Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? Edited November 21, 2017 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Don't think happens in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? I think that every bad team's fanbase always suggests this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? The Bills hired 3 men for the front office capable of being a GM.. Joe Schoen and Brian Gaine and Beane...plus they added other high potential employees in Lake Dawson and Malik Boyd. This is truly scouting firepower to supplement Beane's administrative skills. They don't need a personnel Tsar they need personnel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? What do you mean' keep these guys in check'? A power struggle isn't what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 You hire the czar first, not last. Itd be fitting at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Clearly Pegula does not believe in a president of football operations/czar. Won't hire one for the Sabres or Bills. But he does sit in on a lot of meetings, so he is just as good as a czar.[/sarcasm off] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, klos63 said: What do you mean' keep these guys in check'? A power struggle isn't what we need. Benching Tyrod, trades, Vlad starting, poor defense and offense. Someone that can light a fire on there butts when doing bad.. Over see all football players as well with coach relationships, as well coach relationship with players. Not someone that's a Yes man to everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, JoeF said: The Bills hired 3 men for the front office capable of being a GM.. Joe Schoen and Brian Gaine and Beane...plus they added other high potential employees in Lake Dawson and Malik Boyd. This is truly scouting firepower to supplement Beane's administrative skills. They don't need a personnel Tsar they need personnel.... Well said. Plus you get bonus points for using the "Tsar" spelling, which seems to have fallen well behind Czar for some unknown reason. I'm sure you know that whichever way, it's derived from "Caesar." Maybe we need a Mexican dude name Cesar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 nobody would want to be a head coach here if they have even less power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) Pegula has no idea what the hell he is doing. Both of his teams are horribly run. Edited November 21, 2017 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Pegula has no idea what the hell he is doing. Both of his teams are horribly run. Yes agree. It is as well thinking need some help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Pegula has no idea what the hell he is doing. Both of his teams are horribly run. You completely neglect the in-house Tsarina, Kim P. Not to mention their Rasputin, a/k/a Russ Brandon. Edited November 21, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yes! This is one of my favorite threads every time it comes back up. Clearly, a Czar is the way to go. Why every team hasn't figured this out by now is just beyond me. Now, we all know the Czar will possess infinite football wisdom and be generally infallible but what other qualities should we be looking for in a Czar? I'm thinking hes at least 6'7" and has a big bushy beard. He should be able to hypnotize you with his eyes and crazy dancing skills. First order of business should be to purge the boyars. Looking at you McD and Beane. A Czar really is panacea for a franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Yes! This is one of my favorite threads every time it comes back up. Clearly, a Czar is the way to go. Why every team hasn't figured this out by now is just beyond me. Now, we all know the Czar will possess infinite football wisdom and be generally infallible but what other qualities should we be looking for in a Czar? I'm thinking hes at least 6'7" and has a big bushy beard. He should be able to hypnotize you with his eyes and crazy dancing skills. First order of business should be to purge the boyars. Looking at you McD and Beane. A Czar really is panacea for a franchise. And it isn't just football. Think of all the wonderful improvements made to the efficiency of the government through the creation of a Drug Czar, the Border Czar, the Asian Carp Czar (I did not make that one up). I never saw a problem a Czar couldn't fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: And it isn't just football. Think of all the wonderful improvements made to the efficiency of the government through the creation of a Drug Czar, the Border Czar, the Asian Carp Czar (I did not make that one up). I never saw a problem a Czar couldn't fix. Seriously! Its so simple yet no one seems to understand how adding another nebulously defined layer on the org chart improves everything!! Massive bureaucracies have know this secret for years but the good ol' boys network in pro sports is years behind the public sector in management practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Seriously! Its so simple yet no one seems to understand how adding another nebulously defined layer on the org chart improves everything!! Massive bureaucracies have know this secret for years but the good ol' boys network in pro sports is years behind the public sector in management practices. I'm all for a Csar, but also all for a Tsar. In fact, we really should be hoping for a Csar of Tsars, or would we want a Tsar of Csars...either way the (T/C)sar would need oversight from the (C/T)sar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) IMO, the Pegulas listened to their Csar last year when they hired McDermott and Beane. Does anyone really think they came up with this idea on their own? Edited November 21, 2017 by Happy Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? The Bills have a football czar and his name is Sean McDermott. The Pegula's trust him to right the ship. There is no one else coming. The bottom line is the team is rebuilding and they will need a couple more drafts to get things where they want them to be. The fact they have so many selections in April's draft could speed up that timeline if they don't deal away more picks than they use to chase a QB, and they hit on most of the picks. 5 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Benching Tyrod, trades, Vlad starting, poor defense and offense. Someone that can light a fire on there butts when doing bad.. Over see all football players as well with coach relationships, as well coach relationship with players. Not someone that's a Yes man to everything Light a fire? The players are playing, the truth of it is they don't have as much talent as some of the teams they're playing against, and you won't ever get anyone who can "oversee" all of what you're describing. No one can ever know everything. To me, the less people in the way the better. This team will sink or swim with McD and Beane. There will be no finger pointing or assumptions about who is doing what like in the past. That's a good thing. We all want the team to do better, but they want to build predominantly through the draft. Beane will have his first one in April. There aren't any quick fixes as much as the thought of another drawn out rebuild makes me want to vomit. It is what it is. Edited November 21, 2017 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 This is Sean McDermott's ship. He has total control. Beane is here because he is in lockstep with Sean, Whaley is not because he had his own opinions. This is the Sean McDermott show and is going to be built his way. He is more powerful than a Tsar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? I think you hire a quality GM like most teams and they are in charge of the football operation....Hiring a coach first and