Eric Galko of Optimum Scouting: Bills love Rosen (updated with new info)

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, FearLess Price said:

Mayfield > Rosen based on overall talent, our current OL, and intangibles.

 

 

Hahahaha!  You Mayfield supporters never disappoint.

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

No way in hell Bills get to #2 spot.....No way

Giants would Never trade that far down and there are way too many teams to leap

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[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

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? cant find my specs to see the symbol. age and all. whats it mean? yay or nay?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

Yea, I'm with you on the Mayfield bus. Think he's going to be a great player. 

Here's the thing with Bridgewater in general. If the knee is good and he's a franchise guy...why in the world would the Vikings let him go? They have the option to franchise him, the can resign him over Bradford/Keenum if he's a franchise guy. If the Vikings let him go...there's a reason. 

 

Shurmur would likely have some firsthand knowledge of where his knee is at and where he is as a player. 

True, but there could be dissenting opinions between Shurmur and the Vikings personnel/coaches on Bridgewater.  I wouldn't be shocked if the Vikings take a run at Cousins as they are in a win now mode.  Just a thought.

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

? cant find my specs to see the symbol. age and all. whats it mean? yay or nay?

filing away the definitive take for  @freezingcoldtakes

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

No way in hell Bills get to #2 spot.....No way

Giants would Never trade that far down and there are way too many teams to leap

 

 

It could easily happen, especially if they throw in Cordy Glenn as Galko suggests they might.

[Dkollidas]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It could easily happen, especially if they throw in Cordy Glenn as Galko suggests they might.

I don’t know. Kind of seems like Galko is just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

His evidence of their interest was,

1) that he’s heard from people (although no one in the organization), that the Bills like him.

 

2) they’ve scouted him multiple times

 

my reply would be 

1) who is “they”, is it just a regional scout of something? Or is it someone like Beane. These scouting staffs aren’t small, they have groups of people who have varying interest in different players. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were people in the organization who had each of the top guys at the top of their own personal list.

 

2) Beane has scouted Rudolph multiple times himself this season. Does that mean they’re in love with him? Maybe. But it doesn’t prove anything either.

[PIZ]

The quote "to the Bills" seems to imply that this is a done deal.  How likely is it that the two teams actually agreed on a deal? (assuming Darnold hoes 1).

 

'Josh Rosen to the Bills is what I've heard repeatedly,' says Eric Galko.

 

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/josh_rosen_to_the_buffalo_bills_is_what_ive_heard_repeatedly_says_eric_galko.html

Edited February 15, 2018 by PIZ

[MAJBobby]

This is the QB I have wanted to the Bills all season. Just make it happen

[NickelCity]

If we make the trade up, Rosen or Mayfield is who I'm hoping for. Sometimes I like Darnold and other times I'm unconvinced. Just can't quite get a read on him. 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, PIZ said:

The quote "to the Bills" seems to imply that this is a done deal.  How likely is it that the two teams actually agreed on a deal? (assuming Darnold hoes 1).

 

'Josh Rosen to the Bills is what I've heard repeatedly,' says Eric Galko.

 

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/josh_rosen_to_the_buffalo_bills_is_what_ive_heard_repeatedly_says_eric_galko.html

I think it’s possible the Bills and Giants have discussed some preliminary parameters on a deal. I think it’s possible Rosen is #1 or 2 on their board based on what they know today. But keep in mind they have not met or interviewed him at all yet. They will in 2 weeks. 

[MAJBobby]

Beane and McD. If you can make this happen I swear I will not call you out for One Calender year over Teflon Juan still being employed here 

 

 

The earlier the Deal can become official the cheaper it will be IMO. As they get closer and closer to draft and more teams start calling price might go up. 

Edited February 15, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not sure that can be emphasized enough.

 

It actually gets less dangerous for QB's when they reach the NFL.

 

And fwiw........Aaron Rodgers was on his 3rd or 4th bad concussion in 2010........and on his way out of the league.........when Goodell decided you couldn't hit QB's......or WR's in the middle of the field.....and began bludgeoning the Steelers defense with fines to emphasize the point.     7 years later concussions are no longer much of an issue for him.

While this is all true, it was a rubber matt that ended Kevin Kolb's NFL career.

 

NFL players are bigger, stronger and more importantly much, much faster. It's not just the concussions that have me worried about Allen as much as his recurring shoulder injuries and his struggles with free rushers. Makes risky decisions under pressure, throws off his back foot when hurried. Makes dangerous throwaways while being sacked instead of holding the ball. When he takes hits he is prone to get knocked out of a game. 

