The juice Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Is that the outcome we want Saturday? Apparently it is according to some Bills people For the playoffs that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 In terms of the Bills playoffs, yeah, a Chiefs victory is probably the best thing for the Bills. Given that there is likely to be a log jam at 9-7 the Bills head to head win vs. the Chiefs won't come into play. It only matters if they end up the only two teams tied for a WC spot (it would also come into play if ALL the tied teams have played each other but that won't be the case.) The Chiefs win any tiebreaker in which more than two teams are tied because of their vastly superior strength of victory (due to their wins vs. the Pats and Eagles.) The same thing, but opposite, applies to the Chargers. Sure, if the Bills end up tied with the Chargers and nobody else, the head to head comes into play. But if it's more than just those two it looks like the Bills would likely win the tiebreaker due to either better conference record or strength of victory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Assuming the Ravens win out with their easy schedule: Looks like if the Chargers lose to KC and then win out AND the Titans beat either the Rams or 49ers but lose to the Jags we would win the three-way tie there. In that same situation except the Chargers beat KC, KC has the tiebreaker in the three-way tie there. If the Titans lose out, we would obviously have the head-to-head over the Chiefs. Hard to say which scenario is preferable right now, but we are looking for either Tennessee to lose and the Chiefs win or Tennessee wins and the Chiefs lose. Otherwise we'll need the Ravens to lose to either the Colts or Bengals to kick the three-way tiebreakers back in. However in no practical scenario can the Titans beat the Jags. Don't think they can anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The confusion over this game is understandable. If you look at tie-breaking rules with these 2 teams and ONLY the Bills it works out like this at 9-7. If tied with LAC we would lose out because of Head to Head (LAC beat us). If tied with KC we would win because of Head to Head (Bills beat KC). The odds of us and either KC or LAC are slim because of the Titans/Ravens and possibly Raiders being 9-7. That being said, the tie-breaking rules are different with 3 or more teams tied at 9-7. The possible scenarios of win-loss-tie with 3 games remaining and multi teams involved are huge. The MUST is a Bills win. 5 minutes ago, MDH said: In terms of the Bills playoffs, yeah, a Chiefs victory is probably the best thing for the Bills. Given that there is likely to be a log jam at 9-7 the Bills head to head win vs. the Chiefs won't come into play. It only matters if they end up the only two teams tied for a WC spot (it would also come into play if ALL the tied teams have played each other but that won't be the case.) The Chiefs win any tiebreaker in which more than two teams are tied because of their vastly superior strength of victory (due to their wins vs. the Pats and Eagles.) The same thing, but opposite, applies to the Chargers. Sure, if the Bills end up tied with the Chargers and nobody else, the head to head comes into play. But if it's more than just those two it looks like the Bills would likely win the tiebreaker due to either better conference record or strength of victory. Yes.........................but (LOL). IF the log jam is between BUF, KC, TENN or BALT and there are 2 Wildcard spots open. KC probably gets the 1st slot. The remaining slot could favor the Bills. Like I said there are a lot of scenarios! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The best scenario for the Bills is for SD to win the division as they have tie breakers over the Chiefs and Raiders. Also every game the Chiefs lose improves the Bills pick from them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 This is black and white. The Bills want the Chargers to win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 22 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: The best scenario for the Bills is for SD to win the division as they have tie breakers over the Chiefs and Raiders. Also every game the Chiefs lose improves the Bills pick from them. Exactly....we are doing no better than 9-7. We need LAC to win the west. Not KC! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Talk to me next week when there is a completely different scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said: Talk to me next week when there is a completely different scenario. You're certainly welcome to respond again next week. But that doesn't change the fact that the Bills would like the Chargers to beat KC....THIS WEEK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 chargers all day errday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theAteam Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I don't think we'll really know who we should've been rooting for until everyone's played this weekend. It's such a messed up situation every way I look at it. Titans should take care of the 49ers but if they don't and lose out we may be facing only one other team. Then you got the Chiefs against the Dolphins next week which is a tossup. If the Ravens drop one it throws another wrench into things. I guess at this point I'm gonna root for the Bills and hope for the best. That's the one game that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Would like to see LA win the west. But since all the pundits like the Chargers on Sat night I have a feeling KC will show up in a big way and get back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) There are few situations where the Chiefs winning favors us, there are several situations where the Chiefs losing favor us Edited December 13, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 We want the LA chargers to win the west due to tiebreakers and a better draft pick. It's a two for one deal. Plus, I cannot wait to watch the Saturday Wild Card game to see those 27,000 screaming fans in LA. