Lfod Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Wrong offensive scheme and there's not enough around him. That's not to slight the Bills, but Tyrod needs as much help as he can get. I can understand that. Just have to wait and see what he does with the next team. I won't be to happy if we couldn't make him a success in Buffalo but the next team can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, PIP said: Nothing Ziltch I think that is true, but not because teams won't be interested in signing TT. The Bills owe Taylor a $6M roster bonus at the start of the league season. Why would Bills pay it then eat the bonus by trading him? Certainly not worth it for a late round pick. So teams will say, "we just wait for TT to be cut then we sign him". Now if there is some "out" clause where the Bills can sign him and trade him before the bonus comes due, perhaps, but then you gotta ask what teams will see him as worth $16-17M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Magox said: I think some team could value him as high as a 4th. If we trade Taylor for a 4th I would be happy as hell but I don't see that happening. Teams know we are releasing him after the season, we would be lucky to get a 7th rd pick in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 This will be an interesting offseason for Tyrod. I think there is possibility of still being in Buffalo as the backup, especially if the Bills draft a guy like Lamar (not predicting we will, but still is possibility). But ultimately I think its more likely he is traded or cut. The problem with the trade market is that most teams will assume we are going to cut him, so will be hard to entice a trade if they think they can get him for nothing. Then again, if a team wants him like say Denver, they may pull the trigger to assure they get him too. Last year, Tyrod I think would have been the top FA QB to sign in he marketplace, but this year should be a bit more crowded. Possible Alex Smith is on the market along with at least one of the Vikings guys (Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford) if not 2 of them, as well as the unresolved Cousins and Eli situations that could impact it. And there are a few other possibilities too of some vets or young guys. So while he absolutely has trade value, the Bills have almost no leverage this time around to get value out of him. I think he either remains a Bill to keep seat warm for what ever rookie we draft or he is cut. If we do trade him, I think Denver is the clearly the more likely landing spot and I would suspect a 4th is best we could do but likely would be lower pick than that given we have no leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Have him autograph it for me and we got a deal. No way Buffalo gets anything in return for Tyrod. They will release him and he will likely be a backup somewhere. Tyrod will start in this league next year. I'd put money on it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Tyrod will start in this league next year. I'd put money on it He may start some games next season, but I don’t think he will start out as any team’s “guy.” I suppose I could also see him as a placeholder for a team who drafts a QB early in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I can see Denver giving up something. Might even be a deal where they send us a 5th and we send them Tyrod and a 6th. Something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He may start some games next season, but I don’t think he will start out as any team’s “guy.” I suppose I could also see him as a placeholder for a team who drafts a QB early in round 1. Which would make him a starter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) He would be worth a 3 (2 earlier in the year) if he had an appropriate salary. Problem is his salary is well north of his FMV salary (peaked at 12M now trending down to the 8M or lower range) so he will be released. Edited December 12, 2017 by Charles Romes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, dneveu said: There's a bunch available too. Keenum, bradford, mccown are all UFAs. Then you have Smith who may get cut, or cousins if you wanna pay a ton. I'd be fine with Bradford, if we also draft someone. Honestly though if we were going to roll with Bradford I'd rather just let the rookie start from day 1. There's a real good chance at some point Bradford will miss games forcing the new guy to start. So why not let him get all the 1st team reps and make him as ready as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Which would make him a starter... Technically, just as you might consider Tom Savage as “a starter.” My opinion remains that I don’t believe that any team will bring Tyrod in to be “their guy.” With all the other options in FA, and a seemingly QB rich draft, I just don’t see it happening. The book is out on Tyrod. If you keep him in the pocket and make him play QB, he isn’t able to play QB. No bueno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 If they can get a 3rd or 4th they might move him, but he is a relatively cheap insurance policy as a backup for next year in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, H2o said: If they can get a 3rd or 4th they might move him, but