SectionC3 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Would you rather pay Dareus $15 million, or no one $10 million? No one $10m, and a couple of guys who want to be here the balance. It's a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â It's a 6th that could be a 5th. Time to hope that they win out and put a hurt on some wildcard teams on their way to the division. If its a 5th and its because they got the last wildcard and we are outside looking in... thatd hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm just wondering about the timing. Bills unexpectedly are in the playoff mix (it is very early). Dareus has underperformed, has an onerous contract and off field issues. But on the field, even if underperforming, he has helped give the Bills a strong front seven. I figured he'd be gone after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Now if the jags trade for a qb they might actually have a shot at being someone. Yeah! All because of Dareus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Time to hope that they win out and put a hurt on some wildcard teams on their way to the division. If its a 5th and its because they got the last wildcard and we are outside looking in... thatd hurt. Â If he helps them shore up their run defense to go along with their pass rush and coverage excellence, look out. Edited October 28, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â @AdamSchefter In exchange for Marcell Dareus, Buffalo is receiving 2018 sixth-round pick that can go to fifth-round pick based on performance, per source. Â guess it'll be a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â Would you rather pay Dareus $15 million, or no one $10 million? Well its more like pay no one 10 million for one year or pay Dareus who was playing like JAG 45 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 guess it'll be a 6th  Don't be so sure with them in the AFC South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Third overall pick being traded for a 6th round pick?! I get Dareus has a big contract, but that's just giving him away for free. Terrible move! I'm fairly certain that the fact he was 3rd overall has no factor in this. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 guess it'll be a 6th It was said to be him being on the roster and them making the playoffs.... Â Don't be so sure with them in the AFC South. Dude likely pictured it on sacks not playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blogic2 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â It's a 6th that could be a 5th. Sounds better... they originally just said 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Having an unmotivated, underperforming malcontent, especially when he's the highest paid player on the team, can be detrimental to team chemistry and morale. Â My guess is they determined his performance on the field did not outweigh the negative effect of his presence. He wasn't exactly killing it out there. Â This also sends a message that no one is bigger than the team. Edited October 28, 2017 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just got home from work. Glad we traded him. If Kyle retires he would be completely useless next season. Seems like Kyle is the only thing he plays for. Good player when right. Never right. Peace. Â I looked through a couple pages of the thread and didn't see the answer to what I was wondering, so I'll ask. What's the cap hit next season? I thought there was a cap hit if traded. Or was it just a huge hit if we cut him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Wait      Wait           Wait      Are we back to tanking now? Clearly the tank is on If he were a regular contributor I might agree.  rest easy - he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Beane is the new Santa in NFL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I wanted to believe Marcel was hurt and would get better. It appeared he was starting to make some plays in the Tampa Game. I was hoping winning would help him buy in. McDermott and Beane must of seen enough. Time will tell. I wish Marcel the best just not when he plays the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) As kirby points out though - is Tanner Vallejo and... Andre Holmes(? Or dimarco? Or groy though a little high on the price comps) better for this team than even mediocre dareus?  Whatd be really Billsy is if we end up signing a mediocre vet DT to replace him and that guy costs us a comp pick one day. Itd be like a TBD perfect storm. It probably comes down to how much you think culture plays a role. If you don't believe in that kind of thing, I can see the trade being hard to accept. If anybody cares about leadership theory, many books - 21 Irrefutable Rules of Leadership, Decisive, The Effective Executive are a few I can think of - all have a theme about how members of a team know first who isn't a good team member, and the longer you wait to address it the more credibility you lose as a leader. Now this is for the business world, but I think it still applies. People know when someone isn't pulling their weight, and if you're complicit it's noticed.  Some people might think that's crap or not applicable to pro sports. If you believe it though, and given what BB has preached I assume he does, then this is the right move. Edited October 28, 2017 by disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Im not against getting rid of Dareus. You either had to get good value or keep him through next year. The Bills didnt do that. Those were your 2 options. Your assumption they'd have gotten more later is erroneous one must assume. Or they would have done so. Â People in the league see what goes on with players. Got what they could for a guy that doesn't seem interested in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The re-build begins next year, we should start thinking about the playoffs in year 22 of the drought. Â GO BILLS ... 2022 or bust. Â Expect Cordy gone by lunch on Tuesday. I get the sentiment, but that's way too pessimistic. 