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: We want the LA chargers to win the west due to tiebreakers and a better draft pick. It's a two for one deal. Plus, I cannot wait to watch the Saturday Wild Card game to see those 27,000 screaming fans in LA. and playing against the Bills? Who should the Bills start at QB? Peterman redemption? LOL My god, this board would implode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Id rather hope lac win and kc just lose 2 for our playoff scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Root for the Chargers. Our hold on a WC spot currently is due to no common opponents being factored yet. We hold the first tie breaker vs. KC and not against the Chargers. We need the Chargers to win their division as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I want the Chiefs to fall from grace and lose every game the rest of the year.... better draft pick for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 So I assume all the people who think it's an open and shut case that we want/need the Chargers to win think that the Titans are going to drop all their remaining games? Or that the Ravens will lose one of their last three vs. three of the worst teams in the NFL? Because that's what it will take for the Bills to win a tie breaker vs. the Chiefs. Only if the Bills are tied with only the Chiefs does the head to head tie breaker come into effect. If the Bills are tied with the Chiefs and any other team(s) the Chiefs get the nod into the playoffs. It's - obviously - impossible to know how everything will shake out but IMO it's much more likely the Ravens win out and the Titans win one of their remaining games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: and playing against the Bills? Who should the Bills start at QB? Peterman redemption? LOL My god, this board would implode! Implosion is good for it - just like tanking for a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I just picked week 15 in the ESPN playoff machine, and if Pittsburgh beats NE and the Jags win, Jags are the #2 and NE drops to #3. That is great for us, because it keeps Jacksonville playing in week 17 in Tennessee to keep a bye and we need the Titans to keep losing. Plus it's bad for NE, which is always good. How great would it be if Gronk's cheap shot cost them a 1st round bye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 The Bills want the Chargers to win the AFC West because we would win tiebreakers with the Chiefs and Raiders--if we ended tied with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, MDH said: So I assume all the people who think it's an open and shut case that we want/need the Chargers to win think that the Titans are going to drop all their remaining games? Or that the Ravens will lose one of their last three vs. three of the worst teams in the NFL? Because that's what it will take for the Bills to win a tie breaker vs. the Chiefs. Only if the Bills are tied with only the Chiefs does the head to head tie breaker come into effect. If the Bills are tied with the Chiefs and any other team(s) the Chiefs get the nod into the playoffs. It's - obviously - impossible to know how everything will shake out but IMO it's much more likely the Ravens win out and the Titans win one of their remaining games. How do you know the Chiefs will win the common opponent tie breaker at this point when no common opponent factors have been weighed yet? I appreciate you larger point, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: How do you know the Chiefs will win the common opponent tie breaker at this point when no common opponent factors have been weighed yet? I appreciate you larger point, though. You can see their schedule or use playoff machine. We lose most three way tie scenarios with the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You're certainly welcome to respond again next week. But that doesn't change the fact that the Bills would like the Chargers to beat KC....THIS WEEK. OK. I have a caps lock button too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Big C said: You can see their schedule or use playoff machine. We lose most three way tie scenarios with the Chiefs. So it’s predicated on outcomes yet to be determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: So it’s predicated on outcomes yet to be determined. They all are. Chiefs strength of victory and conference records are better than the Chargers and I don't think the strength of victory will swing in our favor even if we beat the Patriots, but