Paul Costa Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I’m a little surprised that McDaniels is taking the Indy job. There were several higher profile jobs available. It seems that they are in total rebuild and that’s what he wants. I guess he doesn’t want another Denver debacle. That being said they have the third pick in the draft. If their QB is there do they trade Andrew Luck. His future is realistically cloudy. And if this is a possibility do the Bills offer our two first round picks for Luck. It is a big risk giving up that much for damaged goods. Although many will think this is a no brainer for Buffalo or Indy will want a lot more in return. Not sure about that . Doesn’t seem like McDermott and Beene are risk takers? I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than that for Luck and his recent history ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Indy will be drafting "their QB" in april? why would they trade luck? not a likely scenario, not likely at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 he took that job because the ALREADY have a good QB. people forget how good Luck was when healthy because it's been a few seasons but he is still young and with a good offensive coach and some support he can be very good again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The real question is why Matt Patricia took the Detroit job over the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 If they keep Luck, they are a big trade up prospect. They need OL help, they could use the picks from trading down and we can ship them Cordy Glenn. 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The real question is why Matt Patricia took the Detroit job over the Giants. Lower expectations, less media sensationalism, and steady QB situation with some good young talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I’m a little surprised that McDaniels is taking the Indy job. There were several higher profile jobs available. It seems that they are in total rebuild and that’s what he wants. I guess he doesn’t want another Denver debacle. That being said they have the third pick in the draft. If their QB is there do they trade Andrew Luck. His future is realistically cloudy. And if this is a possibility do the Bills offer our two first round picks for Luck. It is a big risk giving up that much for damaged goods. Although many will think this is a no brainer for Buffalo or Indy will want a lot more in return. Not sure about that . Doesn’t seem like McDermott and Beene are risk takers? I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than that for Luck and his recent history ? If we can get a healthy Andruw Luck at a reasonable price I would do it. Don't think there would be any question with Beane either. The problem is will anybody really trust that he is healthy? Big decision for Indy, has it already been made? They could perhaps get Josh Rosen and trade Luck for picks and be on their way. Much cheaper option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The real question is why Matt Patricia took the Detroit job over the Giants. To me it's a no-brainer. The Detroit Lions are in a division where only 1 team appears to be a serious contender year in/year out - the Green Bay Packers. And that will only last a couple of more years with Aaron Rodgers. The NFC East has Wentz in Philly and Zeek/Dak in Dallas, and they all just entered the league. If I'm a coach, I don't want to have to compete vs that 4 games every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Total hypothetical: - If you were the Colts would you trade Luck to the Bills for Glenn, 21,22 and a 2019 1st? - If you were the Bills would you do that? I would in a second as a Bills fan. It makes some sense for the Colts too if the Giants or Browns don’t go QB. They can get Rosen or Darnold, their LT and 3 1sts. I don’t think that the Colts would do it but it isn’t that crazy. They are years from winning as their roster is trash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The real question is why Matt Patricia took the Detroit job over the Giants. Eli Manning 37, Matt Stafford 29. plus as mentioned less scrutiny in detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: Eli Manning 37, Matt Stafford 29. plus as mentioned less scrutiny in detroit yup With an aging QB in Eli, Patricia will also have to be the coach that is remembered for cutting the 2-time SB MVP QB. I would want nothing to do with that responsibility and scrutiny from the NY media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Indy will be drafting "their QB" in april? why would they trade luck? not a likely scenario, not likely at all. ....um right...LOL.....why maybe Josh gets REAL bold and releases Luck to make room for his former 1st round pick at #25 right outta the booth....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Total hypothetical: - If you were the Colts would you trade Luck to the Bills for Glenn, 21,22 and a 2019 1st? - If you were the Bills would you do that? I would in a second as a Bills fan. It makes some sense for the Colts too if the Giants or Browns don’t go QB. They can get Rosen or Darnold, their LT and 3 1sts. I don’t think that the Colts would do it but it isn’t that crazy. They are years from winning as their roster is trash. ABSOLUTELY! don't get my hopes up like that. people forget Luck is only 28 and is fresh assuming his shoulder issues are taken care of. he can play another 10 yrs + easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: If they keep Luck, they are a big trade up prospect. They need OL help, they could use the picks from trading down and we can ship them Cordy Glenn. Lower expectations, less media sensationalism, and steady QB situation with some good young talent. Considering where he's coming from, I doubt he's concerned about media sensationalism. 