BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I thought it would be interesting to see how many people think the league riggs it for the Pats to win. I put a yes or no option, although here’s my opinion on it. I voted no, but I do think there a couple factors that makes the officials flag happy when it comes to The opponents playing the Pats. 1. Home field. I don’t have any stats to back this up , but Pats usually play at home in the playoffs and they probably get more calls because of that. In basketball it’s a proven fact that home teams get more calls. Not sure about football, this is just an estimated guess. 2. Brady’s reputation. Any 50/50 call is most likely going to go Brady’s way , especially on pass interference calls or roughing the passer. In saying that, it doesn’t explain the lack of calls against the Pats as a whole. So what do you guys think overall? Do you think the league wants the Pats to win because of higher ratings or whatever the reason may be? Or do you mostly agree with me and think they are very lucky as well? Edited January 22, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I didn’t see much of anything to get upset with in the game. The one play that had the potential to be controversial(the fumble) was upheld like it should have been. They played good disciplined football to end that game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I voted yes...just for the hell of it. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 It’s not a conspiracy in the sense that there’s a coordinated effort to tilt the field toward the Pats. It’s more like how top NBA athletes get calls that lower profile guys don’t, and are called for fouls at a much lower rate. The difference is that it’s their entire team getting the benefit of the doubt, and often in situations that swing the balance of the game in their favor. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I didn’t see much of anything to get upset with in the game. The one play that had the potential to be controversial(the fumble) was upheld like it should have been. They played good disciplined football to end that game. The PI at the end of the first half was questionable, plus the huge difference in penalties/yardage. 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: It’s not a conspiracy in the sense that there’s a coordinated effort to tilt the field toward the Pats. It’s more like how top NBA athletes get calls that lower profile guys don’t, and are called for fouls at a much lower rate. The difference is that it’s their entire team getting the benefit of the doubt, and often in situations that swing the balance of the game in their favor. I see it pretty similar to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: The PI at the end of the first half was questionable, plus the huge difference in penalties/yardage. There most definitely was a huge difference in the yardage. But I think the pats honestly just played a cleaner game than the jags. I personally had no issue with the PI to end the half. There have definitely been games where the fix(which I don’t believe is a “thing”) seemed to be on. I just don’t think this was one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNICE Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 C. Who cares. I’m tired of all things Pats. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) They are more talented and better coached and more driven to win than everone else. that tends to win Edited January 22, 2018 by row_33 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I thought it would be interesting to see how many people think the league riggs it for the Pats to win. I put a yes or no option, although here’s my opinion on it. I voted no, but I do think there a couple factors that makes the officials flag happy when it comes to The opponents playing the Pats. 1. Home field. I don’t have any stats to back this up , but Pats usually play at home in the playoffs and they probably get more calls because of that. In basketball it’s a proven fact that home teams get more calls. Not sure about football, this is just an estimated guess. 2. Brady’s reputation. Any 50/50 call is most likely going to go Brady’s way , especially on pass interference calls or roughing the passer. In saying that, it doesn’t explain the lack of calls against the Pats as a whole. So what do you guys think overall? Do you think the league wants the Pats to win because of higher ratings or whatever the reason may be? Or do you mostly agree with me and think they are very lucky as well? Perfect pool for the Trump era, where undeniable facts are called "fake." Watch the f'in games. TB executes without help, end of story. Cry in your beer and go to bed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, zonabb said: Perfect pool for the Trump era, where undeniable facts are called "fake." Watch the f'in games. TB executes without help, end of story. Cry in your beer and go to bed. What in gods name are you talking about? If you read my post, I said "No". Appreciate your respectful and insightful message though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think the Pats have cheated and continue to cheat. The last thing the league wants is another major scandal, so the Pats adopt a “too big to fail” attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I don’t necessarily think it’s the league with a conspiracy (more likely the team itself, which has been caught cheating twice now), but there’s definitely something funny going on there..