Dareus traded to Jacksonville!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

F5

[Patrick Duffy]

F5

RKO...outta nowhere

[hondo in seattle]

 

@RapSheet

The #Bills had tried for months to trade DT Marcel Dareus. Finally get it done in exchange for a #Jaguars 6th rounder in 2018.

 

 

This tells you everything.

 

It was clear to McD and Beane thought Dareus was a waste of cap space. Probably just a negative influence in general. They wanted him gone.

 

And after months shopping him, the best offer they had was for a 6th. Now we know what the NFL thinks of Marcel.

Edited October 28, 2017 by hondo in seattle

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

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Is this a new poster?

RKO...outta nowhere

on a mobile thats a quick way to blow past 50 plus unread pages.

[Patrick Duffy]

26CopyPaste

Is this a new poster?

on a mobile thats a quick way to blow past 50 plus unread pages.

Oh, well dam. Thought we were getting into wrestling finishing moves.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

I am really tired of this misleading people that we are "saving" money.

 

The Bills pay Dareus's salary.

Dareus leaves.

The Bills have to still pay a portion of Dareus's salary, but no Dareus.

 

The portion of what people are calling "savings" is the difference between what we *were* paying him, and what we *still* have to pay him.

 

So to sum it up, we are in fact spending millions on nothing but being glad we didn't spend a bit more on Dareus.

 

Why do you think the Bills "still have to pay a portion of Dareus salary"? Players are paid by the game during the season. Normally, the remaining salary becomes the responsibility of the trade partner, and I haven't seen anything announced to the contrary with Dareus.

 

If you're thinking of Dareus signing bonus, that was paid when he was signed, but there's a bookkeeping question around what part of it is charged to which year's cap.

My understanding is with a trade close to the deadline, only this year's amortized cap will be charged against us, the rest defers to next year.

[Tenhigh]

We already drafted him this year!

 

-SaviorPeterman

Yuck. Don't do his trolling for him....

[The Wiz]

Yuck. Don't do his trolling for him....

it was coming so I took it from him. Now he can't. The only way to kill a troll, is to take his ability to troll away.

[leonbus23]

Although he was a high pick and expensive, still good to see him gone.

[The Dean]

The 14.5 m hit next year will be mitigated by the 8.5m cap roll over from 2017.

 

So if we do the math its 14.5 - 8.5= 6m in dead cap for next year.

 

 

 

 

Are you certain that's what happens to this year's cap savings? I asked this question earlier, and didn't get any response. I'm no cap expert, but I thought you had to make some sort of arrangement to roll over unused cap from one year to the next. But I could very well be mistaken.

 

I can only assume that Dareus was a serious cancer in the locker room.

 

 

Agreed, you can only assume, because I've seen/heard no evidence of that---just fans concluding it. I tell you what, if he was a "cancer" it doesn't seem to have metastasized.

[Chuck Schick]

Thats my fear. I like a lot of what is happening on the field. I believe in McDermott as a coach. I have some real questions about the way that the roster has been managed. Its a balance between talent and character. You cant abandon one or the other. You need both.

You 2 guys are really missing the big picture. Just because there's some name recognition and (fairly distant) past success with a player doesn't mean crap in today's NFL. Beane or any other GM is not going to make a move like this unless there is clear value to the team, even if we don't exactly know what that value is.

We spent years trying to get the big name guys (Bledsoe, TO, Mario) and that formula just doesn't work.

[The Dean]

You 2 guys are really missing the big picture. Just because there's some name recognition and (fairly distant) past success with a player doesn't mean crap in today's NFL. Beane or any other GM is not going to make a move like this unless there is clear value to the team, even if we don't exactly know what that value is.

We spent years trying to get the big name guys (Bledsoe, TO, Mario) and that formula just doesn't work.

 

 

Chip Kelly says to say, "Hello."

[John from Riverside]

it was coming so I took it from him. Now he can't. The only way to kill a troll, is to take his ability to troll away.

They don't die till you cut off the head and burn the body (not that I am condoning that)

[Buffalo86]

It's as if Doug Whaley never existed. Love it!

[26CornerBlitz]

How long are you going to live in the past?

 

Onward and upward my friend

I agree with this

 

There are people that are upset that we lose Marcel and his "anchor" ability from this DL.......

 

You don't pay a guy 100 million dollars to do that....there is no shortage in the league of guys that can do that job. You pay a DT 100 million dollars because they have the ability to take on double teams.....still win....and put pressure on the passer.

 

Guys....marcel was not doing that.....I have said it before.....Worthy provides you the exact same production that Marcel was giving us.

 

I honestly wish it wasn't true....i really expected a Marcel resurgence this year with the change in scheme......it just didn't happen.

 

We'll see how stout the remaining 4 DTs are beginning tomorrow against the OAK OL.