then a GM and giving a rookie HC this much control is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, nucci said: I think you hire a quality GM like most teams and they are in charge of the football operation....Hiring a coach first and then a GM and giving a rookie HC this much control is wrong The last time the Bills hired a GM and then gave him full authority to hire his own coach was Buddy Nix hiring Chan in 2009. We are on to our 3rd HC since that point.... none of whom have been the choice of an empowered GM. Buddy and Russ hired Marrone, only to turn the GM job over to Whaley 4 months later. Terry and Kim decided they were NFL experts and hired Rex and then some combo of Terry and Doug hired Sean only to fire Doug and let the Coach pick the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 7 hours ago, JoeF said: The Bills hired 3 men for the front office capable of being a GM.. Joe Schoen and Brian Gaine and Beane...plus they added other high potential employees in Lake Dawson and Malik Boyd. This is truly scouting firepower to supplement Beane's administrative skills. They don't need a personnel Tsar they need personnel.... ....VERY well stated bud..........another level of bureaucracy and OBD will resemble the Federal government.....no czar or czarina necessary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I’m starting to wonder whether the Pegulas should consider cashing out, if not selling the teams outright, at least selling majority stakes and becoming passive investors. They’ve destroyed both franchises through a combination of good intentions and plain old incompetence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’m starting to wonder whether the Pegulas should consider cashing out, if not selling the teams outright, at least selling majority stakes and becoming passive investors. They’ve destroyed both franchises through a combination of good intentions and plain old incompetence. At some point they have to be held accountable...both franchises look lost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, nucci said: At some point they have to be held accountable...both franchises look lost They are wonderful people. They have no business running sports franchises - they have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 They (McDermott and Beane) are fully empowered. There will be no overseer hired to review or approve their decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The time to have a czar, even if as a temporary position, was BEFORE Pegula went out, pretended he knew how to run a sports franchise, and did all the interviewing/hiring himself for the HC and GM positions. Our current HC and GM are here because McD impressed Pegula in a job interview. That might work out fine in the end; could be a total disaster too. Too early to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Pegula has no idea what the hell he is doing. Both of his teams are horribly run. Yes he does his group are excellent marketers of the ****ty product and the fill the fans with hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I would love to see this happen. Please bring back Polian and nf I’d this thing and keep check on McBean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 So let's blow this up after one season that was supposed to be rebuilding year. Going 5-2 was probably the worst thing that could have happened to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Zero chance. It wouldnt be a good idea either (and Im a czar guy). Gotta let this one play out and see if it bears fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, nucci said: At some point they have to be held accountable...both franchises look lost Problem is we as fans are in a no win situation. Realistically people should speak with their wallets, playing to empty stadiums and hurting the bottom line would force accountability. Problem is, the fans here do that and the team is gone. So the Pegulas are in a win / win situation, either the stadium gets filled for an inferior product, or it doesn't and they can cash out, see a nice return on their investment and not be the bad guys when the team moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 9 hours ago, HardyBoy said: I'm all for a Csar, but also all for a Tsar. In fact, we really should be hoping for a Csar of Tsars, or would we want a Tsar of Csars...either way the (T/C)sar would need oversight from the (C/T)sar. Can the Tsar be a Tatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) No we dont need more chefs in the kitchen. We need to let Beane and McDermott execute their plan which they clearly have for this team. Whether its a good plan remains to be seen...likely won't know for 2 more years. Adding more people to muddy the waters is exactly what we DON'T need at this point. Being wishy washy and refusing to stick to something at the first sign of trouble is what has gotten us in this position for the last 18 years in the first placem Edited November 21, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So let's blow this up after one season that was supposed to be rebuilding year. Going 5-2 was probably the worst thing that could have happened to this team. Bingo. I think the actions of McBean have been pretty consistent, flush out big money or guys who aren't a fit for them, load up on draft picks and start building a sustainable base with cheap young talent. Problem is the 5-2 start, basically built off beating a bunch of teams more screwed up than us who were thought of highly at the time we played them, dramatically shifted fan expectations. Now a 6-10 or 7-9 season looks like a colossal failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I think it is a must this year for off season. A guy higher to Beane and McDermott. No yes man. To keep these guys in check and get rid of coaches not doing there job.. Maybe the biggest need for off season. They report to him then to Pegula's. How I think should be after all of this. What you guys think? I think that is an awful idea. Beane has put together a pretty well regarded staff and has had about 1/10th of a season to do his job with the majority of it coming up here Feb-May. McD is going to work with what he has which isn't a ton. The season started as a mirage and I think he knew it but as fans we didn't. That said anyone could see the LB core was a massive liability and the middle of the defensive line also would need work. If it was the end of year 3 and things were not doing well then sure a Czar like Coughlin in JAX would make sense. But these guys just took the job, the front office/coach is streamlined currently, and you don't have the leaks accusing the each other of things like the last few years so just need to give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Can the Tsar be a Tatar? Oh, yeah sure. Let the Tsar be Tatar or even a Cossack. May as well let a Mongol be Czar while we're at it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Benching Tyrod, trades, Vlad starting, poor defense and offense. Someone that can light a fire on there butts when doing bad.. Over see all football players as well with coach relationships, as well coach relationship with players. Not someone that's a Yes man to everything If that's the logic, the next thing you know we'll be calling for an Emperor over the Czar to keep that guy "in check". You appoint people, and empower them to make decisions. You don't hire other people to second guess those decisions. Otherwise you should have hired the second person instead of the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Thanks everyone just wanted to know others thoughts just a idea to ask. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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