Hughes doesn't get why Jim Kelly is on the field in 2017

[BringBackOrton]

Untrue. But if they were to make a movie, jmc12290 would be "Dumber."

Prove it.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

and this guy matters more than 10000000 others speaking out against it, obviously

 

 

don't they all matter...?

[boyst]

 

 

don't they all matter...?

yes, let's give them all a participation trophy.

 

Hell, no! No, they don't matter one little bit.

[Mickey]

SCOTUS wrote that when it was written it was defined as a must in their belief but could not define the intention of the word only the definition.

 

I was reading on it last week

this Winter, America's favorite hot headed defensive end pairs with an everyday guy to have a simple conversation about life. America, get ready, because you're about to laugh as these two go at it in the funniest film in decades "Dumb & Dumber.". Rated NC17 for gratuitous nudity and explicit love making.

Forsooth! Linguistic history aside, thou knowest well the law as it this day stands instructs all men to the use of "shall" when one tasks to giveth advice and "will" when one tasks to giveth commands. 'Swounds man, cease this philological pettifoggery and to thy senses be called or failing in this, be called at last to the point. If thou wouldst bow would thy not bow though all the world taketh offense? Woulds thou brook others to instruct thee when to bow and when to stand and when to kneel? As would you, so would these men. As you would not, so would not these men.

[boyst]

Forsooth! Linguistic history aside, thou knowest well the law as it this day stands instructs all men to the use of "shall" when one tasks to giveth advice and "will" when one tasks to giveth commands. 'Swounds man, cease this philological pettifoggery and to thy senses be called or failing in this, be called at last to the point. If thou wouldst bow would thy not bow though all the world taketh offense? Woulds thou brook others to instruct thee when to bow and when to stand and when to kneel? As would you, so would these men. As you would not, so would not these men.

i can't even reply to this. That was funny.

[hondo in seattle]

Each side claims to be more patriotic than the other.

 

One side asks, "Don't real patriots stand to honor the ideal of America as well as our veterans?" The other side responds, "Don't real patriots respect the Constitution and the first amendment?"

 

It all sadly reminds me of the forewarnings we've received from some smart folks in the past. Washington in one of his farewell address warned us of the dangers of partisanship and reminded us of the power of unity and common ground.

 

Thomas Jefferson once said, "Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy."

 

Lincoln warned us about a "house divided."

 

Teddy Roosevelt warned us against "parochial patriotism." He also warned us that "It is of little use for us to pay lip-loyalty to the might men of the past" unless we also endeavor to practice their qualities. In other words, when Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln preach peace, friendship and unity, we should pay attention.

 

It seems to me, the hostility in the debate spits on the faces of the great presidents enshrined on Mount Rushmore who hoped we'd behave differently.

 

If we have to resort to binary thinking, here's how I would break it down:

 

Bad: Hatred, divisiveness, disunity, ad hominem attacks.

 

Good: Love, understanding, unity, expressions of brotherhood and sisterhood.

[Gugny]

As a lawyer with 29 years of experience, I think that I can shed some light on the vast, endless complexities involved in defining, in "legal speak" how the word "should" is defined so let me help: "should" means "should" and does not mean "must".

 

The Supreme Court has held that the word "shall", in a statute means "may". The Federal Register instructs that "must" is the only word that, in a statute, creates a legal obligation. The word "should" is never used in statutes precisely because laws are concerned with mandatory actions or omissions, things you must do or that you must not do.

 

It is important to note that many states have First Amendment protections which extend to and include the workplace. Further, the players have a collective bargaining agreement with the NFL and, along with individual contracts, it is the primary if not the exclusive source of the obligations of players and owners.

 

You're so fine, you blow my mind.

 

Thank you.

[RyanC883]

I think the team wants to move past the 90s stars being the face of the franchise

 

for that to happen, the team needs to become relevant again and make the playoffs. Perhaps that's your answer, Jerry!

Does Brett Favre parade himself on the Packers sidelines or Joe Montana show up every game for the 49ers or Dan Marino in Miami? No, say what you want but Jerry has a legitimate beef. I get Kelly's a team ambassador but to me he's nothing more than a glorified fan and don't think he should be on the sidelines either.

 

The Packers are a relevant team. The 49ers had success post Montana. Same with the Dolphins. That's why the 90's Bills are still relevant.

[Mellow1]

 

I think that's horsesh** myself.

 

Kelly had more success as a football player. He also arguably lost the team 4 straight superbowls with his partying and playing hung over - he pretty much acknowledges that in his book.