he is a relatively cheap insurance policy as a backup for next year in this day and age. Personally I think $18 million is too much for insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Tyrod will start in this league next year. I'd put money on it Make sure you don’t bet big. Another 60 yard day and he will be lucky to have a roster spot in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 In a QB-driven league, someone out there sees Tyrod as a QB who could potentially succeed in the right scheme. But given the uncertainty of that, plus the fact that he's only under contract for one more year, PLUS the fact that if the Bills want to move in another direction then they're likely to cut him in the offseason, I don't see anyone giving us more than a late-round pick - maybe a 5th if we're lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Personally I think $18 million is too much for insurance. Oh, damn, I had the years flipped around in my head. I thought next year he only counted $9,000,000 against the cap. Yeah, he's gone one way or another. He will NEVER see that $6,000,000 roster bonus. Edited December 12, 2017 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Oh, damn, I had the years flipped around in my head. I thought next year he only counted $9,000,000 against the cap. Yeah, he's gone one way or another. He will NEVER see that $6,000,000 roster bonus. I was gonna say no way they keep him around as insurance at what he is gonna make next year.....that is low end starter money. I think Peterman was drafted with the intent that he would hold the clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Bills Pimpin' said: Anyone that traded for him would have to have a restructured contract for Taylor before the trade went through. They would only do that if they were afraid to see him hit the open market which is slim based on his performance. If that transpired Beane would do it for a box of donuts. 5 minutes ago, H2o said: Oh, damn, I had the years flipped around in my head. I thought next year he only counted $9,000,000 against the cap. Yeah, he's gone one way or another. He will NEVER see that $6,000,000 roster bonus. I figured you didn't think it was $18 million. I think Bills Pimpin' is totally right. It's the only way we could trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 ....if Dennison has pretty much telegraphed that TT won't be here next year and McD/Beane buy in, why would you give up a pick versus waiting for his release?....roster bonus due in early March 2018 is your lynch pin.....leaves you plenty of time to set up your camp 90....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: If a team really wants him I could see a 7th rounder, maybe a 6th if lucky. But in reality teams typically don't trade for players they know are going to be released outright anyway. Yea, a team is going to trade for a 2018 16M contract attached to a backup. All my sources agree it ain't happening. And a reason for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, WhoTom said: In a QB-driven league, someone out there sees Tyrod as a QB who could potentially succeed in the right scheme. But given the uncertainty of that, plus the fact that he's only under contract for one more year, PLUS the fact that if the Bills want to move in another direction then they're likely to cut him in the offseason, I don't see anyone giving us more than a late-round pick - maybe a 5th if we're lucky. Tyrod had his 15 minutes in the "right scheme" under Rex and it didn't work, unfortunately for him nobody else runs the "right scheme" for him to sort of be successful in. No GM anywhere is giving up a draft pick for a guy who has twice thrown for under 75 yards in a game this year, averages less than 175 yards and 1 TD passing per game and has had multiple defensive opponents say just have to make him be a QB to beat him. Defensive coordinators have him figured out and i'm sure a GM would ask the O coach, D coach and head coach for their input on potentially trading a draft pick for Tyrod. No way does he not become a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I heard a part of this scenario on another post but i added to it . In this years draft the G men have the second over all pick & seeing as Cordy has been nursing a foot ailment & Tyrod doesn't seem as though he will be around next year take the first round pick from KC package it with Cordy & Tyrod for their second over all first round pick !! The Giants need a proven LT & the Bills could get rid of his contract especially as Dawkins has filled in very well & can be around longer for cheaper !! I know it's a good dream but hey that's what Bills fans do best ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I really hope he gets a chance to start for someone next year just so all the media "experts" who talked him up as if he were some all-time great when he got benched can eat crow. The same people that watched none of our games, saw highlights and box scores, then threw out how awesome he is as if they actually have a clue will be forced to recognize what kind of player he really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 15 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Honestly though if