4 minutes ago, bobobonators said: To me it's a no-brainer. The Detroit Lions are in a division where only 1 team appears to be a serious contender year in/year out - the Green Bay Packers. And that will only last a couple of more years with Aaron Rodgers. The NFC East has Wentz in Philly and Zeek/Dak in Dallas, and they all just entered the league. If I'm a coach, I don't want to have to compete vs that 4 games every season. Yeah, but the Giants are about to draft the next Wentz or Dak (who's bubble is already starting to burst). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Total hypothetical: - If you were the Colts would you trade Luck to the Bills for Glenn, 21,22 and a 2019 1st? If I'm the Bills there is zero chance I'm giving up 3 1sts and a starting LT for Andrew Luck, especially with the shoulder concerns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 They have the best qb of the available jobs so it is the best job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: If I'm the Bills there is zero chance I'm giving up 3 1sts and a starting LT for Andrew Luck, especially with the shoulder concerns. I agree. Way too expensive for Luck. Maybe a first, a second, and a player (Glenn in this situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 No way they trade Luck. If Luck is healthy, Indi is a very attractive opening. I can see the Colts being very good in a couple years with the combination of McDaniels and a healthy Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Considering where he's coming from, I doubt he's concerned about media sensationalism. Yeah, but the Giants are about to draft the next Wentz or Dak (who's bubble is already starting to burst). They do have a good draft spot but he would still be responsible for having to deal with the Eli situation. He would be taking a job which would automatically have a controversy at the QB position with the debate of keeping the aging Eli, drafting a QB, and cutting Eli, or keeping Eli, drafting a QB and then answering QB questions for the next 2 seasons after every press conference. The Lions have their QB and they're in a division that might be easier to win in the coming years. That's just how I view it. Who knows, he probably just clicked better with the Detroit Lions ownership/management team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkwoodus13 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Andrew Luck is not Tom Brady or Payton Manning... Glenn, 2 first, and next year first for a damage QB, making 25 million a year.. Ridiculous... That would the BILLS back years.. how stupid would are we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Total hypothetical: - If you were the Colts would you trade Luck to the Bills for Glenn, 21,22 and a 2019 1st? - If you were the Bills would you do that? I would in a second as a Bills fan. It makes some sense for the Colts too if the Giants or Browns don’t go QB. They can get Rosen or Darnold, their LT and 3 1sts. I don’t think that the Colts would do it but it isn’t that crazy. They are years from winning as their roster is trash. I think for the price tag you just mentioned we could get the #1 overall pick....at the very least 2 overall. I’d rather do that and take our own guy than Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: I think for the price tag you just mentioned we could get the #1 overall pick....at the very least 2 overall. I’d rather do that and take our own guy than Luck. I would think that you could get Darnold or Rosen for that price as well. For me, I’d prefer Luck (if healthy). I have been one of his toughest critics but you can win with him. His Colts team is atrocious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, bobobonators said: To me it's a no-brainer. The Detroit Lions are in a division where only 1 team appears to be a serious contender year in/year out - the Green Bay Packers. And that will only last a couple of more years with Aaron Rodgers. The NFC East has Wentz in Philly and Zeek/Dak in Dallas, and they all just entered the league. If I'm a coach, I don't want to have to compete vs that 4 games every season. Plus Lions GM Bob Quinn is a Pats lifer (worked for them from 2000 to 2015) so one would imagine he would already be on the same page as Patricia. Lions have Stafford plus some quality pieces on the D, they made the playoffs in 2016 like the Giants, and they had a stiff in the sidelines for the last few years, it's not going to be that hard to get that thing rolling hard in the right direction. IMO if you don't worry about "markets" that's the best job available this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I live in Indiana. Irsay is a nut. Its not beyond reason to assume the Colts could do almost anything here. Even though Grigson is long gone, the team is known for their head-scratching moves. It wouldn't surprise me to see them trade luck for a couple of punters. LOL Seriously, if Irsay and his minions are enamored with a shiny new toy, they might just do it. Its clear that Irsay is NOT enamored with Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paul Costa said: I’m a little surprised that McDaniels is taking the Indy job. There were several higher profile jobs available. It seems that they are in total rebuild and that’s what he wants. I guess he doesn’t want another Denver debacle. That being said they have the third pick in the draft. If their QB is there do they trade Andrew Luck. His future is realistically cloudy. And if this is a possibility do the Bills offer our two first round picks for Luck. It is a big risk giving up that much for damaged goods. Although many will think this is a no brainer for Buffalo or Indy will want a lot more in return. Not sure about that . Doesn’t seem like McDermott and Beene are risk takers? I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than that for Luck and his recent history ? https://www.milehighreport.com/2010/11/27/1838850/denver-broncos-josh-mcdaniels-fined-50000-for-spygate-ii-incident http://bleacherreport.com/articles/529119-spygate-ii-there-is-a-bigger-link-between-the-patriots-broncos-and-mcdaniels https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/josh-mcdaniels-spygate-2-denver-broncos-112910 