He sucked as a husband and father until he found God and says he reformed. He has more football accomplishments to date but blanket unqualified "deserves way more respect" than 5 other men combined, as men I think McDermott and Tyrod to date deserve more respect for how they comport themselves.

 

"Has more fame" or "has more football accomplishments" doesn't equate to "deserves more respect" in my book. Your mileage may vary.

 

Well stated!!!!

 

Worth recalling that Jim Kelly's ties to Trump predate his time in Buffalo. He was briefly a NJ General before the USFL failed, and Trump reportedly housed Jim's family when he was in NYC for medical treatment.

He was a Houston Gambler because he REFUSED to play for the Bills

[YoloinOhio]

 

for that to happen, the team needs to become relevant again and make the playoffs. Perhaps that's your answer, Jerry!

 

 

The Packers are a relevant team. The 49ers had success post Montana. Same with the Dolphins. That's why the 90's Bills are still relevant.

i don't really think that way, from my perspective. To me, the current players are more relevant. Toward myself as a fan, and for marketing. I'm aware of the success those players that hang around had, from the SBs to the HOF. It's a great accomplishment. But the fact is they never brought a championship to Buffalo. None of them are NFL coaches or FO executives. So, I don't really care what they think about the current team.

 

I'm more engaged with the current coaches than what Marv Levy thinks. I think it's just been too long. It's jmo and I'm not a millennial but I was relatively young in the SB years, enough to barely remember a lot of it. The present team and looking to the future is just more exciting to me. I agree with Hughes, Dareus and others that the legends can be helpful in many ways but in others, they should defer to the current players, coaches, FO. The reality is that there is very little within the Bills org of 2017 that connects back to them anymore. From ownership on down.

 

If the current Bills org cared that much about marketing they would have hung into to Watkins at all costs. I don't think that's the priority. Their priority is to finally build the current/future winner that everyone wants so we don't have to trot out retired players from 30 years ago to rep the team. Again I'm sure (I know) others feel differently.

Edited September 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

He was a Houston Gambler because he REFUSED to play for the Bills

 

I thought he was a Houston Gambler because they backed up a Brinks truck for him and the Bills let them tell him about it while he was sitting at OBD ready to sign

 

My point was, Kelly and Trump go way back, with Kelly signing to play for Trump's team at one point (never did) and more recently Trump providing substantial help to Kelly's family by housing them when they were in NYC for Jim's cancer treatment. So in addition to whatever political views he may hold, Kelly has personal ties and even obligations to Trump.

[Scott7975]

Each side claims to be more patriotic than the other.

 

One side asks, "Don't real patriots stand to honor the ideal of America as well as our veterans?" The other side responds, "Don't real patriots respect the Constitution and the first amendment?"

 

It all sadly reminds me of the forewarnings we've received from some smart folks in the past. Washington in one of his farewell address warned us of the dangers of partisanship and reminded us of the power of unity and common ground.

 

Thomas Jefferson once said, "Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy."

 

Lincoln warned us about a "house divided."

 

Teddy Roosevelt warned us against "parochial patriotism." He also warned us that "It is of little use for us to pay lip-loyalty to the might men of the past" unless we also endeavor to practice their qualities. In other words, when Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln preach peace, friendship and unity, we should pay attention.

 

It seems to me, the hostility in the debate spits on the faces of the great presidents enshrined on Mount Rushmore who hoped we'd behave differently.

 

If we have to resort to binary thinking, here's how I would break it down:

 

Bad: Hatred, divisiveness, disunity, ad hominem attacks.

 

Good: Love, understanding, unity, expressions of brotherhood and sisterhood.

Bad: 01001000 01100001 01110100 01110010 01100101 01100100 00101100 00100000 01100100 01101001 01110110 01101001 01110011 01101001 01110110 01100101 01101110 01100101 01110011 01110011 00101100 00100000 01100100 01101001 01110011 01110101 01101110 01101001 01110100 01111001 00101100 00100000 01100001 01100100 00100000 01101000 01101111 01101101 01101001 01101110 01100101 01101101 11000010 10100000 00100000 01100001 01110100 01110100 01100001 01100011 01101011 01110011 00101110

 

Good:​ 01001100 01101111 01110110 01100101 00101100 00100000 01110101 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 01101001 01101110 01100111 00101100 00100000 01110101 01101110 01101001 01110100 01111001 00101100 00100000 01100101 01111000 01110000 01110010 01100101 01110011 01110011 01101001 01101111 01101110 01110011 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01100010 01110010 01101111 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110011 01101001 01110011 01110100 01100101 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00101110