[John from Riverside]

 

 

Are you certain that's what happens to this year's cap savings? I asked this question earlier, and didn't get any response. I'm no cap expert, but I thought you had to make some sort of arrangement to roll over unused cap from one year to the next. But I could very well be mistaken.

 

 

 

Agreed, you can only assume, because I've seen/heard no evidence of that---just fans concluding it. I tell you what, if he was a "cancer" it doesn't seem to have metastasized.

I am wondering if it was not so much "he was a cancer" as it was the whole DNA/buy in thing

 

One theme about this team that seems to be really evident is everyone needs to be about the team first/themselves second......and a 100 million dollar oft hurt/often in trouble/not vastly outproducing guys behind him guy like Marcel just didn't seem to be for long with this group.

 

There is something special about this team......even when we don't win we are in every game....they don't appear to be beating themselves.....there is a culture change happening here

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I love this front office, purging Whaley is almost complete.

 

One might just consider that "purging Whaley" (or purging Whaley acquisitions) is not a desirable end unto itself.

[oldmanfan]

 

One might just consider that "purging Whaley" (or purging Whaley acquisitions) is not a desirable end unto itself.

Well. Sammy isn't doing much in LA. Gilmore isn't doing much in NE. Trend might continue with Dareus.

[Buffalo86]

Dareus wasn't buying into a D that's 4th in points allowed per game. That tells you all you need to know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Dean]

Dareus wasn't buying into a D that's 4th in points allowed per game. That tells you all you need to know.

 

 

 

 

 

Just curious. Where do you get this stuff? What is your evidence he wasn't "buying in"?

[The Wiz]

They don't die till you cut off the head and burn the body (not that I am condoning that)

I got nothing better to do.

[BringBackFergy]

Anyone know a really good dry rub for ribs?

[The Wiz]

Anyone know a really good dry rub for ribs?

any particular flavor?

[BringBackFergy]

any particular flavor?

I use some paprika, garlic powder, onion, brown sugar, a little seasoned salt. Any other recommendations?

[The Wiz]

I use some paprika, garlic powder, onion, brown sugar, a little seasoned salt. Any other recommendations?

maybe some chili powder or Cayenne for a little more kick if you like it spicy.

 

Also never underestimate some herbs. Cumin, thyme and rosemary can be added as well but recommend experimenting before trying them on a full rack. Start with something like chicken breast.

Edited October 28, 2017 by The Wiz

[Bill_with_it]

It's as if Doug Whaley never existed. Love it!

Dilly dilly

 

We'll see how stout the remaining 4 DTs are beginning tomorrow against the OAK OL.

Why cant we use the past 2/3 of the 6 games that Marcel has failed to play defensively? Why does it have to be based off of one game to which he would have only seen 1/3 of defensive snaps?

I smell agenda...

[Buffalo86]

 

Just curious. Where do you get this stuff? What is your evidence he wasn't "buying in"?

 

I hate to reveal my sources, but google Marcell Dareus and see how many times you find mention of a lack of discipline, commitment, urgency, etc. "Buying in" can mean different things to different people, but I think McDermott spelled it out pretty clearly here:

 

"At times. I'm going to be very honest about it -- at times. At other times, not really," McDermott told Pelissero about seeing urgency out of Dareus. "This bus is moving and at the end of this year, we're going to have a pretty good feel for who's on the bus and who's not, and everyone knows that, I would hope. So, I would hope they've seen that from the moves we've made and the direction we're heading, the mindset we're embracing and the devoted mindset you need to have to win in this league. We're going in a certain direction for a certain reason, and we play and do things with a purpose. People that have that common purpose and want to share that common purpose, they'll be here."

 

[The Dean]

 

I hate to reveal my sources, but google Marcell Dareus and see how many times you find mention of a lack of discipline, commitment, urgency, etc. "Buying in" can mean different things to different people, but I think McDermott spelled it out pretty clearly here:

 

"At times. I'm going to be very honest about it -- at times. At other times, not really," McDermott told Pelissero about seeing urgency out of Dareus. "This bus is moving and at the end of this year, we're going to have a pretty good feel for who's on the bus and who's not, and everyone knows that, I would hope. So, I would hope they've seen that from the moves we've made and the direction we're heading, the mindset we're embracing and the devoted mindset you need to have to win in this league. We're going in a certain direction for a certain reason, and we play and do things with a purpose. People that have that common purpose and want to share that common purpose, they'll be here."

 

 

 

I'd say "nothing to see here" in terms of evidence that Marcel hasn't "bought into" the program, or is a "cancer" in the locker room. I know Googling it will get lots of results, but no real evidence, except rumor. Beane also just said, "... "I give Marcell a lot of credit. I thought he made huge strides of late..." , so there's that.

 

I'm not arguing he WAS buying in. I just think, before we simply echo things that are in the ether, but unsubstantiated, we give them a proper vetting . But I guess that is far too much to expect from mooks posting on a sports (or political) Internet forum. (And, I suppose I qualify as one of those "mooks".)