we were going to roll with Bradford I'd rather just let the rookie start from day 1. There's a real good chance at some point Bradford will miss games forcing the new guy to start. So why not let him get all the 1st team reps and make him as ready as possible? The idea is to not go into the draft in a desperate situation needing a qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 My guess is at least a 6th or 7th round pick. Cassels was traded for a 7th not too long ago. It could get higher in the right circumstances or if there are 2 teams interested. In ideal circumstances, Bradford went for a 1st and I believe a 4th but the timing of the trade was great for the eagles. Tyrod’s contract is reasonable for a bridge starter and if a qb were to go down in training camp or spring workouts on a decent team his price in terms of draft picks could definitely go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Probably looking in the vicinity of what they got for Marcell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Nilly! Nilly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 1:10 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that is true, but not because teams won't be interested in signing TT. The Bills owe Taylor a $6M roster bonus at the start of the league season. Why would Bills pay it then eat the bonus by trading him? Certainly not worth it for a late round pick. So teams will say, "we just wait for TT to be cut then we sign him". Now if there is some "out" clause where the Bills can sign him and trade him before the bonus comes due, perhaps, but then you gotta ask what teams will see him as worth $16-17M? 6 mill roster bonus is not due until 3rd day of league year. League year starts Mar 14 at 4 pm and 1st day is only 8 hours as it ends at midnight so the 3 days are Mar 14 15 16 2018. Not clear if that means they have all day on that 3rd day to trade him to avoid it or if they must get it done by end of 2nd day. So they have a couple days to trade him and avoid the roster bonus. The prorated sign bonus already paid out is never going away with a cut or trade and they will have 8.64 mill dead cap in 2018 if they trade/cut him or it will be part of his salary against the cap if they keep him. So to "RECAP": If they cut or trade Bills have dead cap of 8.640 mill in 2018 If they keep him they have cap hit of 18 mill. so 10 mill more to keep him as b/u or bridge vs cut/trade. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ If they trade him in the window the new team pays him 16 mill. If they trade him after they pay the roster bonus then Bills dead cap is 14.640 mill. But new team only has to pay TT 10 mill for one year. Not sure if Bills could get a high enough draft pick that would be worth almost 7 mill of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, cba fan said: 6 mill roster bonus is not due until 3rd day of league year. League year starts Mar 14 at 4 pm and 1st day is only 8 hours as it ends at midnight so the 3 days are Mar 14 15 16 2018. Not clear if that means they have all day on that 3rd day to trade him to avoid it or if they must get it done by end of 2nd day. So they have a couple days to trade him and avoid the roster bonus. The prorated sign bonus already paid out is never going away with a cut or trade and they will have 8.64 mill dead cap in 2018 if they trade/cut him or it will be part of his salary against the cap if they keep him. So to "RECAP": If they cut or trade Bills have dead cap of 8.640 mill in 2018 If they keep him they have cap hit of 18 mill. so 10 mill more to keep him as b/u or bridge vs cut/trade. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ If they trade him in the window the new team pays him 16 mill. If they trade him after they pay the roster bonus then Bills dead cap is 14.640 mill. But new team only has to pay TT 10 mill for one year. Not sure if Bills could get a high enough draft pick that would be worth almost 7 mill of cap space. Good gouge on the 3 days to trade or what have you. But I don't think it' really changes the trade math too much. You're a GM interested in Taylor. Do you: 1) do a hurry-up deal with the Bills and take Tyrod at his current contract, knowing they don't want to pay that bonus if he's not in their plans 2) sit back in your office chair and hum a few bars of Tom Petty, then ring up Taylor's agent after the Turk visits? I think GMs go for 2. On the one hand, if there are several parties interested, they may need to get in a bidding war. On the other hand, as many have pointed out - Taylor does have a specialized skill set, which may limit his "takers" and his asking price. Overall I'd guess GMs who want Taylor take the risk. On 12/13/2017 at 6:27 AM, dneveu said: The idea is to not go into the draft in a desperate situation needing a qb Who said Bradford is Kolb 2.0? Right on IMO. Bradford (and Kolb) were the illusion you would not go into the draft or season in a desperate situation needing a QB. Truth is, a veteran is only insurance against a desperate situation if said vet is durable. Edited December 14, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Animal house 0.0 On 12/12/2017 at 3:30 PM, ColoradoBills said: Personally I think $18 million is too much for