 

Other than all that a really good college football QB. 

 

My personal opinion is that the Bills have far too many holes on the roster to give up so much for a QB with serious questions. I prefer the Bills back up the Brinks truck for Cousins and spend all those draft picks on filling those holes.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

While this is all true, it was a rubber matt that ended Kevin Kolb's NFL career.

 

NFL players are bigger, stronger and more importantly much, much faster. It's not just the concussions that have me worried about Allen as much as his recurring shoulder injuries and his struggles with free rushers. Makes risky decisions under pressure, throws off his back foot when hurried. Makes dangerous throwaways while being sacked instead of holding the ball. When he takes hits he is prone to get knocked out of a game. 

 

Other than all that a really good college football QB. 

 

My personal opinion is that the Bills have far too many holes on the roster to give up so much for a QB with serious questions. I prefer the Bills back up the Brinks truck for Cousins and spend all those draft picks on filling those holes.

 

And Cousins take a big shot and gets a concussion and ends his career. See you cant predict that soooo

[Nihilarian]

33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And Cousins take a big shot and gets a concussion and ends his career. See you cant predict that soooo

Apples can fall from a tree.

[njbuff]

I will bet you the Giants would want the Bills to take on Apple in part of the deal.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I don’t know. Kind of seems like Galko is just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

His evidence of their interest was,

1) that he’s heard from people (although no one in the organization), that the Bills like him.

 

2) they’ve scouted him multiple times

 

my reply would be 

1) who is “they”, is it just a regional scout of something? Or is it someone like Beane. These scouting staffs aren’t small, they have groups of people who have varying interest in different players. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were people in the organization who had each of the top guys at the top of their own personal list.

 

2) Beane has scouted Rudolph multiple times himself this season. Does that mean they’re in love with him? Maybe. But it doesn’t prove anything either.

 

 

I'm not saying I know they are interested, though it certainly seems reasonable, and it should count that Galko correctly had the Bills after Trubisky last year.

 

Anyway, I was replying to someone who said that the Bills wouldn't be able to trade up that far. And there's definitely a solid chance they could. If they want to.

 

As to who his source is, that's not generally how sources work. It's reasonable to have doubts, though. Could be a smoke screen. But IMHO the fact that the same people said Trubisky last year makes it more credible.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Thurman#1

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Rosen suffered not one but 2 concussions last season.  I think its absolutely insane to trade the house for him.  

 

Rosen also an often injured QB dating back to High school.  I really hope this is smoke.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

not real.

fun to spin though.

i will honestly fall off my chair if Bills go up into the top five.

 Top fifteen maybe . But Bills trading away the ability to fill  ALL the holes upcoming decently means they likely need all their picks. And us a couple to trade out of ? sure.
But not multiples to get the QB. Not this season. IMHO.

Thicken up the the roster a good bit this year and when the dead money falls off ? Go for it. 

If they go for it?I am cool with that. Just seems out of character and too soon in the McBeanes career.

 First clean draft by them and all.

 

 

Not sure what you mean by "clean draft." But GMs getting their franchise QB in their first draft are actually a fairly common thing. Makes perfect sense, really, and seems very likely that it's why McD acquired the extra picks in the first place.

 

Whether the guy they want will be available is another question, of course, as is how far we'll be able to trade up.

[BobbyC81]

21 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I know a franchise QB is one of the most important things to have but I cant see it being worth giving up all the picks we would need to help fill all our other needs with

 

C’mon.  Rams did it for Goff and won the division in his 2nd season.  Iggles  did it for Wentz and won Super Bowl.  Sometimes you gotta pay what the market demands to get what you want/need.

9 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Ironically he also said that Whaley was a fan of Money Mitch Trubisky.  There goes the DeShaun Watson narrative for Whaley supporters

 

And McDermott overruled Whaley because he was all in on Tyrod? Sigh!

Edited February 15, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 hour ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

C’mon.  Rams did it for Goff and won the division in his 2nd season.  Iglesias did it for Wentz and won Super Bowl.  Sometimes you gotta pay what the market demands to get what you want/need.

 

And McDermott overruled Whaley because he was all in on Tyrod? Sigh!

Its also been reported Whaley loved Mahomes. 

 

I said it a 1000 times i don't like Mcd making personel decisions . He's a good coach but horrible talent evaluator on offensive side of the ball.  Make no mistake about it Mcd has final say in this regard and it might be costly for us in the future. 

