on TBD...and that's saying a lot. Nice Judgment....Not. Although I disagree with the OP, he has right to his/her own opinion. He was not rude and actually attached a clip of the player in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Is this a sarcastic post or in the running for the worst one ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 With all their capital, Cleveland would be nuts not to try to get Barkley too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: With all their capital, Cleveland would be nuts not to try to get Barkley too. As crazy as this sounds, it’s easy to be a little jealous of the Browns. They have some parts already, and soooo many options to get soooo much better. Where they sit right now, if they do it right, they can begin to build something great. ...or, they can keep being the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 overpay Cousins keep all your draft picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Cleveland takes him number 1 and no they will not trade out of slot 1. This is what I think the Browns will do as well. Then at #4 the Browns can get one of the top 3 QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, frostbitmic said: This is what I think the Browns will do as well. Then at #4 the Browns can get one of the top 3 QB's. Why settle for whatever QB is left at 4? Why not identify the guy you love the most, and take him #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Augie said: As crazy as this sounds, it’s easy to be a little jealous of the Browns. They have some parts already, and soooo many options to get soooo much better. Where they sit right now, if they do it right, they can begin to build something great. ...or, they can keep being the Browns. The Browns are due just like we were around 1987-88. This draft could make them for the next ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, LabattBlue said: Why settle for whatever QB is left at 4? Why not identify the guy you love the most, and take him #1 overall. I think the guy they'll love the most is Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: Why settle for whatever QB is left at 4? Why not identify the guy you love the most, and take him #1 overall. Always a chance you could lose out on Barkley. I think a deal could be had where Indy or the Giants might be willing to drop back a spot so Cleveland could get its RB/QB combo at 1 and 2 or at worst 1 and 3. Cleveland's cost to move up one or two spots would be minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 You never go all in on anyone named Saquan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Always a chance you could lose out on Barkley. I think a deal could be had where Indy or the Giants might be willing to drop back a spot so Cleveland could get its RB/QB combo at 1 and 2 or at worst 1 and 3. Cleveland's cost to move up one or two spots would be minimal. This is what I am talking about. Also, if NYG or IND wanted, they could trade down further to a QB needy team. There are so many scenarios. Cleveland could trade with NYG for their 1st, one of their 3 2nd's, and one of their 4ths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: This is what I am talking about. Also, if NYG or IND wanted, they could trade down further to a QB needy team. There are so many scenarios. Cleveland could trade with NYG for their 1st, one of their 3 2nd's, and one of their 4ths. I don't see either the Colts or Giants going down further than my scenario. Indy could set a weak defense with Chubb and the Giants can start grooming Eli's replacement. All either wants from Cleveland is a promise to take the player discussed in a trade scenario. I don't think that at least the Giants will put themselves in a position where Denver or the Jets scoop a QB that the Giants were eyeing by going out of the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senth Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 If we sign a top vet QB then anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I don't see either the Colts or Giants going down further than my scenario. Indy could set a weak defense with Chubb and the Giants can start grooming Eli's replacement. All either wants from Cleveland is a promise to take the player discussed in a trade scenario. I don't think that at least the Giants will put themselves in a position where Denver or the Jets scoop a QB that the Giants were eyeing by going out of the top 4. I definitely see your point of NYG if they are QB picking. If QBs are taken early the remaining non-QB talent is dropping and then it becomes player/position and team need scenarios. As with every years draft, once some of the big FAs (both QB and other positions) flesh out after the 1st week of FA, the draft picture will "start" to clear up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 The Bills have no shot even if they tried to re-create the Ricky Williams trade in some kind of Producers-esque plot by Beane & McDermott. But I do think Barkley is the real deal and could potentially revive Cleveland alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 oh you poor thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 the only idea I have heard that is worse is holding on to Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: While the Bills shouldn’t trade up for a RB with their current needs it isn’t a terrible idea for the right teams. Zeke, Gurley and Fournette all went high and totally transformed their teams. This isn’t a decade ago when Spiller went. The pendulum is swinging back. Barkley is really going to change an offense, just not ours. No thanks, i would never spend a high pick on a RB. This team needs to go all in and get the best QB available end of story, passing league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: No thanks, i would never spend a high pick on a RB. This team needs to go all in and get the best QB available end of story, passing league. There’s no disagreement. We are saying the same thing in regards to the Bills. A game changing runner though makes sense for the Giants, Colts, Browns or even the Broncos or Jets if they get Cousins. In 2018, superstar running backs are back in the top 5. The pendulum has swung back. Edited February 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Last time Cleveland drafted a Running Back in the top 5.......I swear that city is more cursed than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) I don't think it would be ideal to make this guy your entire draft. I could see it making sense if the Bills had a high enough pick to just make it happen. I don't think starting RB for the Bills is a top priority right now. We have Shady so I don't think the Bills are desperate in that area enough to leap for one. If we had a high enough pick without trading or he fell to us then I could maybe join in agreement. We definitely don't need to go all in. Shady isn't hot garbage. It would make more sense to say if this guy is still around for our first pick the Bills shouldn't let him pass by. Plus until we get a passing game he would just be stacked against just like Shady was. I think the priority is passing game. I think it would be nice to have a passing game in Buffalo. This guy would have to be elite enough to win with the deck stacked against him, at least while our passing offense is so poor. Edited February 19, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Playoffs? said: Apples and oranges. Barkley can do it all. Best running back to come out of penn state. I watched every game he played in. He’s an absolute freak of nature. He will be a game changer in the nfl. Just saying... Valedictorian of summer school 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 hours ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy. Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him. Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn. This will get us on the path of winning consistently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg Funny stuff, mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 No.... no they dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Stop the madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 hours ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy. Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him. Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn. This will get us on the path of winning consistently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg Ooooo god NO NO NO NO NO NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 As always, the safest move is to just say NO to burning high draft picks on anyone from Penn State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 hours ago, mannc said: Possibly the worst idea ever floated on TBD...and that's saying a lot. Fantasy football has made some fans believe building a team starts and almost ends with offensive skill positions. QBs and pass rushers are where you need to be strong. This hasn't changed in years and teams with high picks without those type players taking RBs is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Wonder what it would take for the browns to move up to number 2 from their 4 spot? Imagine that happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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