insurance. agreed. Roll with Peterman as the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 9:52 AM, ProcessTheTrust said: A team that is a QB away from at least being a sure WC team doesn't see him as the guy. Who else will? He's on his way back to backing up a legit starter. His ceiling has been exposed for everyone to see. Anyone who needs a QB and plans to draft a rookie, but wants veteran insurance against pushing the rookie too fast, and with an OC more flexible and creative than Dennison appears to be? That still doesn't mean he's got trade value. Buffalo has "tipped their hand" about Taylor and any team or teams that want him will just wait 'til he's cut and renegotiate his contract to suit themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Anyone who needs a QB and plans to draft a rookie, but wants veteran insurance against pushing the rookie too fast, and with an OC more flexible and creative than Dennison appears to be? That still doesn't mean he's got trade value. Buffalo has "tipped their hand" about Taylor and any team or teams that want him will just wait 'til he's cut and renegotiate his contract to suit themselves. how can you creative with taylor. he is so limited in what he can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 11:50 AM, Lfod said: I wish he made the Bills an instant contender. Well he did preside over the best bills scoring offense since 2004- for two consecutive years... im sure someone has a defense that could win when paired with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 3:30 PM, ColoradoBills said: Personally I think $18 million is too much for insurance. 23 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: Animal house 0.0 agreed. Roll with Peterman as the backup. It is 10 mill more to keep TT one more year through 2018. As the 8.64 dead cap hits regardless of cut trade. So 10 million for insurance not 18 mill. I agree completely I would go with Peterman. Maybe even Peterman as bridge if we ever get to see him develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Well he did preside over the best bills scoring offense since 2004- for two consecutive years... im sure someone has a defense that could win when paired with that. I wanted Tyrod and Shady to be the faces of this franchise. I respect Tyrod a lot as well. Spending his own money on players and spending on extra training time with wide receivers. Going to the new coaches press conferences. He played hurt. He took a pay cut. He could of ran out of town like St. Doug. I know something was very wrong with the offense this year. I'm no expert and I wouldn't say it was all Tyrod. I do think that some of the negative people present about his play is starting to catch up to him and define him. Yes he got us close. I mean it when I said I wish he made us an instant contender. I will definitely keep track of how he does if he leaves the Bills and I'm assuming he is. I'm neutral on him for the most part. I have alot of respect but I also have some negative thoughts on him as well. I hope he doesn't play these last 3 games in safe mode. Even if he throws interceptions. If I could talk to him I'd say to much time was already wasted. Don't waste these last games go for 5 passing touch downs. I dedicate the song "The Saftey Dance" by Men Without Hats to Tyrod. Edited December 14, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 11:28 AM, Happy Gilmore said: I think Tyrod is released after this season. No team would want to take his remaining salary and bonus structure. The Browns would but it cost the Bills a draft pick or maybe not since they ditched the money ball GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 11:07 AM, Royale with Cheese said: I think realistically, a 5th would be the highest. K If he plays well down the stretchits def a 4th rounder. The Bills wont take the cap hit for anything less, theyll just release him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 10:38 AM, plenzmd1 said: this is what I believe as well me as well, imho he's a handicap to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) I can think of 3 teams that he could be the starter on right now, never mind after the season is over. He is not going to be a backup unless he goes to a team that already has their established starter. It's not even based on whether he is good enough or not to be a starter wherever he goes, it's the fact that he is just flat out better than a lot of guys playing right now, for teams like the Browns, Cardinals and Texans he would be an instant upgrade. I have no doubt a team will gamble on Tyrod. I'd say there's a 75% chance that Tyrod will start for whichever team picks him up next year. Edited December 16, 2017 by paulbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 12:58 PM, cba fan said: It is 10 mill more to keep TT one more year through 2018. As the 8.64 dead cap hits regardless of cut trade. So 10 million for insurance not 18 mill. I agree completely I would go with Peterman. Maybe even Peterman as bridge if we ever get to see him develop. Still have Dead cap hits as well 2019 on if you keep him next year. Just be done with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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