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Bad: 01001000 01100001 01110100 01110010 01100101 01100100 00101100 00100000 01100100 01101001 01110110 01101001 01110011 01101001 01110110 01100101 01101110 01100101 01110011 01110011 00101100 00100000 01100100 01101001 01110011 01110101 01101110 01101001 01110100 01111001 00101100 00100000 01100001 01100100 00100000 01101000 01101111 01101101 01101001 01101110 01100101 01101101 11000010 10100000 00100000 01100001 01110100 01110100 01100001 01100011 01101011 01110011 00101110

 

Good:​ 01001100 01101111 01110110 01100101 00101100 00100000 01110101 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 01101001 01101110 01100111 00101100 00100000 01110101 01101110 01101001 01110100 01111001 00101100 00100000 01100101 01111000 01110000 01110010 01100101 01110011 01110011 01101001 01101111 01101110 01110011 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01100010 01110010 01101111 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110011 01101001 01110011 01110100 01100101 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00101110

 

Isn't that rather a binary way to look at the situation?

[boyst]

Any of the SJW's here going to speak on this situation as to the liar Michael Bennett's situation?

[Fadingpain]

Oh it's very simple.

The "Stand up" crowd are just a bunch of racists.

 

The kneeler crowd is trying to end racism.

 

That's it; not confusing.

[boyst]

Oh it's very simple.

The "Stand up" crowd are just a bunch of racists.

 

The kneeler crowd is trying to end racism.

 

That's it; not confusing.

no, it's not that simple. By the time you factor out how to cook the ribs the best, Orton being on the wall and why Jack can have a wedding at Costco... This world is such a mess

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Why is it that when Tom Tebow took a knee on the sideline to pray no one gave a cheater ?

[3rdand12]

Forsooth! Linguistic history aside, thou knowest well the law as it this day stands instructs all men to the use of "shall" when one tasks to giveth advice and "will" when one tasks to giveth commands. 'Swounds man, cease this philological pettifoggery and to thy senses be called or failing in this, be called at last to the point. If thou wouldst bow would thy not bow though all the world taketh offense? Woulds thou brook others to instruct thee when to bow and when to stand and when to kneel? As would you, so would these men. As you would not, so would not these men.

I had no idea you legal Eagles were allowed a sense of humor and such .

quite pleasure to have your company round here.

Each side claims to be more patriotic than the other.

 

One side asks, "Don't real patriots stand to honor the ideal of America as well as our veterans?" The other side responds, "Don't real patriots respect the Constitution and the first amendment?"

 

It all sadly reminds me of the forewarnings we've received from some smart folks in the past. Washington in one of his farewell address warned us of the dangers of partisanship and reminded us of the power of unity and common ground.

 

Thomas Jefferson once said, "Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy."

 

Lincoln warned us about a "house divided."

 

Teddy Roosevelt warned us against "parochial patriotism." He also warned us that "It is of little use for us to pay lip-loyalty to the might men of the past" unless we also endeavor to practice their qualities. In other words, when Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln preach peace, friendship and unity, we should pay attention.

 

It seems to me, the hostility in the debate spits on the faces of the great presidents enshrined on Mount Rushmore who hoped we'd behave differently.

 

If we have to resort to binary thinking, here's how I would break it down:

 

Bad: Hatred, divisiveness, disunity, ad hominem attacks.

 

Good: Love, understanding, unity, expressions of brotherhood and sisterhood.

excellent. just excellent

 

You're so fine, you blow my mind.

 

Thank you.

Being all the Gugny you can be

Hey Mickey !

[3rdand12]

no, it's not that simple. By the time you factor out how to cook the ribs the best, Orton being on the wall and why Jack can have a wedding at Costco... This world is such a mess

It needs some work admittedly.

[timtebow15]

Here's what I don't get. The flag stands for all that is right with America. I know someone that just left Japan because the government was interfering/spying on their female workforce. The flag represents the idealism that is the United States and doesn't exist elsewhere. If players want to make a statement against anything why don't they just kneel prior to the anthem and then rise together when it begins. The message is sent but you are not disrespecting the flag which represents millions of service men and women who have fought and died for this country and represents all the things you are preaching about such as equality. If you don't think we are there yet as a country don't complain about the symbol for the idealism that says we should be there complain about the people responsible for not getting us there. Not standing for the flag doesn't serve any purpose other than increasing the divisions among people you say shouldn't exist! You want to be understood but don't want to offer understanding.

