WIDE LEFT Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Our 2017 draft class, especially White, is looking strong and is a credit to Whaley, the prime talent evaluator for that draft class. One often overlooked (and brilliant) move was one Whaley pulled off towards the end of 2016. He signs Logan Thomas off Detroit practice squad, and to do so he had to add him to the Bills 53 man roster. All based on potential; the guy had never played tight end. The potential Whaley saw last year payed off big time last Sunday. In the years to come, Thomas will evolve into a pro bowl type tight end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 He was also one the first gms that was fond of Wentz. Wentz even said that the Bills had scouted him far longer and harder than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 this should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 He was also one the first gms that was fond of Wentz. Wentz even said that the Bills had scouted him far longer and harder than anyone else. Â Yea the BLESTO people screwed us. He was on very few team radars until that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley had a few good picks the same way a broken clock can have the correct time twice a day. The fact that most of the people he brought in are no longer on the team is a sign that he wasn't the best GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 whaley is/was mediocre on his best day......and his legacy is getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley had a few good picks the same way a broken clock can have the correct time twice a day. The fact that most of the people he brought in are no longer on the team is a sign that he wasn't the best GM. Many of those Whaley guys who are not on the team are starting for other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 forgotten already in that maelstrom of 17 years of a swirly down the drain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley did a good job assembling talent. I think there were some errors in contracts (specifically no out in Dareus' for suspension). In general though Whaley wasn't the problem. He worked with Rex Ryan; that's a death sentence for any GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Logan Thomas has caught 2 passes for 25 yd and 1 td and you are ready to declare him evolving into an all pro? Â I say SO far, the 2017 draft looks extremely good but if Mahommes turns into a franchise QB i think it would be fair to say he failed. Edited October 24, 2017 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley did a good job assembling talent. I think there were some errors in contracts (specifically no out in Dareus' for suspension). In general though Whaley wasn't the problem. He worked with Rex Ryan; that's a death sentence for any GM.Exactly. Also don't confuse bad players with players who get swept out by a new regime. Â Don't forget a lot of Whaley's decisions were shaped by the two fat f@##s coaching the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Exactly. Also don't confuse bad players with players who get swept out by a new regime. Â Don't forget a lot of Whaley's decisions were shaped by the two fat f@##s coaching the Bills. Exactly. Whaley did his best to give Rex and before him Marone the players they wanted. The same thing Beane is doing now for McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley had some really bad drafts, signed players to some really bad contract and didn't understand restricted free agents, but he was a really good pro scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 whaley is/was mediocre on his best day......and his legacy is getting worse. How can you say this. Whaley was the best GM ever. Only a hateful hater with an agenda like yourself would think otherwise.  Sincerely  The koolaid crowd Many of those Whaley guys who are not on the team are starting for other teams. And those players are whom exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley did a good job assembling talent. I think there were some errors in contracts (specifically no out in Dareus' for suspension). In general though Whaley wasn't the problem. He worked with Rex Ryan; that's a death sentence for any GM. This! ^^^^ Exactly. Also don't confuse bad players with players who get swept out by a new regime. Â Don't forget a lot of Whaley's decisions were shaped by the two fat f@##s coaching the Bills. And this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) How can you say this. Whaley was the best GM ever. Only a hateful hater with an agenda like yourself would think otherwise.  Sincerely  The koolaid crowd  And those players are whom exactly? Hopkins, Goodwin, Kiko, Woods, Cockrell, Watkins, Darby, and Seymour plays a lot. Additionally, he was heavily involved with Gilmore, Bradham and Carder who are all starting elsewhere. Those are the drafts between 2012-2016. There are a bunch of guys, obviously, still playing on the Bills too. Edited October 24, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 And those players are whom exactly?  So from Whaley's drafts (2014-2016 - 2013 is hard to know how much Whaley how much Buddy... it would actually help Whaley's count to include because Hopkins and Woods are starters elsewhere with EJ and Goodwin as depth and 2017 was McDermott's draft.  Starters for the Bills: Preston Brown Shaq Lawson  Depth on the Bills: Seantrel Henderson John Miller Nick O'Leary Adolphus Washington  Starters elsewhere: Sammy Watkins Ronald Darby  Depth elsewhere: Ross Cockrell Kevon Seymour Reggie Ragland Cardale Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 How can you say this. Whaley was the best GM ever. Only a hateful hater with an agenda like yourself would think otherwise.  Sincerely  The koolaid crowd  And those players are whom exactly?  