Eric Galko of Optimum Scouting: Bills love Rosen (updated with new info)

[JohnBonhamRocks]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Yeah, there's a few ways to balance it. Whether they want to preserve future picks or current picks depends on how they feel about the depth of the respective classes I suppose. I structured it assuming we wanted to keep our picks this year, to the extent possible.

 

I get that. I just hate the "bird in the hand" valuation, meaning having to give up next year's 1st for a value of this year's 2nd. Let's hope we can use the Panthers ties to get a softer trade up tax. 

[ndirish1978]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Trades into premium picks in drafts with premium players come at a higher price for the team moving up. Since 2011, trading into the top 2 for a QB has come at an average cost multiplier of 128%. Trading into the top 10 has had a multiplier closer to 109%. Since in this scenario we are trading to pick #2 for a QB, it is likely that our offer will need to be worth ~130% of that pick (93.83 * 130% = 121.98). 21, 22, 96, 2019 1st, and 2019 3rd have a total value of 122.36, which is why I suggested that it would be the cost.

thanks! Good to know

[KDIGGZ]

Darnold has a fatal flaw in his delivery and I will be interested to see his hand size measurement.  There is a rumor he has tiny baby hands and that's why he fumbles a lot.  That and his horrible delivery would be big red flags for me

[TPS]

I'm betting it's a ruse, and they are hoping Clev goes after him so they can get who they really want.  Assuming they trade up.

[BillsfanAZ]

I would be disgusted if the Bills basically gave up their draft this year and next. Even if Rosen is the best QB of the draft class, the Bills have too many other needs to fill to trade away that many picks. 

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I would be disgusted if the Bills basically gave up their draft this year and next. Even if Rosen is the best QB of the draft class, the Bills have too many other needs to fill to trade away that many picks. 

 

 

Literally no one said that.  They have enough ammo to move up to get him, still have 2 day two picks and largely have their full draft intact next year.

[Jamie Muellers Ghost]

My worry is when things go bad (and they usually do at some point) does he go all Ryan Leaf and can he keep his politics off the field and out of the locker room.

Edited February 14, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost

[QuoteTheRaven83]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

This would be excellent. Unfortunately, I’ll be surprised if the Giants wanted to down that much. Heck, they might want Rosen just as much.

 

Person, IQ, and heart over pure, natural talent any day of the week.

 

I don't think Rosen has the heart or work ethic to succeed at the next level. Who wants a QB that whines about classes and football don't mix because it's too hard. lol. He complaining about workload? Who the hell wants a QB that complains about too much work?

 

Good luck with that...

[Tatonka68]

JUST SAY NO! WAY TO MUCH TO TRADE UP!  PLUS ROSEN NOT A MCBEAN TYPE PLAYER.

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I don’t think Darnold would need more time. I think Darnold would have been smarter to stay another year at USC, but he’s just as NFL ready as Rosen is. And he’s better.

 

No worries about Darnold's wind up and turnovers?

[PIZ]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They aren’t trading the pick, aren’t taking Rosen, and I think it’s too high for Mayfield or Allen who i think they could get at 4

 

No chance they take Barkley at 1 and then a QB (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen) at 4 if they like all 4 QBs?  If the Bills trade up to 2, and have their pick of any of the 4, who would they take?  Also, regarding another post you had about Trubisky.  Was it confirmed last year that the Bills tried to trade up for him, or were contemplating trading up for him?  I thought I read that somewhere.  Also, regarding another post you made about "these deals are already agreed upon" in some cases.  I wonder how many times these teams have a "deal in place" in Feb-Mar and then a better deal comes along.  Do you think these teams have integrity when it comes to these hand-shake deals?  Just trying to NOT get my hopes up.

[Wsam4031]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Bills would be MUCH better served putting one of them at RT and having two bookend tackles. Mills has been their starter for far too long. He blows.

 

If they can get the number two pick without having to ship Glenn out it would be more ideal. 

 

And trading from 7 to 2 will take more then Glenn and a 2019 2nd round pick. Your probably talking about Glenn and a 2019 first round pick, IMO.

I couldn't agree more. Glenn, if healthy is a premier LT and they aren't easy to come by. Him and dawkins would stabilize our line for the next few years until Dawkins needed to be paid. Id rather part with draft picks as they are unknown at this point

[QuoteTheRaven83]

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

No chance they take Barkley at 1 and then a QB (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen) at 4 if they like all 4 QBs?  If the Bills trade up to 2, and have their pick of any of the 4, who would they take?  Also, regarding another post you had about Trubisky.  Was it confirmed last year that the Bills tried to trade up for him, or were contemplating trading up for him?  I thought I read that somewhere.  Also, regarding another post you made about "these deals are already agreed upon" in some cases.  I wonder how many times these teams have a "deal in place" in Feb-Mar and then a better deal comes along.  Do you think these teams have integrity when it comes to these hand-shake deals?  Just trying to NOT get my hopes up.