Edited February 15, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers

[Domdab99]

17 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Rosen One is coming.... and it will be Jesus like.  

 

They have the first pick - why would they need a smoke screen?

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

They have the first pick - why would they need a smoke screen?

 

Eh? 

[Domdab99]

15 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

Draft Josh Rosen, and who is he throwing to, who's blocking for him and who rushing the passer and stopping the run when you trade away all those assets. I say stay at 21 & 22 and take best QB available. Is Rosen that much better than Rudolph or Allen??

 

Yes. Rudolph isn't first round talent and Allen is the next Bryce Petty. He sucks. 

[Fadingpain]

The thread title reminded me of "Blue horseshoe loves Anacott Steel."

 

 

[njbuff]

If the Bills trade up for Rosen and they are wrong about him, there will be another 17 year playoff drought on the horizon.

 

Question is............ Do you wanna take that risk? I seriously don't know cause Rosen is no sure thing (like almost any other prospect).

[Fadingpain]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

If the Bills trade up for Rosen and they are wrong about him, there will be another 17 year playoff drought on the horizon.

 

Question is............ Do you wanna take that risk? I seriously don't know cause Rosen is no sure thing (like almost any other prospect).

It is statistically almost impossible to have another 17 year drought regardless of the Bills' decision.

 

If Rosen is the next great QB, we might win 4 Superbowls.  

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, njbuff said:

If the Bills trade up for Rosen and they are wrong about him, there will be another 17 year playoff drought on the horizon.

 

Question is............ Do you wanna take that risk? I seriously don't know cause Rosen is no sure thing (like almost any other prospect).

 

Why will there be? The Vikings took Christian Ponder in the 1st in 2011 and he sucked.  They gave up on him early in year 3, took another shot on Teddy Bridgewater and made the playoffs two seasons later. The Redskins traded up and gave up three years of first round picks for RGIII and yet when they decided early in his 3rd year to give up on him they made the playoffs that year behind Kirk Cousins.  Rookie's don't kill your cap anymore... you can take your shot (especially when you have two first rounders in this draft so at most are giving up one more year) and if 3 years down the line it hasn't worked out you move on.  

 

I am with Kirby in any event... I think Rosen's floor is a Dalton / Tannehill type NFL starter and you can make the playoffs with that.  I think it is very, very unlikely that he completely busts.

Edited February 15, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Domdab99]

Some points:

 

• Rosen isn't rich. His parents are. 
• The only QBs worth moving up for are Rosen and Mayfield. They are so far ahead of the others in every metric, that I'm shocked when I hear Darnold might be going No. 1.
• Darnold and Allen are the Lockers, Hackenbergs, and Glennons of this draft. 
• Jackson is a sleeper. If the Bills stood pat, I wouldn't mind if they took him at 21.
• Rudolph is the enigma. He has talent but hasn't really shown it, and his numbers are not great. I wouldn't touch him in the first round.
• The Browns or the Giants taking Barkley is just retarded. Stop it. 
• Everyone is assuming that the Colts aren't in the market for a QB. They very well could be. 
• giants would be stupid not to take Rosen at 2. Eli is old and declining. But I hope they don't!

*****

Here's where we stand:

 

Either sign Cousins and keep our picks to fill out the team, but don't have any cap room left to go after any major FAs. 

 

or

 

Give up a kings ransom in draft picks to move up to 2, draft Rosen or Mayfield (If the Bills do this to draft anyone else, I !@#$ing quit), but have plenty of cap room and money to sign some decent FAs that could plug some holes. 

 

What to do? It's a conundrum. If we go with Cousins, we then have to rely on the Bills' drafting prowess to improve the team. Cousins is a known quantity and will most likely be decent. How decent is the question.  On the other hand, if we give up three number 1s, Glenn, and maybe more, we may hit on our franchise guy for years to come. But there is obviously no guarantee. But we at least keep our picks and may hit another home run or two like we did with Tre. And who knows, maybe Jackson or Rudolph or one of the lesser QBs we could take in the 2nd becomes a stud. 

 

It's a tough one and I'm not going to pretend to know the answer. I just know I hate trading up and giving up so much...but it seems to have worked for the Rams and Eagles...

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Eh? 