I can't totally confirm that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Bills need to win and it’s to early to call this right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I want the chiefs to tank. Lose out, that way we are in front of them for the playoffs and we get a better draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 31 minutes ago, K-9 said: So it’s predicated on outcomes yet to be determined. Well, obviously. But in most scenarios it's better for the Bills playoff chances if the Chiefs win. In an ideal world, yeah, the Chiefs would lose 2 of their last three, the Chargers would win the west, the Bills would win at least 9, get a wild card and the relatively high 1st round pick from the Chiefs. Personally, I think it's all moot anyway, I don't think the Bills finish 9-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Captain Murica said: We want the LA chargers to win the west due to tiebreakers and a better draft pick. It's a two for one deal. Plus, I cannot wait to watch the Saturday Wild Card game to see those 27,000 screaming fans in LA. Watching the Rams vs Eagles game in LA last weekend there were more Eagles fans than Rams fans in the Rams' home stadium which is completely across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just skwish the Fish and it gets clearer and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMassare Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: This is black and white. The Bills want the Chargers to win. This is not true. KC holds the tiebreaker in ALL multi-tiebreaker situations, which 9-7 100% will be. The Bills hold the tiebreaker in all multi-tie scenarios with LAC. Believe it or not, with a TEN/BAL win and a LAC loss, LAC is eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This really is far from black and white, the Bills could be helped or hindered in many scenarios regardless of the winner. Probably the only thing certain is that Bills fans will want the winner of KC/ Chargers to continue winning and the loser to continue losing. If you want to know which will be better for the Bills playoff chances ( assuming two Bills wins vs MIA of course) it depends on what you think of TEN outlook. The Titans remaining games of at SF, vs Rams, vs Jags is a pretty tough slate. Probably the hardest of any AFC WC contender. If KC wins , you'd want TEN to go 1-2 down the stretch beating either SF or the Rams. If the Chargers win, you'd want TEN to lose all 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, KevinMassare said: This is not true. KC holds the tiebreaker in ALL multi-tiebreaker situations, which 9-7 100% will be. The Bills hold the tiebreaker in all multi-tie scenarios with LAC. Believe it or not, with a TEN/BAL win and a LAC loss, LAC is eliminated. Appreciate the work you're doing here. Been following all the tiebreaker talk on Twitter. One scenario that seems reasonably likely is that the Ravens win out and the Titans lose out. In that scenario we would want LAC to take the division over the Chiefs. We'll have to wait and see how the week plays out. Either the Titans and Chiefs need to both lose, or both win. I don't see the Ravens losing any of their next three. Could happen, but highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If the Chiefs beat the Chargers We beat the Dolphins this week And the Titans lose one of their next two Week 17 will then come down to us beating the Dolphins and the Titans losing to the Jags. If this happens, the drought ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: If the Chiefs beat the Chargers We beat the Dolphins this week And the Titans lose one of their next two Week 17 will then come down to us beating the Dolphins and the Titans losing to the Jags. If this happens, the drought ends If Chiefs win our draft pick will be lower. Hopefully we can make the playoff at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 22 hours ago, MDH said: In terms of the Bills playoffs, yeah, a Chiefs victory is probably the best thing for the Bills. Given that there is likely to be a log jam at 9-7 the Bills head to head win vs. the Chiefs won't come into play. It only matters if they end up the only two teams tied for a WC spot (it would also come into play if ALL the tied teams have played each other but that won't be the case.) The Chiefs win any tiebreaker in which more than two teams are tied because of their vastly superior strength of victory (due to their wins vs. the Pats and Eagles.) The same thing, but opposite, applies to the Chargers. Sure, if the Bills end up tied with the Chargers and nobody else, the head to head comes into play. But if it's more than just those two it looks like the Bills would likely win the tiebreaker due to either better conference record or strength of victory. We beat the KC and Oakland. We want SD to win the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mat68 said: We beat the KC and Oakland. We want SD to win the west. Again, this is true if and only if KC and Buffalo are the only teams to finish 9-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 We want a tie and for all players to catch a really bad flu in the process that keeps them out for the next game too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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