bills6969 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I’d be fine with him as long as they still get a QB in the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. Didn't he play pretty well, and play the entire season last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Seeing he is delicate as an expensive champagne glass that gets broken to pieces when it is looked at wrong, no way... This guy will get injured quicker than Kevin Kolb walking throw a car wash... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Bradford is attached to Shurmur at the hip. He might leave for a payday. Are we going to give Bradford a payday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 the knock is he has a glass jaw... He is an average QB when healthy though. And an upgrade over TT regarding passing. Gets sacked about 36 times in a full season of work.. Pure pocket passer is not going to extend plays like TT has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He's got knees like Jake Taylor. He's okay otherwise but taking a major risk with his injury history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. I'd rather go after neither and draft a new QB. If you have to bring a QB in as a FA/trade I'd rather Smith or Keenum. Cousins price tag scares me for very moderate to below moderate results and Bradford is so injured he can't be depended on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Didn't he play pretty well, and play the entire season last year? No he played 2 games for the Vikings before hurting his knee and being placed on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. All the Bills would be asking for is to get a quality free agent QB who can hold the fort down for 4-5 weeks till the 1st round rookie QB pick would be comfortable in taking over. Because in general, 1st round QBs just don't sit their whole rookie season. This is why Bradford on a one year contract would probably be one of the best options for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I dont hate it....be we HAVE to draft a QB high if we go that route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Injuries. He is a pretty good Qb he just cant stay healthy. This is what happened when they drafted Ej. They took a Qb who wasnt polished and signed Keven Kolb. kolb got eaten by the mat monster and all was left was for Ej to rush into starting. That could happen with Bradford. Worst thing to happen would be for a Qb to lose a Qb battle than for you to go back to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. As a bridge definitely, hope he can stay healthy while our rookie learns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, ddaryl said: No he played 2 games for the Vikings before hurting his knee and being placed on IR Yes, that's what he did this year. Looks like he played 15 games last year with 20 td's vs. 5 picks and a completion percentage of 71.6%. They also had a horrid oline last year. I think Sam is a great option as a bridge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. Disagree. "WHEN" Bradford is healthy he is an above average QB with very good accuracy. Unfortunately the best ability is availability and Sam is about as fragile as peanut brittle. Wouldn't mind it but got to have a competent back up and a promising draft pick in the wings. Edited January 17, 2018 by billsbackto81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. Please stop. Please, please stop. Mods, can the next person who proposes we go after Bradford lose posting privileges until they can correctly recite Bradford's injury history? The man's been injured 4 out of his 7 NFL seasons. He's been injured on, like, the first dropback in a preseason game. He doesn't have a knee left. Yes, he can play QB in the NFL successfully. Yes, when he's healthy he's a better QB than Taylor. Than many. But that's a huge conditional. No, you can't count on him for 2 games, much less 4 or 5. That disqualifies him as a backup. Cousins can play QB at least as well as Bradford and he's durable. Please stop. Edited January 17, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. Former Sabre Tim Connelly would be much cheaper and achieve identical results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Yes, that's what he did this year. Looks like he played 15 games last year with 20 td's vs. 5 picks and a completion percentage of 71.6%. They also had a horrid oline last year. I think Sam is a great option as a bridge. technically that was 2017 and last year.. But yeah if you go back to 2016 he had a decent season. In seven seasons he has 3 seasons of 10 games or less.. So that is the concern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Bradford is attached to Shurmur at the hip. He might leave for a payday. Are we going to give Bradford a payday? A payday? Hasn't he made a large pile of money already in his career? Not to say he doesn't want more, but if I recall, he was one of the last big rookie contract QB's. Pretty sure he's already made over $100 million in his career, which certainly does not match his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ddaryl said: No he played 2 games for the Vikings before hurting his knee and being placed on IR That was this year. I think he meant 2016. Bradford played 15 games for Minnesota and had a pretty damn good season. 71% completion percentage, almost 3800yds, 20 TDs to 5 INT. Edited January 17, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Did you really even ask "why not Sam Bradford?" There's one OBVIOUS reason, and nobody has to explain it to you at all. Injuries. That's it. Without discussing a single other aspect of his career, INJURIES are the #1 answer to "why not?" - 2011: INJURED Missed 6 games - 2013: INJURED Missed 9 games - 2015: INJURED Missed 2 games - 2017: INJURED Missed 14 games He's only played a full season twice in 7 years. Not a good track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Yes, that's what he did this year. Looks like he played 15 games last year with 20 td's vs. 5 picks and a completion percentage of 71.6%. They also had a horrid oline last year. I think Sam is a great option as a bridge. Not so much of a bridge, more like a rickety old plank across the water, that may or may not snap in half as you make your way across. COULD get you safely to the other side or could drown your season half way through... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, ddaryl said: No he played 2 games for the Vikings before hurting his knee and being placed on IR In 2016, he played very well for the Vikes. In fact, he had a career year - in his 2nd full season since 2012. Then he went out for good after injuring his knee after 2 games in 2017 - the same injury that cost him half a season in 2013, then reinjured in preseason and out for all of 2014. It's not like it was a fluke and unlikely to happen again. One time is an occurrence, twice is a concern, and three times is a pattern spelling out "can't count on this guy at QB" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Did you really even ask "why not Sam Bradford?" There's one OBVIOUS reason, and nobody has to explain it to you at all. Injuries. That's it. Without discussing a single other aspect of his career, INJURIES are the #1 answer to "why not?" - 2011: INJURED Missed 6 games - 2013: INJURED Missed 9 games - 2015: INJURED Missed 2 games - 2017: INJURED Missed 14 games He's only played a full season twice in 7 years. Not a good track record. I also think he missed the entire 2014 season to injury (IIRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, ddaryl said: technically that was 2017 and last year.. But yeah if you go back to 2016 he had a decent season. In seven seasons he has 3 seasons of 10 games or less.. So that is the concern... Four. You missed 2014, where he was out for 100% of the season. Four seasons of 10 games or less, out of 8 in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, buffaloboyinATL said: Not so much of a bridge, more like a rickety old plank across the water, that may or may not snap in half as you make your way across. COULD get you safely to the other side or could drown your season half way through... It's not like there is a plethora of great options. No one is advocating giving the guy a big contract or anything. I think the potential upside is worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: I also think he missed the entire 2014 season to injury (IIRC). You are correct. He was injured on the first dropback in preseason - re-injury of the same knee that cost him half of 2013. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'd be fine with Bradford as a veteran bridge QB. But the thing is, it seems like he is definitrly at a pretty high risk of getting hurt and missing time. Both his knees are terrible from what I've read. They said the MRI's of his knees are scary bad (I'm not sure if this is actually true or not, it's just what I've read). And if you draft a rookie that you truly don't want to play until he is ready, then Bradford may not be a good choice. He missed 8 games in 2013, missed the entire 2014 season. Then played 14 and 15 game in 2015 and 2016. Then only played 2 games in 2017 due to injury. In his 2 (almost) full seasons played recently, he was average at best in 2015 (19 TD's to 14 INT) and pretty damn good in 2016. So it's been a pretty mixed mixed bag with Bradford. He's been up and down in his play and missed significant time to injury. I would take a healthy bradford over Tyrod though, if those were my 2 choices. If it were Cousins vs Bradford, I'd take Cousins. If it were signing Cousins to a huge payday vs signing Bradford to a cheaper, shorter term deal and drafting one of the top 3 (ish) college QBs in the 1st... Then I may lean toward Bradford and a rookie. But I'd be ok with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. The hurt part may be true but the fact that you say he isn't good when healthy just isn't true.... He has 101 TD passes to 57 INT, a career completion % of 62.5, when completely healthy hasn't thrown for under 3,700 yards. I've never heard any rumors how he won't help rookies, in fact there is an article saying how he helped Wentz before being traded to Minny. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/before-heading-to-minnesota-bradford-helped-wentz-in-philly-102016, I think he'd be a good mentor to the rookie we select in round 1 and I don't think he'll break the bank imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, jr1 said: I'm more curious what he looks like when he IS injured. Edited January 17, 2018 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm not against Bradford, even with the injury history. You're effectively just hoping he can make it 5-6 games before turning it over to your rookie QB. I disagree with the idea that we should sign Bradford for a rookie to sit and learn the whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: It's not like there is a plethora of great options. No one is advocating giving the guy a big contract or anything. I think the potential upside is worth the risk. I would actually be ok with him as long as we had our potential "future franchise QB" on the roster at the same time. If we had Bradford, or almost any of the other FA options out there, I still hope we draft someone to develop behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Bradford is attached to Shurmur at the hip. He might leave for a payday. Are we going to give Bradford a payday? Shurmur is going to the Giants tho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: That was this year. I think he meant 2016. Bradford played 15 games for Minnesota and had a pretty damn good season. 71% completion percentage, almost 3800yds, 20 TDs to 5 INT. Yeah he meant 2016 not 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If we only want bradford as a bridge QB and to groom the young guy what difference does he make that he is injury prone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: If we only want bradford as a bridge QB and to groom the young guy what difference does he make that he is injury prone? Because if he happens to find some enticing looking mats during training camp then our groom starts right away instead of later in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He's as durable as Marquise Goodwin (pre SF!) and makes Trent Edwards looks like Brett Farve. hes fine but you could never be happy with him as your starter. Also, it's never great when Case Keenum is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 When healthy he is a good qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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