 

Hasn't anyone thought to say there must be a better way! Then you have people like the Pittsburgh lineman who served our country apologizing for having his own opinion about the flag and now Jim Kelly? if you think the country has work to do then find a way to actually improve it. Doing something that many people perceive as disrespectful to the country seems to me to be very counter-productive.

Edited October 1, 2017 by timtebow15

[Scott7975]

 

Isn't that rather a binary way to look at the situation?

[Niagara]

you have people like the Pittsburgh lineman who served our country apologizing for having his own opinion about the flag and now Jim Kelly

It is all about provoking white guilt, except that the average white guy in the stands does not feel guilty. He feels mad and disrespected by the black players who he has just paid $100 to see play. Soon the anger morphs into contempt, resentment and ultimately boycott. This supposed teaching moment backfires and only hurts the 70 plus per cent black players who make up the teams. The white owners, the Joneses and Pegulas who support them are most likely just trying to protect their investment. You don't s%$# where you eat, shoot your nose off to spite your face, or kill the golden goose.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Niagara

[bbb]

From Sully's mailbag in today's paper..........I knew what side he'd be on before I read his answer. He's such a punk:

 

Ed Jacobs asks: Your feelings about Kelly on Bills game day sideline?

Sully: I hadn't given it any thought until Jerry Hughes's passionate reaction to Jim's comments about the protest and LeSean McCoy. It makes me suspect the players aren't wild about Kelly hanging around the sideline. It was cute 15 years ago, when he was out there during a big snow game, but maybe it's time he stopped acting like he's one of the boys.

[Kelly the Dog]

From Sully's mailbag in today's paper..........I knew what side he'd be on before I read his answer. He's such a punk:

 

Ed Jacobs asks: Your feelings about Kelly on Bills game day sideline?

Sully: I hadn't given it any thought until Jerry Hughes's passionate reaction to Jim's comments about the protest and LeSean McCoy. It makes me suspect the players aren't wild about Kelly hanging around the sideline. It was cute 15 years ago, when he was out there during a big snow game, but maybe it's time he stopped acting like he's one of the boys.

Its kinda surprising that Sully was unable to find a way to lambaste both sides in this argument. I mean, it was Bills v. Bills.

[Wayne Arnold]

Here's what I don't get. The flag stands for all that is right with America. I know someone that just left Japan because the government was interfering/spying on their female workforce. The flag represents the idealism that is the United States and doesn't exist elsewhere. If players want to make a statement against anything why don't they just kneel prior to the anthem and then rise together when it begins. The message is sent but you are not disrespecting the flag which represents millions of service men and women who have fought and died for this country and represents all the things you are preaching about such as equality. If you don't think we are there yet as a country don't complain about the symbol for the idealism that says we should be there complain about the people responsible for not getting us there. Not standing for the flag doesn't serve any purpose other than increasing the divisions among people you say shouldn't exist! You want to be understood but don't want to offer understanding.

 

Hasn't anyone thought to say there must be a better way! Then you have people like the Pittsburgh lineman who served our country apologizing for having his own opinion about the flag and now Jim Kelly? if you think the country has work to do then find a way to actually improve it. Doing something that many people perceive as disrespectful to the country seems to me to be very counter-productive.

 

Sometimes the country needs a wake up call.

 

There are so many in this country who (a) think there is no more racial equality problem, (b) doesn't care that there is a racial equality problem, or © is glad there is a racial equality problem because it benefits them personally.

 

To me, the flag/anthem represents exactly what you say - the idealism of freedom, liberty and equality and to honor those who stood for them (especially but not excluded to the military). That's why I will always stand.

 

But that flag/anthem doesn't mean the same to everyone. And even if it does, it doesn't prevent one from making a statement in this way when they find it necessary.

It is all about provoking white guilt, except that the average white guy in the stands does not feel guilty. He feels mad and disrespected by the black players who he has just paid $100 to see play. Soon the anger morphs into contempt, resentment and ultimately boycott. This supposed teaching moment backfires and only hurts the 70 plus per cent black players who make up the teams. The white owners, the Joneses and Pegulas who support them are most likely just trying to protect their investment. You don't s%$# where you eat, shoot your nose off to spite your face, or kill the golden goose.

 

Why would the "average white guy in the stands" feel "mad and disrespected" by the black players who are exercising their first amendment right? If they're mad then that's on them.

[YoloinOhio]

Its kinda surprising that Sully was unable to find a way to lambaste both sides in this argument. I mean, it was Bills v. Bills.

