T&C Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Delta airlines has taken a stand and stores/other places need to follow... random animals everywhere, in shopping carts, restaurant seats, etc. Leave the pet skunk at home. Certification/vaccination/ documents etc. should be standard everywhere imo. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/19/delta-sets-more-stringent-requirements-for-support-animals-on-board.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was listening to a NPR show recently where they were discussing emotional support animals. Essentially, they were saying that anyone can easily go online and have just about any animal “certified” as an emotional support animal for a fee of a couple hundred bucks. They took several callers, and a few of them flat out admitted that they got their dogs/cats certified purely because it was cheaper than paying for them to fly the regular way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Untrained animals allowed on flights becoming an issue? Who could have forseen this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, seregil42 said: Untrained animals allowed on flights becoming an issue? Who could have forseen this? Samuel L Jackson? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Good. I was flying one time, the girl in front of me had a small dog in a baby stroller, wearing a "Service Animal" vest. There was a web address on the vest, so while boarding I looked it up. It was one of the fake SA sites, she bought the vest for about $65. For more money, they'd also provide the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Good. I was flying one time, the girl in front of me had a small dog in a baby stroller, wearing a "Service Animal" vest. There was a web address on the vest, so while boarding I looked it up. It was one of the fake SA sites, she bought the vest for about $65. For more money, they'd also provide the letter. That reminds me of something. I'm going over to the Pet Peeves Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 It’s a shame what goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 "only documented service animals will be allowed beyond this point"... the front door of anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I make it a point to ask people when I see them with service animals why they have them. And if it looks like it's somebody who served, I generally say thank you for your service. I usually a wait their response before having the standard in answers. Either I'm needing one myself for a family member, I support the plight of those with the service animal issue, I'm in PETA, or just downright make fun of them. Who would've ever figured I'm kind of an !@#$?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Did someone say animal crackers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ever seen someone ride around their beloved nasty poodle in a shopping cart for an hour... pay, and then leave. If you didn't see it happen you have no idea that mr. kissyface has left his funk all over that cart. Yeah... let me throw some groceries in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 We used to buy an extra seat for our pooch (not a service animal) even though he couldn't come up on the seat itself - we could pull him out to the foot space area and open the carry on case (all I could think of it getting stuck next to someone who is afraid of dogs - he has hair, so allergies were not an issue so could not see not buying a second seat). We had to have shot paperwork for him (he's rabies titered now, and so he is no longer eligible to fly). While I understand not forcing the purchase of a second seat for a service animal, I can't imagine why they were not subject to the same shot paperwork a non-service dog is subject to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's my rough estimate, with no research that 70% of the people that take their animals around and treat them like humans are exploiting the system. Aside from blind people and those with severe ptsd, and those that are training service dogs there's no reason to bring animals into most public situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 18 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Samuel L Jackson? I saw that, and they were "service" snakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 17 hours ago, T&C said: "only documented service animals will be allowed beyond this point"... the front door of anywhere. DISCRIMINATION!!! What if they were born in the USA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Yeah, I know someone who claims their dog is a "support animal" so they don't have to pay when they fly to their vacation home. That **** isn't impressive. Edited January 20, 2018 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 22 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I was listening to a NPR show recently where they were discussing emotional support animals. Essentially, they were saying that anyone can easily go online and have just about any animal “certified” as an emotional support animal for a fee of a couple hundred bucks. They took several callers, and a few of them flat out admitted that they got their dogs/cats certified purely because it was cheaper than paying for them to fly the regular way. It also lets you write them off on your taxes, as medical expenses. I always preferred the "fake SSN" route myself. Bigger deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 This is hilarious. https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I just saw some lady got snagged for trying to bring a support peacock on a plane. Said lady should be bludgeoned with the peacock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I just saw some lady got snagged for trying to bring a support peacock on a plane. Said lady should be bludgeoned with the peacock. I saw that too but was too lazy busy to post. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airplane-mode/emotional-support-peacock-denied-flight-united-airlines-n842971 Looked like someone trying to get their 15 minutes of fame: “We explained this to the customer on three separate occasions before they arrived at the airport,” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 4:51 PM, Boyst62 said: Who would've ever figured I'm kind of an !@#$?????? *hand slowly raising....