 

Browns passed up on Watson AND Wentz. If they don't draft a QB with their #1 overall pick, they'll need to just quit the league.

[Bills of Boston]

Do the folks constantly talking about the Bills have too many holes to fill to trade up for a QB fundamentally understand there’s a 2019 a 2020 draft and so on?!

 

I legitimately hear you guys, don’t get me wrong, just was having a little fun but I find it hard to believe that many teams feel they have every roster spot exactly where they want it heading into a season.  

 

Clearly im team trade up!

 

[PIZ]

1 minute ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Browns passed up on Watson AND Wentz. If they don't draft a QB with their #1 overall pick, they'll need to just quit the league.

 

They could probably draft Barkley at 1 and then trade up from #4 to get "their QB".

[Tatonka68]

1 minute ago, Bills of Boston said:

Do the folks constantly talking about the Bills have too many holes to fill to trade up for a QB fundamentally understand there’s a 2019 a 2020 draft and so on?!

 

I legitimately hear you guys, don’t get me wrong, just was having a little fun but I find it hard to believe that many teams feel they have every roster spot exactly where they want it heading into a season.  

 

Clearly im team trade up!

 

Not interested. He is not even a team player. He is a selfish jackass. JEFF GEORGE PART 2. 

[Rico]

Dare to be great, McBeane, and make this happen please.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

Just now, PIZ said:

 

They could probably draft Barkley at 1 and then trade up from #4 to get "their QB".

 

No RB is EVER worth the number 1 overall pick (unless you have back to back 1-2 picks). If they do this, they should quit the NFL.

 

HORRIBLE idea

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Uh oh....

 

http://youtu.be/cxqjsyfbcd4

 

 

[PIZ]

2 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

No RB is EVER worth the number 1 overall pick (unless you have back to back 1-2 picks). If they do this, they should quit the NFL.

 

HORRIBLE idea

 

Not saying it would be a great idea.  I'd take the QB too.  Just saying that if they wanted the best RB and possibly the best QB, they could get both.  Giants and Colts may go Barkley before the Browns pick at 4.

[VABills]

4 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

No RB is EVER worth the number 1 overall pick (unless you have back to back 1-2 picks). If they do this, they should quit the NFL.

 

HORRIBLE idea

OJ Simpson, Jim Brown?

[QuoteTheRaven83]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

 

Not saying it would be a great idea.  I'd take the QB too.  Just saying that if they wanted the best RB and possibly the best QB, they could get both.  Giants and Colts may go Barkley before the Browns pick at 4.

 

I'd rather take the QB and risk losing Barkley than the other way around. Darnold should be the only one on their list of #1 overall

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 minute ago, VABills said:

OJ Simpson, Jim Brown?

 

Too old.

[CajunBillsBacker]

The thought of the Bills identifying their guy and going get him gets me through the day.

 

i think McDermott and Beane realize that Brady and Bill will both be out of NE shortly, and getting a franchise QB now, will ensure in a year or two that when the division is up for grabs post Brady, that they want to have a franchise QB who is ready to go.

[njbuff]

I thought they loved Darnold?

 

Smokescreen

[NewEraBills]

LOL, I'm sure the Bills love Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph and a host of other guys at this point.  They love all the QBs, but not really.  You probably won't know who the really love until late in the process.  But for now, they love all of them.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

1 minute ago, VABills said:

OJ Simpson, Jim Brown?

 

Nope and Nope.

 

QB always comes first when you need one. ALWAYS

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm calling Fake News!! The Bills have to know about Rosen and the concussion/injury history.

[ddaryl]

20 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Person, IQ, and heart over pure, natural talent any day of the week.

 

I don't think Rosen has the heart or work ethic to succeed at the next level. Who wants a QB that whines about classes and football don't mix because it's too hard. lol. He complaining about workload? Who the hell wants a QB that complains about too much work?

 

Good luck with that...

 

 

Did you even look into what he said and why he said it.. I just went through that whole thing and I fail to see what he said was wrong..In fact most discussions on the topic support and understand what Rosen said and why he said it.

 

 

Non issue in my book...

[Putin]

3 hours ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

At this point they should to give up whatever it takes if that means you have a chance at a franchise quarterback. It's the single most important position in all of sports.everythings a risk .  

I agree if they believe he's our franchise QB for a decade, then just go get him what ever it cost , you can get any position filled through free agency LB , DT , CB , etc,,, franchise QB's not so much,  

[VABills]

1 minute ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Nope and Nope.