[LeGOATski]

Hasn't anyone thought to say there must be a better way! Then you have people like the Pittsburgh lineman who served our country apologizing for having his own opinion about the flag and now Jim Kelly? if you think the country has work to do then find a way to actually improve it. Doing something that many people perceive as disrespectful to the country seems to me to be very counter-productive.

How about people just stop being idiots. That's why they're offended by a simple protest. Because they can't understand the other side's point of view or they're too simple-minded to think outside the box.

 

Villenueva (the Pittsburgh lineman) apologized because he did it the wrong way. Exactly what you're claiming the kneelers are doing. Did you even listen to him explain himself?

 

He simply didn't understand the situation and was also a victim of peer pressure. You know what we did in the military when we heard the national anthem, but couldn't see the flag? We simply turned in the direction of the song and stood at attention. Simple. Logical. That's all Villanueva had to do and he realized that after the fact, so he apologized. He didn't mean to divide his team or contribute to such a stupid, stupid, stupid crusade.

 

People can protest how they want. The flag represents SO many things to all different groups of people. Not just our vets. Or our immigrants. Or our immigrant vets. Our our politicians. Or our minority politicians. Or our young. Or our old.

 

Holy hell. People need to just shut the !@#$ up, unless they have something worthwhile to say.

[12Kachy]

Someone needs to take him on the field, point up to the wall of fame, and walk away.

[BeginnersMind]

Someone needs to take him on the field, point up to the wall of fame, and walk away.

They already worked it out. Kelly apologized. Hughes likes Jim. The end.

[nucci]

Someone needs to take him on the field, point up to the wall of fame, and walk away.

Should everyone on the Wall be on the sidelines?

[Doc Brown]

To me it shows a strong team bond. You mess with one of us you mess with all of us. I think Jimbo would like to take those words back about McCoy if he could.

[YoloinOhio]

Should everyone on the Wall be on the sidelines?

OJ is on his way!

[machine gun kelly]

Doesn't Jim work for the Bills in some capacity? I don't understand why Hughes would call out the most impactful Bill in history.

[nucci]

Doesn't Jim work for the Bills in some capacity? I don't understand why Hughes would call out the most impactful Bill in history.

Because while on the sideline with the team he criticized its star player

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Should everyone on the Wall be on the sidelines?

If they choose to they could.

[26CornerBlitz]

Someone needs to take him on the field, point up to the wall of fame, and walk away.

 

Only after they hold up four ringless fingers.

[4_kidd_4]

 

Only after they hold up four ringless fingers.

Ice. Cold.

 

Love it.

[Niagara]

 

 

Why would the "average white guy in the stands" feel "mad and disrespected" by the black players who are exercising their first amendment right? If they're mad then that's on them.

The average fan doesn't have to have a reason for anything. It is his feelings, and how he feels things are not always logical, but what is true is he can spend his money where ever he wishes. That is the rub.

[Cripple Creek]

Here's what I don't get. The flag stands for all that is right with America. I know someone that just left Japan because the government was interfering/spying on their female workforce. The flag represents the idealism that is the United States and doesn't exist elsewhere. If players want to make a statement against anything why don't they just kneel prior to the anthem and then rise together when it begins. The message is sent but you are not disrespecting the flag which represents millions of service men and women who have fought and died for this country and represents all the things you are preaching about such as equality. If you don't think we are there yet as a country don't complain about the symbol for the idealism that says we should be there complain about the people responsible for not getting us there. Not standing for the flag doesn't serve any purpose other than increasing the divisions among people you say shouldn't exist! You want to be understood but don't want to offer understanding.

 

Hasn't anyone thought to say there must be a better way! Then you have people like the Pittsburgh lineman who served our country apologizing for having his own opinion about the flag and now Jim Kelly? if you think the country has work to do then find a way to actually improve it. Doing something that many people perceive as disrespectful to the country seems to me to be very counter-productive.

where is it written that kneeling for the anthem is a disgraceful, disrespectful act?

 

(the correct answer is in your own mind)

[Niagara]

Trump called John McCain a 'loser'. I bet you have no problem with Trump disrespecting a POW.

John McCain has a long history. There is McCain the POW, McCain the callous husband ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html),and the "straight talk express" politician who was for the repeal of Obama care before he was against it.

where is it written that kneeling for the anthem is a disgraceful, disrespectful act?

 

(the correct answer is in your own mind)

You are correct in that it is not written anywhere, but the fact that it is in a majority of American's minds is powerful enough to badly hurt the NFL.