* 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 15 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I just saw some lady got snagged for trying to bring a support peacock on a plane. Said lady should be bludgeoned with the peacock. Was she Afghani? You know they are really into birds in Afghanistan and they are very war torn there. Maybe the lady was suffering? Now you want to bludgeon poor war torn traumatized lady. Wow... Really compassionate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 To counterpoint this discussion on fake service / companion animals, take a moment to check out Canine Companions for Independence (CCI). They do the real, good work. http://www.cci.org 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2018/02/08/after-learning-support-hamster-couldnt-fly-texas-state-student-flushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Well if she got a response on the mistake she has ammunition for lawsuit which is why companies never try to admit anything. I had it in writing from a company on company letterhead and their argument was (1) it could be a phony letter and when I provided letter was told (2) an unauthorized person could have mailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I saw a couple with a monster sized Great Dane in Lowe’s last week. Legit? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I saw a couple with a monster sized Great Dane in Lowe’s last week. Legit? Who knows? I see dogs in places like Home Depot where I would never think to take my dog. I think people need to stop gaming the system! It’s just wrong! Only MY dog is worthy of such special treatment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Saw a fake service dog at the mall today. How do I know it was fake? Simple, the owner was letting kids pet it. My parents raised guide dogs for the blind so I know one of the big rules is not allowing people to pet it while it is "working". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 12:21 PM, LabattBlue said: I saw a couple with a monster sized Great Dane in Lowe’s last week. Legit? Who knows? Home Depot and Lowes allow dogs. Doesn't have to be a service dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On February 2, 2018 at 6:31 AM, Seasons1992 said: *hand slowly raising....* Oh my hand's been up for a long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 http://m.startribune.com/lawmakers-aim-to-crack-down-on-fake-service-animals/476303273/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 12:29 PM, Just Jack said: Saw a fake service dog at the mall today. How do I know it was fake? Simple, the owner was letting kids pet it. My parents raised guide dogs for the blind so I know one of the big rules is not allowing people to pet it while it is "working". Not all service dogs are under the same rules. We have people at work who have service dogs to help them with PTSD. People are encouraged to interact with those dogs. Just one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/dog-dies-after-united-flight-attendant-forces-it-into-overhead-bin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/dog-dies-after-united-flight-attendant-forces-it-into-overhead-bin/ I'm not reading the story but as a dog owner, there isn't a flight attendant on this planet that would be able to put my dog in an overhead bin. Every time I've airline traveled with a pet, I've talked directly to the pilot about it because my dogs are large and travel as cargo. I make sure the pilot knows my furry children are on board and that I hold them responsible for their safe passage. I have never had a single problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: I'm not reading the story but as a dog owner, there isn't a flight attendant on this planet that would be able to put my dog in an overhead bin. Every time I've airline traveled with a pet, I've talked directly to the pilot about it because my dogs are large and travel as cargo. I make sure the pilot knows my furry children are on board and that I hold them responsible for their safe passage. I have never had a single problem. what would a pilot have to do with cargo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: what would a pilot have to do with cargo? They control the climate and air pressure settings for the cargo hold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: They control the climate and air pressure settings for the cargo hold. That is not true. Cargo pressurization is automatically controlled, and is the same as the other pressurized areas of the airplane. Heat is automatic as well. There are some very minor adjustments to heat that are possible in some airplanes, but generally it's not controlled directly, but by air flow around it that is exhausted from the main cabin. Most airlines restrict summer carriage for that reason. It is simply not possible to keep the cargo compartment cool during long ground delays. What the pilots will know is whether or not the animal is in the compartment. It shows up on what is called the "closeout," which contains all the final weight numbers, and is linked to the cockpit during taxi out. It will show up as "LA aft," which means live animal in aft cargo compartment. Having a live animal restricts some kinds of other cargo from being in the same compartment, but that is all handled by the loaders. Edited March 14, 2018 by sherpa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, sherpa said: That is not true. Cargo pressurization is automatically controlled, and is the same as the other pressurized areas of the airplane. Heat is automatic as well. There are some very minor adjustments to heat that are possible in some airplanes, but generally it's not controlled directly, but by air flow around it that is exhausted from the main cabin. Most airlines restrict summer carriage for that reason. It is simply not possible to keep the cargo compartment cool during long ground delays. What the pilots will know is whether or not the animal is in the compartment. It shows up on what is called the "closeout," which contains all the final weight numbers, and is linked to the cockpit during taxi out. It will show up as "LA aft," which means live animal in aft cargo compartment. Having a live animal restricts some kinds of other cargo from being in the same compartment, but that is all handled by the loaders. Dude, like, whatever, what would you know? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, sherpa said: That is not true. Cargo pressurization is automatically controlled, and is the same as the other pressurized areas of the airplane. Heat is automatic as well. There are some very minor adjustments to heat that are possible in some airplanes, but generally it's not controlled directly, but by air flow around it that is exhausted from the main cabin. Most airlines restrict summer carriage for that reason. It is simply not possible to keep the cargo compartment cool during long ground delays. What the pilots will know is whether or not the animal is in the compartment. It shows up on what is called the "closeout," which contains all the final weight numbers, and is linked to the cockpit during taxi out. It will show up as "LA aft," which means live animal in aft cargo compartment. Having a live animal restricts some kinds of other cargo from being in the same compartment, but that is all handled by the loaders. it would be the best if this was all made up by you..... thank you for this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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