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Great teams get more favorable officiating, in every sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I used to think the players were involved (and it might happen during the Super Bowl), but now I believe it's like Tim Donaghy said, it's just the league and the refs. To understand how a game is easily fixed by making the opposing team make more plays than the other team, watch this. The delay of game calls in particular are unexplainable. It's time to wake up. It hurts, but better to know than to remain ignorant. After watching the video, you will understand how the Pats came back today, and why we rarely beat the Pats. Edited January 22, 2018 by musichunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, zonabb said: Perfect pool for the Trump era, where undeniable facts are called "fake." Watch the f'in games. TB executes without help, end of story. Cry in your beer and go to bed. The only two playoff games in history a team was only called for 1 penalty are both Patriot wins in their recent run. Last 5 games Pats 13 pen 110 yds Opp 35 pen 390 yds. Their noncatches are ruled catches to win games catches for Opp are ruled noncatches. Textbook blatant holding on the edge defender on the game clinching 1st down. There is no doubt the Patriots are really good but the fact they are given favorable treatment has been noticed and acknowledged beyond Patriot haters, to the point that announcers and pundits are commenting. I was not too emotionally invested in this game, but fair play is vital to integrity and I think that is being lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The best HC of all time with the best QB of all time vs. .......... Doug Marrone and Blake Bortles. The better team won. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I thought it would be interesting to see how many people think the league riggs it for the Pats to win. I put a yes or no option, although here’s my opinion on it. I voted no, but I do think there a couple factors that makes the officials flag happy when it comes to The opponents playing the Pats. 1. Home field. I don’t have any stats to back this up , but Pats usually play at home in the playoffs and they probably get more calls because of that. In basketball it’s a proven fact that home teams get more calls. Not sure about football, this is just an estimated guess. 2. Brady’s reputation. Any 50/50 call is most likely going to go Brady’s way , especially on pass interference calls or roughing the passer. In saying that, it doesn’t explain the lack of calls against the Pats as a whole. So what do you guys think overall? Do you think the league wants the Pats to win because of higher ratings or whatever the reason may be? Or do you mostly agree with me and think they are very lucky as well? Ill buy the “Jordan effect” or other subconscious biases. I don’t think it’s a league directive by any means though. Yes, I think they are favored to a degree though. I also think theres some truth to various other factors though. I think they are a well coached team that gets its players prepped for situations as well as any team in the league. I think that fans here are eager to remember the calls the pats get and forgot the calls that go against them. Yes, some go against them and I’d venture most flat remember none. Part of that is they are a good team and still win. Part is people want to believe in the conspiracy. i think people have started pointing at good calls as proof of bias. When you are so riled up that every call is proof even when it’s the right call — it certainly feels like they are always getting the breaks. When you add up a natural bias from refs towards stars, bias of our fans against them, and also them just being really good— things start feeling really skewed when they are probably just a little off kilter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Success said: Great teams get more favorable officiating, in every sport. Because they are more aggressive and stronger and more creative and dominant so they deserve the benefit of the doubt As happens in real life as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I would state that it is not a conspiracy but the absurd nature of every team they play receive more penalties than any other games of the year. Jax had about 120 yds of penalites there past 3 games combined but had almost that many today. The officials are not corrupt but almost incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Is a frog's ass watertight? Of course there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Ill buy the “Jordan effect” or other subconscious biases. I don’t think it’s a league directive by any means though. Yes, I think they are favored to a degree though. I also think theres some truth to various other factors though. I think they are a well coached team that gets its players prepped for situations as well as any team in the league. I think that fans here are eager to remember the calls the pats get and forgot the calls that go against them. Yes, some go against them and I’d venture most flat remember none. Part of that is they are a good team and still win. Part is people want to believe in the conspiracy. i think people have started pointing at good calls as proof of bias. When you are so riled up that every call is proof even when it’s the right call — it certainly feels like they are always getting the breaks. When you add up a natural bias from refs towards stars, bias of our fans against them, and also them just being really good— things start feeling really skewed when they are probably just a little off kilter Very good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Because