QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Never understood why Bills fans have to call other Bills fans idiots, morons, stupid, etc. Isn't this board for sharing opinions and discussing Bills information, rumors, etc.? When and where did I call anyone a moron directly? I said IF he chooses to go Brown over Brady, he's a moron. I've been called A LOT worse in these forums but don't get butt hurt over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Eric Galko was the first to report of the Trubisky interest last year as well. This guy is plugged in. It's probably going to take 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 2019 1st Rd pick, 2020 3rd Rd Pick and Cordy Glenn and I would absolutely do that deal for Josh Rosen. He's immediately the 2nd best QB in franchise history and we've boxed off the most important position in sports for a decade. That's suicide. And honestly, I would hate to give up a 1st round pick next year too. I hated it in the Watkins trade and I'd hate it now. I hate not having a 1st round pick. It just sucks. If we trade all of that prepare to take a few steps back before going forward again. Such a trade presupposes that we are only one player away and we are not. I can see giving up 21 and 22 but not 2019 1st and another future 3rd. If we give up all of that + Glenn then we've been had big time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, PIZ said: Never understood why Bills fans have to call other Bills fans idiots, morons, stupid, etc. Isn't this board for sharing opinions and discussing Bills information, rumors, etc.? Consider the source. At least I know how to spell damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: That's suicide. And honestly, I would hate to give up a 1st round pick next year too. I hated it in the Watkins trade and I'd hate it now. I hate not having a 1st round pick. It just sucks. If we trade all of that prepare to take a few steps back before going forward again. Such a trade presupposes that we are only one player away and we are not. I can see giving up 21 and 22 but not 2019 1st and another future 3rd. If we give up all of that + Glenn then we've been had big time. I hate giving up future 1st's too just makes next year's Draft less exciting but it's the cost for a top QB and too be honest we haven't hit on many 1sts, 2nd and 3rd's recently. Nothing papers over the cracks of your roster like a really good QB and Rosen is a prodigy. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers are all on their last legs. Getting in young star at QB with a chance to be elite is imperative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Like I have said before...the cost will be huge but....if the bills are convinced that Josh is a franchise QB....you have to do it....its the most important position on the field. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) "Next year" has finally arrived. Pay the price, get your ticket to the show! Edited February 14, 2018 by TheFunPolice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I hate giving up future 1st's too just makes next year's Draft less exciting but it's the cost for a top QB and too be honest we haven't hit on many 1sts, 2nd and 3rd's recently. Nothing papers over the cracks of your roster like a really good QB and Rosen is a prodigy. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers are all on their last legs. Getting in young star at QB with a chance to be elite is imperative. I agree with the overall notion of giving up the picks being worth it, but tough to make the point about not hitting on picks after watching White and Dawkins play last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Based on past trades it'd be something along the lines of picks 21, 22, & 96 this year, and our 1st & 3rd next year. Using the below chart and a 130% multiplier for the team moving up those picks get it done. This is a bet your future for five years move. All is well if you are right but if not, it’s like jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, simool said: Ain't logic a mother..... Joe? Not really when your post was of the lowest possible level of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Draft Josh Rosen, and who is he throwing to, who's blocking for him and who rushing the passer and stopping the run when you trade away all those assets. I say stay at 21 & 22 and take best QB available. Is Rosen that much better than Rudolph or Allen?? If you move that much he’s probably starting as a rookie, and you’re picking up vet backup on the cheap... then all the rest of that cap can be used on at least on high quality WR and some FA upgrades where available on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I hate giving up future 1st's too just makes next year's Draft less exciting but it's the cost for a top QB and too be honest we haven't hit on many 1sts, 2nd and 3rd's recently. Nothing papers over the cracks of your roster like a really good QB and Rosen is a prodigy. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers are all on their last legs. Getting in young star at QB with a chance to be elite is imperative. But we just hit on a 1st and a 3rd with White and Dawkins. The book is still out on Jones who had some really good moments. It's a new regime and I'm all for the idea of New GM, New Coach, New Franchise QB. I'm all for the idea but I think the price that you mentioned is exactly what Beane was talking about when asked about trading up. If you can get a deal that makes sense within what you are working with then you do it without hesitation. But if teams are trying to take advantage of you just because they know you need a QB, that's where IMO you just back off. I'll do a deal but I'm not going to get taken advantage of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Like I have said before...the cost will be huge but....if the bills are convinced that Josh is a franchise QB....you have to do it....its the most important position on the field. No you don't, this draft is loaded with QB's and Rosen is not that much better to throw away ALL those picks. If they did Bills would go 4-12 next year with there 2019 1st rounder going to NYG. STUPID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Either they will find a long term answer at QB or they will all get fired anyways. Might as well find the guy you love and roll the dice. Let your fate rest on the move you truly want to make, rather than what you settled for because you drafted a guard and a WR and hoped Tyrod Taylor of Case Keenum would be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Not really when your post was of the lowest possible level of logic. Coming from your backwards arse New Jersey self, buddy that's a frigging compliment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I know a franchise QB is one of the most important things to have but I cant see it being worth giving up all the picks we would need to help fill all our other needs with Yes! Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, simool said: Coming from your backwards arse New Jersey self, buddy that's a frigging compliment! Sure thing, chief. Let me know when a team wins a championship based on drafting the best available DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) I'm a fan of signing Cousins and keeping all the picks to load up the team. I would also be excited to see this team identify a guy and go get him. The only unacceptable outcomes to me are sticking with Tyrod or signing Case Keenum, who is going to get some "smart" people fired in a year or two. Edited February 14, 2018 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: No you don't, this draft is loaded with QB's and Rosen is not that much better to throw away ALL those picks. If they did Bills would go 4-12 next year with there 2019 1st rounder going to NYG. STUPID! Sorry but no I dont agree This is a good year for qbs....and the bills would be getting one of the best of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Sure thing, chief. Let me know when a team wins a championship based on drafting the best available DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Sure thing, chief. Let me know when a team wins a championship based on drafting the best available DT. Please hold, I have Fletcher Cox on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Please hold, I have Fletcher Cox on the line Was it REALLY fletcher cox that won them that championship? You may wanna re-watch the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 One thing matters: did you get it right? Did the Eagles give up too much for Wentz in their multiple trades? They have a stacked roster that is so good they won the SB by outdueling Brady in an offensive shooting match with their backup QB after Wentz, who was in the running for league MVP and set the Eagles TD passing record in 3/4 of a season, went down with an injury... They gave up a lot but they got it right. IF you get it right you win a LOT. If you get it wrong you get fired. If you stand pat and do nothing you go 8-8 ish for a few years and get fired anyway. Only one outcome is attractive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It doesnt matter who the QB is that they take...but they need to take a QB this year (either pay for best FA or spend the draft capital to get your guy) because the QBs in next years draft look like warm vomit. Identify your guy and grab him this year, we cannot afford to wait... I dont know if it means trading up, standing pat and taking who is there or what...but it starts with identifying the RIGHT guy and doing what you think is necessary to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Was it REALLY fletcher cox that won them that championship? You may wanna re-watch the game. Butt hurt and being from New Jersey is no way to go through life son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Person, IQ, and heart over pure, natural talent any day of the week. I don't think Rosen has the heart or work ethic to succeed at the next level. Who wants a QB that whines about classes and football don't mix because it's too hard. lol. He complaining about workload? Who the hell wants a QB that complains about too much work? Good luck with that... Remember all the success good guys and hard workers like Tim Tebow and EJ Manual had? Those were good times. I’d take him without a moment of hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He said he has heard repeatedly that the Bills are linked to Rosen. Last year they were so closely linked to Trubisky that Trubisky believed he was going to be a Buffalo Bill (but it was 100% Whaley and that was thwarted by McD). He said they believe Rosen will get them back to the Jim Kelly era. He has been told McD is not at all turned off by his personality but some other teams are. He said Gettleman is definitely moving back unless they decide to take a QB. And wants Glenn. And had a great relationship with Beane. He foresees 21, 22 and Glenn where they take Guice and another OL. darnold at 1 to Browns I wouldn't hesitate moving the two picks and Glenn. Doesn't seem like enough though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Was it REALLY fletcher cox that won them that championship? You may wanna re-watch the game. I am positive it was not Wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Draft