 

They could announce to the world they are picking Darnold, Rosen, or the Prophet Mohammad, and there's not a thing any other team could do  about it. The Browns don't need to be putting out "smokescreens." 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Domdab99

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

They could announce to the world they are picking Darnold, Rosen, or the Prophet Mohammad, and there's not a thing any other team could do  about it. The Browns don't need to be putting out "smokescreens." 

 

Where did I suggest the Browns were putting out smokescreens?  I just didn't understand how you comment related to the post of mine you quoted.  

[Domdab99]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Where did I suggest the Browns were putting out smokescreens?  I just didn't understand how you comment related to the post of mine you quoted.  

 

Hmmm, someone did, maybe I clicked the wrong button! 

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Not sure what you mean by "clean draft." But GMs getting their franchise QB in their first draft are actually a fairly common thing. Makes perfect sense, really, and seems very likely that it's why McD acquired the extra picks in the first place.

 

Whether the guy they want will be available is another question, of course, as is how far we'll be able to trade up.

Clean draft = No Whaley or his Team to blame or praise in this draft. We know who is running the show.
 Apologize for lack of clarity ^^

 

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

It is statistically almost impossible to have another 17 year drought regardless of the Bills' decision.

 

If Rosen is the next great QB, we might win 4 Superbowls.  

It was almost statistically impossible to have the 17 year drought to begin with !

[MrEpsYtown]

One thing on smokescreens is that typically, the news you hear early in draft season is often closer to the truth than what you hear close to the draft. Smokescreen season hasn't technically started yet and you kind of see that pick up after the combine. This early report and the way it is framed actually seems pretty possible. Just my 2 cents. 

 

Plus remember, this is according to NFL sources. We did have Brain Gaine leave and Lake Dawson go on some interviews, so when you have your front office people out and about around the league, sometimes news can be spread around a bit. 

[McBean]

Sign Bradford to a short term deal and trade the house for Rosen. 

 

We got the monkey off our back last year with the drought, I don’t mind waiting for 1-2 years to retool the roster, contracts, and get some youth on this team.

 

The goal is to build a consistent winner, not get lucky once every 17 years. It starts with the QB...

 

 

[H2o]

21 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Based on past trades it'd be something along the lines of picks 21, 22, & 96 this year, and our 1st & 3rd next year. Using the below chart and a 130% multiplier for the team moving up those picks get it done. 

That's a hefty price tag, but the only two QB's I would want out of this draft are Mayfield or Rosen so I would be happy even still. 

[BigBuff423]

2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Some points:

 

• Rosen isn't rich. His parents are. 
• The only QBs worth moving up for are Rosen and Mayfield. They are so far ahead of the others in every metric, that I'm shocked when I hear Darnold might be going No. 1.
• Darnold and Allen are the Lockers, Hackenbergs, and Glennons of this draft. 
• Jackson is a sleeper. If the Bills stood pat, I wouldn't mind if they took him at 21.
• Rudolph is the enigma. He has talent but hasn't really shown it, and his numbers are not great. I wouldn't touch him in the first round.
• The Browns or the Giants taking Barkley is just retarded. Stop it. 
• Everyone is assuming that the Colts aren't in the market for a QB. They very well could be. 
• giants would be stupid not to take Rosen at 2. Eli is old and declining. But I hope they don't!

*****

Here's where we stand:

 

Either sign Cousins and keep our picks to fill out the team, but don't have any cap room left to go after any major FAs. 

 

or

 

Give up a kings ransom in draft picks to move up to 2, draft Rosen or Mayfield (If the Bills do this to draft anyone else, I !@#$ing quit), but have plenty of cap room and money to sign some decent FAs that could plug some holes. 

 

What to do? It's a conundrum. If we go with Cousins, we then have to rely on the Bills' drafting prowess to improve the team. Cousins is a known quantity and will most likely be decent. How decent is the question.  On the other hand, if we give up three number 1s, Glenn, and maybe more, we may hit on our franchise guy for years to come. But there is obviously no guarantee. But we at least keep our picks and may hit another home run or two like we did with Tre. And who knows, maybe Jackson or Rudolph or one of the lesser QBs we could take in the 2nd becomes a stud. 

 

It's a tough one and I'm not going to pretend to know the answer. I just know I hate trading up and giving up so much...but it seems to have worked for the Rams and Eagles...

 

They could announce to the world they are picking Darnold, Rosen, or the Prophet Mohammad, and there's not a thing any other team could do  about it. The Browns don't need to be putting out "smokescreens." 