they are more aggressive and stronger and more creative and dominant so they deserve the benefit of the doubt As happens in real life as well No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gugny said: The best HC of all time with the best QB of all time vs. .......... Doug Marrone and Blake Bortles. The better team won. I think it was a pretty evenly played game. Pats seemed to make a few more plays/got a few more calls when it mattered the most. By no means am I saying the game was rigged as I don't think it was, but it is getting a bit tiring seeing teams racking up huge penalty yardage every game compared to NE's low penalty yardage Edited January 22, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 No... I think it's actually bad for the league that the Pats win every year, parity is what makes people watch and from what I hear the numbers are down, even a little bit down and that could be a matter of millions for the high rollers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Gugny said: The best HC of all time with the best QB of all time vs. .......... Doug Marrone and Blake Bortles. The better team won. Overall they’re far superior, I agree, but on this particular Sunday they were outgained, dominated in time of possession, and lost the turnover battle to Doug Marrone and Blake Bortles’ team. They weren’t better today and didn’t deserve nearly a field’s worth of penalty yard discrepancy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: By no means am I saying the game was rigged as I don't think it was, but it is getting a bit tiring seeing teams racking up huge penalty yardage every game compared to NE's low penalty yardage I am. What a CRAAAAAZZZZYYYY coincidence that it keeps happening to one team at the end of 2nd and 4th quarters. All you non haters are blind as bats. When the PEDs hit the fan I'll serve you antibiotic stuffed crow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Not again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said: I am. What a CRAAAAAZZZZYYYY coincidence that it keeps happening to one team at the end of 2nd and 4th quarters. All you non haters are blind as bats. When the PEDs hit the fan I'll serve you antibiotic stuffed crow. Sorry that we differ a bit on our opinions. You may very well be right. Just personally don’t believe it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I have not seen any compelling evidence to suggest NFL games have been rigged. I do think this sort of thing is conceptually very possible, and you most certainly can control the outcome of games, with a fair degree of certainty, simply by controlling a few key calls at critical times in the game. Many big time sports leagues around the world have fallen victim to this and perhaps it is a matter of time before the NFL suffers a similar fiasco. The question I would have is where is the motive? Who is going to benefit from the game fixing? The owners are already billionaires. Usually the motive is bookies controlling the gambling and they control the game by giving a lot of money to the referee, who is willing to take the bribe b/c the money is much greater than he is making through legitimate means. Not sure that set of facts lines up with forces surrounding modern NFL play though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So, no doubt the pats are really good. But I have never, in any sport, seen a team benefit more from officiating than the pats. The fumble recovery by Mack should have been a TD. He started running after recovering and was blown dead. But the wasn't touched by pats after recovery. Should have been been a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: The PI at the end of the first half was questionable, plus the huge difference in penalties/yardage. Even before the PI, there was the play when the guy was tackled in bounds (or at least it appeared that way), but the clock was stopped. Calls like that make a big difference. Edited January 22, 2018 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, row_33 said: They are more talented and better coached and more driven to win than everone else. that tends to win Yup. However, you can't tell me the NFL doesn't badly want it's marquee players and marquee teams playing in the Super Bowl. It's not exclusive to the NFL. Does anyone think the NBA wants the Warriors or Cavs upset in the first round of the playoffs? Think MLB is happy the Yankees are back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So there's always a conspiracy unless it's against Eli Manning and the NYG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So there's always a conspiracy unless it's against Eli Manning and the NYG? Rockefeller ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: I saw that too. Such a bad look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Bruce Irvin retweeted that and stated that tap by the ref was meet me in the locker room for my payment tap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 For the love of God, no. This board is having a real moment right now. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Kraft has Goodell and the Refs in his back pocket. They play it out like ole Rog is against them, but I truly believe it is quite the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: For the love of God, no. This board is having a real moment right now. Sheesh. How dare people question the integrity of a franchise with such deep respect for the rules of the game? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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