Quote:The hilarious part of this story is that 49ers coach Mike Singletary, whose coaching has been questioned on a lot of levels this season, was smart enough to run nothing but insignificant or dummy plays during this six-minute walk-through. Why? Because he didn’t trust McDaniels. He had a suspicion that he was a cheater. Yes, guilt by association. Edited January 27, 2018 by MILFHUNTER#518 Added links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would think that you could get Darnold or Rosen for that price as well. For me, I’d prefer Luck (if healthy). I have been one of his toughest critics but you can win with him. His Colts team is atrocious. Luck is a double edged sword. The Colts know more about him than any team. If they are willing to trade him that's a massive red flag and should severely lower his price. If they are comfortable with his recovery and long term outlook, they aren't trading him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: he took that job because the ALREADY have a good QB. people forget how good Luck was when healthy because it's been a few seasons but he is still young and with a good offensive coach and some support he can be very good again A few seasons? It's only been one year. He played 15 games in 2016 and had a great year. I don't think anyone forgets. His price should be pretty hefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Luck is a double edged sword. The Colts know more about him than any team. If they are willing to trade him that's a massive red flag and should severely lower his price. If they are comfortable with his recovery and long term outlook, they aren't trading him. Probably true and it would be contingent on your medical team’s assessment. The only other consideration is Irsay and his comments this year. That idiot is capable of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Probably true and it would be contingent on your medical team’s assessment. The only other consideration is Irsay and his comments this year. That idiot is capable of anything. I completely agree, but I think it's much more likely they put the #3 pick on the block, frankly I'd be shocked if they didn't. Unless teams really sour on these QBs the Browns / Giants / Colts either have to take a QB or trade their picks for a bounty of picks, to do otherwise is just bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: I agree. Way too expensive for Luck. Maybe a first, a second, and a player (Glenn in this situation). i agree. i'd even give tt the bonus and throw him in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Luck is a double edged sword. The Colts know more about him than any team. If they are willing to trade him that's a massive red flag and should severely lower his price. If they are comfortable with his recovery and long term outlook, they aren't trading him. This right here. If the Colts want to move on I would suspect there is a reason. At that point he's damaged goods to the point where I wouldn't even take a chance sending a 3rd to them let alone 2 1sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 he's missed 26 of the last 48 games. I wouldn't trade for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The real question is why Matt Patricia took the Detroit job over the Giants. Staffiord infoors no pressure compared to ny could be the first guy to win in det dont have to deal with Wentz for 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I hear bills will be going after luck. Their first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Total hypothetical: - If you were the Colts would you trade Luck to the Bills for Glenn, 21,22 and a 2019 1st? - If you were the Bills would you do that? I would in a second as a Bills fan. It makes some sense for the Colts too if the Giants or Browns don’t go QB. They can get Rosen or Darnold, their LT and 3 1sts. I don’t think that the Colts would do it but it isn’t that crazy. They are years from winning as their roster is trash. No. Serious shoulder issues can be tricky business. I know that from personal experience. As a quarterback, once he's supposedly healthy the results of healing could include an adjustment of his arm angle for delivering the ball. There may be other possible mechanical problems arising. Also, shoulder injuries can also raise neck mobility concerns, especially when arthritis sets in. It's not worth the price or the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, HOF4LOU said: I hear bills will be going after luck. Their first choice. Is that from a source or a voice inside your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victory Formation Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 If Luck's shoulder is healthy, I don't see McDaniels trading him. Luck was probably the main reason he took the job in the first place. If they were open to trading Luck, I'd have questions about Luck's shoulder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would think that you could get Darnold or Rosen for that price as well. For me, I’d prefer Luck (if healthy). I have been one of his toughest critics but you can win with him. His Colts team is atrocious. I certainly do like your belief that they need to do what it takes to get a QB. It has been way too long. We have the capital to make this purchase. Don’t cheap out. Edited January 27, 2018 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The Colts are the same franchise that lost Peyton Manning, who then went on to be just fine with the Broncos. Fast forward a few years and substitute Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, kdiggz said: ABSOLUTELY! don't get my hopes up like that. people forget Luck is only 28 and is fresh assuming his shoulder issues are taken care of. he can play another 10 yrs + easily It would be like getting brees from San Diego... but a little riskier due to the draft picks. id be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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