Klaista2k Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 If the Giants were willing to trade the second pick overall -- Would you be willing to part way with the 21st, 22nd, and other draft picks to go up to #2 and take a franchise quarterback? Is there only a particular quarterback you would do this for? Darnold? Rosen? How would you feel about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Klaista2k said: If the Giants were willing to trade the second pick overall -- Would you be willing to part way with the 21st, 22nd, and other draft picks to go up to #2 and take a franchise quarterback? Is there only a particular quarterback you would do this for? Darnold? Rosen? How would you feel about this? If give 21,22, this years 3rd and next years first,and Glenn for the second pick in the draft. Edited January 9, 2018 by mob16151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I can’t hate if they have done their homework and think it’s the guy. I’m not sold on anyone specifically as it’s always a crap shoot. If they are not landing an above average quarterback in free agency then I think they have to go all in for quarterback in the draft and hopefully filled some holes already in free agency if they don’t land earlier mentioned quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 If their damn sure that they have their franchise QB then I say yes. Personally, if given the opportunity I'd rather trade one of this year's first and second for Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: If the Giants were willing to trade the second pick overall -- Would you be willing to part way with the 21st, 22nd, and other draft picks to go up to #2 and take a franchise quarterback? Is there only a particular quarterback you would do this for? Darnold? Rosen? How would you feel about this? Absolutely. If the Bills seriously like a QB, I think we should do exactly this. The problem is the trade partner. The Giants likely will go QB. But we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb386 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 IN theory I would, but in reality it may take a lot to move up. I'd be ok with giving up both 1st rd picks this year and maybe a second as well. That probably doesn't get it done, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) I would approve of that in a heartbeat IF the Bills think there is a guy we can get at #2 who is their dream QB prospect. You do what it takes to get that guy. Everything else will fill in around him. Edited January 9, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The real question is, would the Giants trade down from #2 to 21 and 22 this year ++? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 To move up to #2 overall would take four first round picks. No thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What does the chart say for what we would have to give up to move up that far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: What does the chart say for what we would have to give up to move up that far? We'd need to give up 4 firsts, or 3 firsts plus 2 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: If the Giants were willing to trade the second pick overall -- Would you be willing to part way with the 21st, 22nd, and other draft picks to go up to #2 and take a franchise quarterback? Is there only a particular quarterback you would do this for? Darnold? Rosen? How would you feel about this? IF the Bills think there are only two franchise QBs or have a huge preference and can get our guy...... I would like to trade up to #2 to get one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Yes for either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: We'd need to give up 4 firsts, or 3 firsts plus 2 seconds. Where do I sign up? I was hoping to get it done for three #1s and maybe a #2 and #3. I think Rosen is going to be excellent. Edited January 9, 2018 by stony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Nope. There is no sure bet QB in this year's draft. If you guess wrong you set the team back for another 3 years. This team has a lot of holes to fill. Depending on what we do in free agency, I'd stay where we are and draft LB, DT, WR, OL or whichever QB falls to us with our first 4 picks. Build depth with remainder of picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'd give up both our firsts, next year's first and 3rd and one of our 2s this year to get Rosen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Magox said: If their damn sure that they have their franchise QB then I say yes. Personally, if given the opportunity I'd rather trade one of this year's first and second for Cousins. I thought Cousins is a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 While we need lots of help in the front 7, OL and either resign/replace Gaines and Johnson. , I’d roll the dice on one of these guys. We have to roll the dice eventually. Why not now? I’d rather go for the best QBs rather than trade up for mayfield, Jackson or Allen. Get the guy you like most. Not the 4th best guy. I believe, if we resign Gaines and upgrade Johnson, can build our D around this talented and opportunistic secondary. With the remaining picks and free agent money get 2 DTs, MLB, SLB, nickel cb, pass rushing DE, RG, backup RB and WR. 10 main positions of need with 3-4 draft picks (after trading away for the 2nd pick) and 40 mill or so cap room. It’s possible to fill some holes, patch some holes and land a franchise QB. I think the only way I could see us not considering trading up to 2 is they might like Mayfield more than Darnold and think they can get him later and save a couple picks. Maybe? If they see both as similar prospects there’s no reason to jump up to 2 (unless another team thinks the same and drafts mayfield I suppose). either way, just please no mason Rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 There is never a sure thing but if they think that one of the QBs is a franchise guy then you give up the farm for them. This feels like the first time in a generation where we realize we need a QB and where there seems to be viable draft options and where we have the ammunition to get one of those viable options. Those three pieces have never come together. We've always settled in one way or another. This feels like the year we don't have to and maybe they will be wrong but its better to go down swinging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Nope. There is no sure bet QB in this year's draft. If you guess wrong you set the team back for another 3 years. This team has a lot of holes to fill. Depending on what we do in free agency, I'd stay where we are and draft LB, DT, WR, OL or whichever QB falls to us with our first 4 picks. Build depth with remainder of picks. Is there ever? Wentz was a gamble, Goff was a bust after a year. Last year's class was considered poor and now Watson looks legit and even Mitch was ok (maybe a stretch?) My point is, it's the toughest position to fill in all of pro sports, and you can negate some of the risk by drafting the cream instead of going bargain bin shopping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, The Monk said: I thought Cousins is a FA. He is, disregard that post. Cousins has no reason to sign with Washington and they