 

QB always comes first when you need one. ALWAYS

So Dennis Shaw > OJ Simpson and Milt Plum > Jim Brown.  

[QuoteTheRaven83]

9 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Did you even look into what he said and why he said it.. I just went through that whole thing and I fail to see what he said was wrong..In fact most discussions on the topic support and understand what Rosen said and why he said it.

 

 

Non issue in my book...

 

Yea I read about it. Read the whole interview. Sounds like him complaining about work to me. Don't hear that stuff out of Peyton Manning who stayed a whole 4 years at school to finish his degree in communications. Didn't hear much whining from Andrew Luck when he decided to finish his architecture degree...

 

I guess ALL NCAA student athletes have this problem too then...

7 minutes ago, VABills said:

So Dennis Shaw > OJ Simpson and Milt Plum > Jim Brown.  

 

QB over RB unless there really is no QB to draft. When you have 2 QBs worth a top 10 pick, why would you risk losing both to draft a RB? ESPECIALLY after giving away Wentz and Watson?

16 minutes ago, VABills said:

OJ Simpson, Jim Brown?

 

OK. If you were starting an all pro NFL legends  team, who would be your number one overall pick? Tom Brady or Jim Brown?

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by QuoteTheRaven83

[ddaryl]

11 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Yea I read about it. Read the whole interview. Sounds like him complaining about work to me. Don't hear that stuff out of Peyton Manning who stayed a whole 4 years at school to finish his degree in communications. Didn't hear much whining from Andrew Luck when he decided to finish his architecture degree...

 

I guess ALL NCAA student athletes have this problem too then...

 

 

 

 

Lots of people seem to agree with his take on work load for student athletes.  Are you sure Peyton didn't get some special treatment where many other less star athletes didn't. it seemed to me Rosen was advocating for many other student athletes who will need to  depend on those college degrees but their football workload made it harder for them to get the degrees they wil need to be successful.

 

might be interesting to know how many college football players utilize their college degrees when college is done

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by ddaryl

[simool]

The truly great teams that are built for the long haul, start from the inside out. Seeing as we seem to finally have a GM and Coach on the same page, they made the hard decisions in their first season, and both of our lines resemble a mobile home after an F5 tornado; I believe the reports that is where we will be spending our draft capital. Furthermore I wholeheartedly agree with the approach.

 

Doing this and then snagging someone like Mike White on Day 2 is the right way to go.

[PIZ]

8 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Yea I read about it. Read the whole interview. Sounds like him complaining about work to me. Don't hear that stuff out of Peyton Manning who stayed a whole 4 years at school to finish his degree in communications. Didn't hear much whining from Andrew Luck when he decided to finish his architecture degree...

 

I guess ALL NCAA student athletes have this problem too then...

 

QB over RB unless there really is no QB to draft. When you have 2 QBs worth a top 10 pick, why would you risk losing both to draft a RB? ESPECIALLY after giving away Wentz and Watson?

 

OK. If you were starting an all pro NFL legends hall of fame team, who would be your number one overall pick? Tom Brady or Jim Brown?

 

If you say Tom Brady you're a dam hypocrite. If you say Jim Brown,  you're a moron. pick you poison. lol

 

Never understood why Bills fans have to call other Bills fans idiots, morons, stupid, etc.  Isn't this board for sharing opinions and discussing Bills information, rumors, etc.?

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I thought they loved Darnold?

 

Smokescreen

Wasn’t that according to Savior Peterman? Also, they may like Darnold too but know they can’t get to him.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Eric Galko was the first to report of the Trubisky interest last year as well. This guy is plugged in.

 

It's probably going to take 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 2019 1st Rd pick, 2020 3rd Rd Pick and Cordy Glenn and I would absolutely do that deal for Josh Rosen. He's immediately the 2nd best QB in franchise history and we've boxed off the most important position in sports for a decade. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, simool said:

The truly great teams that are built for the long haul, start from the inside out. Seeing as we seem to finally have a GM and Coach on the same page, they made the hard decisions in their first season, and both of our lines resemble a mobile home after an F5 tornado; I believe the reports that is where we will be spending our draft capital. Furthermore I wholeheartedly agree with the approach.

 

Doing this and then snagging someone like Mike White on Day 2 is the right way to go.

 

No

 

[simool]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

No

 

 

Ain't logic a mother..... Joe?

[Tatonka68]

Draft Josh Rosen, and who is he throwing to, who's blocking for him and who rushing the passer and stopping the run when you trade away all those assets. I say stay at 21 & 22 and take best QB available. Is Rosen that much better than Rudolph or Allen??

Edited February 14, 2018 by Tatonka68