 

The bolded statement demonstrates to me, you haven't really done your homework. Here's a link to help: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html

 

This information shows the following:

1. 3 year starter with his Sophmore year producing 3770 yards, 21 TDs, 9 INTs, Rating of 149.1 & 62.3% completion rate

                                          Junior year - 4091 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INTS, 158.9 Rating, & 63.4% completion rate

                                           Senior year - 4904 yards, 37 TDs, 9 INTs, 170.6 Rating, & 65% completion rate

2. He won the Johnny Unitas Award over Baker Mayfield, showing countless professionals think he was very productive

3. He IMPROVED each year in nearly every category except INTs and that came with a 2:1 ratio of improvement, re: TD:INT - which means, he's STILL getting even better

4. He threw for nearly 5,000 yards in his Senior year ....that's not productive?

 

The argument against Rudy has been his arm strength, but to me, that comes from people who haven't watched him in various situations, taking the popular narrative without forming their own opinion, or in some cases I just disagree based on what I see.

 

The legit concern is his holding the ball when he gets pushed in the pocket and moves out of the pocket to escape, as I don't like how he holds the ball and it can lead to fumbles, which is reckless. But, IF that's my only real concern, I note it, indicate we need to work on it, and take him at 21 and don't look back. 

                                                                  

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by BigBuff423

[billsherd]

I think bills will trade up for sure. 

[Gordio]

13 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

The bolded statement demonstrates to me, you haven't really done your homework. Here's a link to help: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html

 

This information shows the following:

1. 3 year starter with his Sophmore year producing 3770 yards, 21 TDs, 9 INTs, Rating of 149.1 & 62.3% completion rate

                                          Junior year - 4091 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INTS, 158.9 Rating, & 63.4% completion rate

                                           Senior year - 4904 yards, 37 TDs, 9 INTs, 170.6 Rating, & 65% completion rate

2. He won the Johnny Unitas Award of Baker Mayfield, showing countless professionals think he was very productive

3. He IMPROVED each year in nearly every category except INTs and that came with a 2:1 ratio of improvement, re: TD:INT - which means, he's STILL getting even better

4. He threw for nearly 5,000 yards....that's not productive?

 

The argument against Rudy has been his arm strength, but to me, that comes from people who haven't watched him in various situations, taking the popular narrative without forming their own opinion, or in some cases I just disagree based on what I see.

 

The legit concern is his holding the ball when he gets pushed in the pocket and moves out of the pocket to escape, as I don't like how he holds the ball and it can lead to fumbles, which is reckless. But, IF that's my only real concern, I note it, indicate we need to work on it, and take him at 21 and don't look back. 

                                                                  

 

 

 

Thank you.  How could anybody say this kid has not been productive.  Watch the film, the kid has plenty of arm strength.  If he is there at #21 I honestly hope the Bills run to the podium with his name on the card. 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

The bolded statement demonstrates to me, you haven't really done your homework. Here's a link to help: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html

 

This information shows the following:

1. 3 year starter with his Sophmore year producing 3770 yards, 21 TDs, 9 INTs, Rating of 149.1 & 62.3% completion rate

                                          Junior year - 4091 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INTS, 158.9 Rating, & 63.4% completion rate

                                           Senior year - 4904 yards, 37 TDs, 9 INTs, 170.6 Rating, & 65% completion rate

2. He won the Johnny Unitas Award over Baker Mayfield, showing countless professionals think he was very productive

3. He IMPROVED each year in nearly every category except INTs and that came with a 2:1 ratio of improvement, re: TD:INT - which means, he's STILL getting even better

4. He threw for nearly 5,000 yards in his Senior year ....that's not productive?

 

The argument against Rudy has been his arm strength, but to me, that comes from people who haven't watched him in various situations, taking the popular narrative without forming their own opinion, or in some cases I just disagree based on what I see.

 

The legit concern is his holding the ball when he gets pushed in the pocket and moves out of the pocket to escape, as I don't like how he holds the ball and it can lead to fumbles, which is reckless. But, IF that's my only real concern, I note it, indicate we need to work on it, and take him at 21 and don't look back. 

                                                                  

 

 

You and I disagree regarding his arm strength/his game in general, but yeah...I don't know how anybody can question his productivity. Outside of Mayfield and maybe Lamar, I'm not sure there was a more productive QB in the country. He was an incredible college player.

[MrEpsYtown]

Every thread inevitably seems to turn into a Mason Rudolph/Baker Mayfield thread. 

 

I thought we were talking about Josh Rosen...