Josh Rosen, and who is he throwing to, who's blocking for him and who rushing the passer and stopping the run when you trade away all those assets. I say stay at 21 & 22 and take best QB available. Is Rosen that much better than Rudolph or Allen?? Yes, he is. Allen shouldn’t even be in this conversation. He’s horrible. This team has been trying to play it safe and fill other holes for nearly 2 decades and we have nothing to show for it. If they think Rosen can make us a consistent winner then do whatever it takes to get him. Do you think the Eagles regret getting Wentz? You can still fill other holes with either FA or other draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I am positive it was not Wentz Wait, what's that? Brady just tacked on another 100 yards on their defense? Come on man, do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) Wentz likely would have been league MVP if not for a freak hit to the leg. The team that won the Super Bowl is going to get their MVP quality QB and pro bowl LT back for next season. I think they are in a good spot. Oh, and some team is going to trade them a high draft pick for Foles now too. I'll bet they regret the Wentz deal every day... Edited February 14, 2018 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, TheFunPolice said: Wentz likely would have been league MVP if not for a freak hit to the leg. The team that won the Super Bowl is going to get their MVP quality QB and pro bowl LT back for next season. I think they are in a good spot. Can't play that game. Watson likely would've been league MVP if not for a freak non-contact practice injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He said he has heard repeatedly that the Bills are linked to Rosen. Last year they were so closely linked to Trubisky that Trubisky believed he was going to be a Buffalo Bill (but it was 100% Whaley and that was thwarted by McD). He said they believe Rosen will get them back to the Jim Kelly era. He has been told McD is not at all turned off by his personality but some other teams are. He said Gettleman is definitely moving back unless they decide to take a QB. And wants Glenn. And had a great relationship with Beane. He foresees 21, 22 and Glenn where they take Guice and another OL. darnold at 1 to Browns Interesting if true about Trubisky. That's actually what I read too - that the only QB the Bills were really, truly interested in was Trubisky. But it's hard to know what to believe around draft time. How reliable is this guy? This has me way too excited. It would just be a dream scenario if we could get pick #2, and Rosen. I don't think 21,22 and Glenn would be enough. It probably takes at least another 1st next year but so what. As much as I've been against trade ups in the past I would be ALL FOR this one. Trying not not to get my hopes up though. It's draft season (aka wild speculation and crazy rumor time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Wait, what's that? Brady just tacked on another 100 yards on their defense? Come on man, do better. Nope he was strip sacked on the game winning drive... ooops Edit: we can reach out to Super Bowl MVP linebackers Malcolm Smith and Vonn Miller as well. Im flexible about doing better though, are we saying bills should be able to pick up their super bowl mvp qb in the 3rd round or the 6th? Edited February 14, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, The Poojer said: Pretty sure they meant @JÂy RÛßeÒJay Rosen Well duh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 People who have seen me post know that I've been an advocate for Tyrod as bridge QB. But if the Bills love Rosen, and are willing to leverage every asset possible to get him, let's roll with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: People who have seen me post know that I've been an advocate for Tyrod as bridge QB. But if the Bills love Rosen, and are willing to leverage every asset possible to get him, let's roll with it! If push comes to shove TT could still be I just dont think they want to pay that cap hit...... Regardless...this is the draft i would like them to get serious about qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Three things: First, it's funny to hear that the Bills are into Rosen, since I ALREADY heard they were into Darnold. So let me get this straight: The Bills happen to like both of the consensus top 2 QBs in the draft? Get right out of town! Second, I find it quite believable that the Bills would trade with the Giants, given the connections of Beane and Gettelman. In fact, I'd consider it the MOST likely scenario. Our two firsts this year and a first next year probably gets it done. I'm fine with the price if they really believe in one of the top QBs as a franchise guy. Third, I find it quite reasonable that the Giants WOULD trade out of the second spot. I believe they load up on picks, build around Manning, and go for a QB to groom somewhere in round 2-4. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: yeah, Jay Cutler...but more fragile Not too far off lol, hopefully does better. Much rather have Mayfield and Darnold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I like how Rosen slings the ball but a major red flag is he's been dealing with multiple injuries dating back to high school . Not a good sign for longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Not too far off lol, hopefully does better. Much rather have Mayfield and Darnold. Agreed. Mayfield is my guy. Unfortunately, I don't think the Bills will take him. I think it will haunt them, because he's gonna be a good one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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