2019 baby! All the bad contracts will be out of the way, decent drafts (these guys do seem to know what they're doing) will start to accumulate a good talent reserve, and somewhere that elusive QB of the future will be found, even if it isn't a true franchise guy (think: Andy Dalton, the pre-2016 Alex Smith, etc., etc.). I'm starting to tend toward clearing the cap room = making a big play for Garoppolo or Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It was said to be him being on the roster and them making the playoffs.... Â Dude likely pictured it on sacks not playoffs I did have it as personal performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I loved Dareus when he was in his 3rd year. He caught Haynesworthitis. I doubt we hear alot about Marcell over the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It probably comes down to how much you think culture plays a role. If you don't believe in that kind of thing, I can see the trade being hard to accept. Â If anybody cares about leadership theory, many books - 21 Irrefutable Rules of Leadership, Decisive, The Effective Executive are a few I can think of - all have a theme about how members of a team know first who isn't a good team member, and the longer you wait to address it the more credibility you lose as a leader. Now this is for the business world, but I think it still applies. People know when someone isn't pulling their weight, and if you're complicit it's noticed. Â Some people might think that's crap or not applicable to pro sports. If you believe it though, and given what BB has preached I assume he does, then this is the right move. Who sez disco is dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @joebuscaglia #Bills GM Beane to me in August: Yeah, any player that's not buying in, we'll find a way to move on without him. Â I don't understand why this very simple, basic line of reasoning is lost on so many people. Â This is a perfect example of addition by subtraction. Â It may hurt the team a little now, but the foundation of players moving toward a common goal just got much stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 dareus will probably go celebrate tonight and get in trouble I’d rather he celebrate passing the physical. THEN he can celebrate all he wants! But don’t blow our chance at a 5th rounder until after the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Who sez disco is dead? Â Talk to the Gibb brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Like Many, I have to say I'm really disappointed at what Buffalo got in return. Beane had better be right about the way he's rebuilding this team, or he's going to be facing the music in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 dareus will probably go celebrate tonight and get in trouble  Sounds like that would please you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 God help us if this team loses Sunday. I can already see the board flooded with Tyrod sucks and its all because we traded Dareus posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017  I don't understand why this very simple, basic line of reasoning is lost on so many people.  This is a perfect example of addition by subtraction.  It may hurt the team a little now, but the foundation of players moving toward a common goal just got much stronger. As much as I hate it, I think I’m in the same boat. I know how much he COULD mean to a team, but he just hasn’t shown a willingness to do what it takes. How long do you just let that slide? What does it say to the rest of the team? I’m sure some are probably pissed that an extreme talent (and their friend) got moved, but DO YOUR JOB! You can be set for life with a few years of doing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â I don't understand why this very simple, basic line of reasoning is lost on so many people. Â This is a perfect example of addition by subtraction. Â It may hurt the team a little now, but the foundation of players moving toward a common goal just got much stronger. Youd think they would have learned after the Sammy and Darby trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @JohnKryk My analysis of #Bills trading long-troubled DT Marcell Dareus to Tom Coughlin's (?!) Jacksonville #Jaguars: http://torontosun.com/sports/football/bills-pull-off-another-blockbuster-deal-dareus-to-jaguars  The prototypical Tom Coughlin NFL player thrives in a culture of discipline, is accountable, gives maximum effort at all times, doesn’t sulk, and isn’t a chronic screwup off the field.  To be nice, let’s just say Marcell Dareus doesn’t exactly qualify across the board.  Yet Friday night, in the latest bombshell move transacted by the new Buffalo Bills regime, Dareus became a Jacksonville Jaguar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @JohnKryk My analysis of #Bills trading long-troubled DT Marcell Dareus to Tom Coughlin's (?!) Jacksonville #Jaguars: http://torontosun.com/sports/football/bills-pull-off-another-blockbuster-deal-dareus-to-jaguars  That’s an interesting angle I hadn’t thought of..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just wondering if anyone heard Jordan Matthews on Sirius NFL this morning? Â If you did, and really heard what he had to say about the team and the locker rooom, youd not be a bit surprised by this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Â Talk to the Gibb brothers. Polyester and bell bottoms are cool for the uncool. Â Â Â Edited October 28, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Youd think they would have learned after the Sammy and Darby trades. Â Learned what? That EJ Gaines can't stay on the field with 2 missed games to go along with two DNFs. Jordan Matthews has also has a missed game along with a DNF. Meanwhile the Rams and Eagles lead their respective divisions at 6-1 and 5-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Your assumption they'd have gotten more later is erroneous one must assume. Or they would have done so. Â People in the league see what goes on with players. Got what they could for a guy that doesn't seem interested in football. It has nothing to do with what they would have gotten and everything to do with the cost associated with getting rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 That’s an interesting angle I hadn’t thought of.....  It's the 1st thing I thought of that I posted in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Good riddance... Dareus is a gifted physical athlete missing the motivation to excell... More trouble than he is worth... He is a loser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Â Learned what? That EJ Gaines can't stay on the field with 2 missed games to go along with two DNFs. Jordan Matthews has also has a missed game along with a DNF. Meanwhile the Rams and Eagles lead their respective divisions at 6-1 and 5-2. Â Not to mention if Sammy Watkins is doing nothing for the Rams as so many people love to say then what is Jordan Matthews doing for the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Yep, been expecting this and thank goodness. Chances are we won't hear much about Dareus from now on. BUF sure gave him his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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