[Peter]

 

Just curious. Where do you get this stuff? What is your evidence he wasn't "buying in"?

 

Very good question.

 

One thing I am not buying into is a process that results in trading someone who is a difference maker for a 6th round pick whether that guy is "buying in" or not.

 

Let's put this all in perspective. Before the compensation was known, take a look at what the expectation was for what we would receive by re-reading the 11th post in this string.

 

To argue that a 6th round pick is some kind of huge victory seems laughable. Trading him to Doug Marrone's team for a 6th round pick is depressing.

 

P.S. I wonder if the Steelers will get more than a 6th round pick for Martavis Bryant. That would be really depressing.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Peter

[Kelly the Dog]

They are 4-2. Who here thinks they would be 5-1 or 6-0 if they didn't have Dareus for these six games? So how big a problem could he be if indeed he is one.

 

And yes, I know this is for the future and salary cap reasons.

[Buffalo86]

 

 

I'd say "nothing to see here" in terms of evidence that Marcel hasn't "bought into" the program, or is a "cancer" in the locker room. I know Googling it will get lots of results, but no real evidence, except rumor. Beane also just said, "... "I give Marcell a lot of credit. I thought he made huge strides of late..." , so there's that.

 

I'm not arguing he WAS buying in. I just think, before we simply echo things that are in the ether, but unsubstantiated, we give them a proper vetting . But I guess that is far too much to expect from mooks posting on a sports (or political) Internet forum. (And, I suppose I qualify as one of those "mooks".)

 

The statement from his own HC is evidence enough for me. They also said things like "He's not a bad guy," and "now he'll get a fresh start." Teams shouldn't feel the need to say things like that about their highest paid player. I wouldn't be surprised if Dareus says something in the next week or so to remove all doubt.

[papazoid]

good riddance.

 

yes it hurts big time in the short term carrying all that dead money.

 

but his attitude was cancerous. habitual late for meetings, suspensions, out of shape injuries, kicked off team/sent home.

 

it was a salary dump plain and simple

[flmike]

Just seeing this. At first I was shocked by only a 6th rounder for the 3rd overall pick in his year. Now that I think about it, that 6th rounder can be packaged with a higher round pick to move WAY up. I like this, especially with the cap space freed up.

[MAJBobby]

The same

Really the same? So you know that the other DTs can pick up his snaps counts and with no falloff. And what happens when one goes down

[Alphadawg7]

Here is the bottom line: Doesn't matter if you like the trade, or hate the trade. The compensation received for a player of the caliber and age of Dareus is one of the most lopsided trades ever. People can chime in all they want about cap space saved, but you still save the same cap space if we trade him for more or better draft picks.

 

And in terms of this year, we are a team with the longest playoff drought in the NFL and sitting on a 4-2 record. We have some talented QB's ahead of us on our schedule and future cap space and a future 6th round pick isn't going to help us beat those QB's and teams, but Dareus would have. Yes its been a slow start with him being in the dog house and then not being healthy. But he had a good game last week and looked to be back on track moving forward.

 

So if all we got was a measly 6th round pick, we SHOULD HAVE waited until the offseason where we could have gotten the same 6th round pick or most likely better if Dareus stayed on the field the rest the season. I have no issue trading, just a BIG issue with the measly compensation not making it worth doing now vs the offseason.

[MAJBobby]

 

I would say Coleman...he wants to be here,he wants to learn and he wants to get better.

So Coleman a guy cut multiple times brings you more on Dareus cap hot this year than Dareus does lol

[K-9]

Dareus had a good final five minutes last week. He sucked the rest of the game. Especially when it came to getting off the ball quick and providing pressure on passing downs. He was content with playing paddy cake with the OLmen otherwise.

[BringBackFergy]

Dareus had a good final five minutes last week. He sucked the rest of the game. Especially when it came to getting off the ball quick and providing pressure on passing downs. He was content with playing paddy cake with the OLmen otherwise.

But he took up space and had two blockers on him!!!! Thats all he needs to do in this system and he did it well!!!

 

(Thats the argument I keep hearing so I propose we sign a 7ft x 5ft stack of phone books and just leave it sitting in the moddle of the D line. That would take up space)

[K-9]

But he took up space and had two blockers on him!!!! Thats all he needs to do in this system and he did it well!!!

 

(Thats the argument I keep hearing so I propose we sign a 7ft x 5ft stack of phone books and just leave it sitting in the moddle of the D line. That would take up space)

Like I asked earlier today, are any of those touting Dareus' importance because he takes on double teams the same people who bitched incessantly about him having to do that in Ryan's scheme at times?

[SoCal Deek]

I can only imagine how much of a total LOSER Marcel must've been in the locker room and around the building for the organization to want him out of there this bad. Good riddance.