That's true, the greatest ever, nobody even comes a distant second to Whaley's achievements. The Rooney family were too afraid to hire him because it would make the Steelers success from the 70s until Whaley's hiring in the 2000s look like a tag-day sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Â So from Whaley's drafts (2014-2016 - 2013 is hard to know how much Whaley how much Buddy... it would actually help Whaley's count to include because Hopkins and Woods are starters elsewhere with EJ and Goodwin as depth and 2017 was McDermott's draft. Â Â Bullcrap. They KEPT Whaley till AFTER the draft. EVERYONE in the NFL thought that was the most unusual firing. There's only ONE REASON for this move - they respected his talent evaluation. Your logic does not even begin to hold. 2017 draft is Whaley's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley's issue was never talent scouting - he's a good scout (except, arguably, at QB). His issue is that he couldn't rise above talent scouting to team-building. THIS IS NOT DISPUTABLE LET'S MOVE ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Â That's true, the greatest ever, nobody even comes a distant second to Whaley's achievements. Â The Rooney family were too afraid to hire him because it would make the Steelers success from the 70s until Whaley's hiring in the 2000s look like a tag-day sale. FWIW, the Rooney family and Kevin Colbert have a very high opinion of Whaley. He can go back there at any point. The only concern is his partying. In terms of football though, they love him.Whaley's issue was never talent scouting - he's a good scout (except, arguably, at QB). His issue is that he couldn't rise above talent scouting to team-building. THIS IS NOT DISPUTABLE LET'S MOVE ON.This is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Â Bullcrap. They KEPT Whaley till AFTER the draft. EVERYONE in the NFL thought that was the most unusual firing. There's only ONE REASON for this move - they respected his talent evaluation. Your logic does not even begin to hold. 2017 draft is Whaley's work. Â Actually I think you are going to see that become the regular time to fire a GM. They respected Whaley's ability to evaluate and put a board together. He did that and he negotiated the trade with KC. The picks were McDermott. Whaley's issue was never talent scouting - he's a good scout (except, arguably, at QB). His issue is that he couldn't rise above talent scouting to team-building. THIS IS NOT DISPUTABLE LET'S MOVE ON. Â I also think this is fair, though the changing of Head Coaches and flip flopping of schemes didn't help his team building efforts either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Â Bullcrap. They KEPT Whaley till AFTER the draft. EVERYONE in the NFL thought that was the most unusual firing. There's only ONE REASON for this move - they respected his talent evaluation. Your logic does not even begin to hold. 2017 draft is Whaley's work. You don't fire your GM and let your draft board walk to another team before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley paid zero attention to what's in between the ears of players and that is a major mistake. If you need proof of that just continue watching the Bills and following Sammy and Gilmore. Â Will Gilmore ever be taking out of concussion protocol? Is he now behind ST Bademoise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Standing idly by while Brandon and Pegula hired Rex is his big mistake. He should have been kicking and screaming for another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Â Bullcrap. They KEPT Whaley till AFTER the draft. EVERYONE in the NFL thought that was the most unusual firing. There's only ONE REASON for this move - they respected his talent evaluation. Your logic does not even begin to hold. 2017 draft is Whaley's work. 2017 draft was McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley did a good job assembling talent. I think there were some errors in contracts (specifically no out in Dareus' for suspension). In general though Whaley wasn't the problem. He worked with Rex Ryan; that's a death sentence for any GM. Agreed. Although I did not agree with his QB philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley did a good job assembling talent. I think there were some errors in contracts (specifically no out in Dareus' for suspension). In general though Whaley wasn't the problem. He worked with Rex Ryan; that's a death sentence for any GM. ...this  Exactly. Also don't confuse bad players with players who get swept out by a new regime. Don't forget a lot of Whaley's decisions were shaped by the two fat f@##s coaching the Bills. ...and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley had a few good picks the same way a broken clock can have the correct time twice a day. The fact that most of the people he brought in are no longer on the team is a sign that he wasn't the best GM. Highly specious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The Watkins trade is about all you need to know about Whaley. He was in way over his head as a General Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The Watkins trade is about all you need to know about Whaley. He was in way over his head as a General Manager. Which trade involving Watkins? Draft day or this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thought Whaley was one of our better GMs. He found players on the street and was creative with trades. His downfall was the coaching changes. If the rookie owners stayed out of it he might have had a chance. He was also drafting for a different scheme every two years and that is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Logan Thomas has caught 2 passes for 25 yd and 1 td and you are ready to declare him evolving into an all pro? Â I say SO far, the 2017 draft looks extremely good but if Mahommes turns into a franchise QB i think it would be fair to say he failed. Â Well, Watson already has it seems and he was sitting there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Which trade involving Watkins? Draft day or this year? Draft day, so many reasons why that trade was horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1. You couldnt fire him before the draft because he knows your draft board and what players they were scouting. Â 2. There is no way, no way that McD didn't run that draft room. Â 3. The Bills firing Whaley after the draft is the perfect time to fire him. He was probably used more like a scout in his final months leading up to the draft. Â 4. I wanted Whaley fired 3 years ago, worst GM ever. I don't see other teams calling him for GM openings, the guy is a solid scout for defensive players but was absolutely the worst GM at evaluating QB and offensive players in general. Â Someone could make a pretty good list of QB's Failey passed on, 3 big names that come to mind are Cousins, Wilson, Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 "Players and winning" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Aside from finding a QB, putting together a coherent team-building strategy, his relationships with HC's, and handing out bad contracts, he was a fine GM. Â Unfortunately he got fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Whaley's issue was never talent scouting - he's a good scout (except, arguably, at QB). His issue is that he couldn't rise above talent scouting to team-building. THIS IS NOT DISPUTABLE LET'S MOVE ON. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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