can't afford to re-sign him. There is quite literally almost no scenario in which the Redskins trade Cousins. Even if they franchised him again he's better off playing one more year that at that ridiculous salary ($38M) and hitting the market a year later than signing the franchise tag and letting them trade him anywhere. Even if that scenario played out, who is going to pay him $38 in the hopes he agrees to sign a long term contract? It's a ludicrous proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I'd give up both our firsts, next year's first and 3rd and one of our 2s this year to get Rosen My thoughts, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I voted No. too many holes to spend picks on moving up. No QB will succeed with the Right side of the line that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Because we made the playoffs, I don't think we should do it, as the pick cost has become too much. With the amount of holes we have, we need to hang on to those top picks, and make them count. If someone drops that they like, then go get them, but not at the expense of too many picks. We've got 8 picks, iirc, and nothing lower than a 5th rounder. It's not inconcievable, that all of those picks could make the roster, and provide a huge boost of talent. Get that extra talent in here, and go all in on a QB next year, assuming we've found a vet in FA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think you do it in stages, like Philadelphia did when they picked Wentz at #2. They first made a trade with Miami to get from #13 to #8. They traded Kiko Alonzo and Byron Maxwell to move up 5 spots. This put them in a position to get to #2. Cleveland wanted to stay in the top 8 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, jrober38 said: To move up to #2 overall would take four first round picks. No thanks. Uh, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, stony said: Is there ever? Wentz was a gamble, Goff was a bust after a year. Last year's class was considered poor and now Watson looks legit and even Mitch was ok (maybe a stretch?) My point is, it's the toughest position to fill in all of pro sports, and you can negate some of the risk by drafting the cream instead of going bargain bin shopping. Wentz wasn't a gamble. I actually would have been thrilled if the Bills drafted Watson. I'm not talking bargain bin shopping...but to mortgage your future on a single pick that may or may not pan out is taking a huge risk. With the number of QB needy teams this year it will take an awful lot to move up. I don't see a "cream" QB in this draft. I see a number of QB's that have a lot of potential. If the Bills can sit where they are and get two impact players...one of which may be a QB...I'd prefer if they did that...particularly if you are talking multiple first round picks in multiple years to trade up. If you watched a lot of college ball this year, you will have noted a number of freshman and sophomore QBs that will be available in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 If there truly are franchise qbs in this draft yes.....you do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: We'd need to give up 4 firsts, or 3 firsts plus 2 seconds. If that's the case, run away! Run away as fast as you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: If there truly are franchise qbs in this draft yes.....you do it There aren't. At least not yet... Let's see who gets hyped at the combine and which teams get hosed! Like the Bears did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 LOL, like 2 picks to move up to 2? Yeah sure, which ones? Probably gonna take a lot of picks, one wont work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Klaista2k said: If the Giants were willing to trade the second pick overall -- Would you be willing to part way with the 21st, 22nd, and other draft picks to go up to #2 and take a franchise quarterback? Is there only a particular quarterback you would do this for? Darnold? Rosen? How would you feel about this? If the Bills truly believe there's a guy who could be their QB of the present and future and he'll be available at Pick #2, then yes. All In! OTOH, if they think Cousins could be the Man, go after him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 For Rosen only. I like Mayfield and would take him @ 21 or 22 if we don't go Rosen with a trade up. I would also move up for Roquan Smith. The guy is a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 This is the year to do it because of the extra early round picks to trade or plug holes with -- and a hefty bit of cap room to fill in the gaps. Even though there are a lot of holes, you can't wait until next year. I'm not sure if either of the top two are worth the price (whatever it is), but it is time to roll the dice. You also get the extra benefit of having a cheap QB and an extra year of control b/c he'd be a first round pick. If they can get ip there, then they have to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The cost for the 2nd pick might look like 4 first round picks, but if the Bills have the most draft capital to reasonably offer, it may be closer to 3 first round picks and change. We must take into consideration that the Bills are one of the only teams with 2 first round picks to offer THIS year.. providing IMMEDIATE return for the Giants, Browns, or Colts moving out of their spot. I have to think that this would appeal to the Giants specifically as they already have Manning and aren't in a position where they HAVE to get a QB, and the thought of having 2 first round picks THIS year could definitely appeal to them making one last run with Eli this coming year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, brianb386 said: IN theory I would, but in reality it may take a lot to move up. I'd be ok with giving up both 1st rd picks this year and maybe a second as well. That probably doesn't get it done, though. I would go with our 2 firsts, next year's second, and any other Bills player they want, maybe any other 2 Bills they want If it's the right guy, go for broke. A franchise QB covers up many of the other holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Rosen and Darnold I think can be true franchise quarterbacks, obviously it's a crapshoot, but either would be the best QB prospect we've had really since Jim Kelly. We need a real top blue chip prospect, not a Losman type 4th best QB in the draft. Think I'd only trade up for one of them. If I can't get there I just sit and see how the draft plays out. I do think the Giants might consider it. Two picks in the 20s allows them to draft what they really need which is offensive line. Maybe they'd want Cordy Glenn too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 There's some crazy talk in here. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: What does the chart say for what we would have to give up to move up that far? The "Draft Trade Chart" = NFL version of the Book of Armaments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, beerme1 said: There's some crazy talk in here. Crazy. So you like 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7 until the cows come home?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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